Help Date & Identify This Painting
Dan Johnson
almost nothing. It is in the style of the old masters but is unsigned.
Follow this link for a page I made containing photographs of the painting:
http://www.zoomnet.net/~blent62/painting.html
Any help would be appreciated!
Dan
Kat
Just venturing a guess here. Looks Italian and might be
a picture of the Virgin Mary with the Christ child. It
could be old but you should really have it looked at by
a professional who specializes in antique art. Make sure
that the specialist you hire can discern forgeries from
the genuine article.
It's hard to see the portrait, you should have it cleaned
and restored by a professional.
Good luck,
Kat
13 Ghosts
Let's talk antiques!
Just wondering what basis you have for
thinking it might be Italian. Is there some
set of criteria it meets to be said to be so?
I mean, why didn't you guess Spanish or
Greek or German? You must have had
some basis for guessing it was Italian and I
was just wondering what it was.
Always trying to learn.
13 Ghosts
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Tsu Dho Nimh
>I recently purchased this huge Oil Painting at a local charity auction for
>almost nothing. It is in the style of the old masters but is unsigned.
>Follow this link for a page I made containing photographs of the painting:
>http://www.zoomnet.net/~blent62/painting.html
>
>Any help would be appreciated!
Have it PROFESSIONALLY cleaned and then appraised. It appears to
be (dark picture, really DARK!) a Madonna and child, but it could
be anything from a Victorian copy of something to a genuine 17th
century Madonna and bambino.
Tsu Dho Nimh
If we are what we eat, I'm fast, cheap and easy
Tsu Dho Nimh
>Hi Kat,
>Let's talk antiques!
>Just wondering what basis you have for
>thinking it might be Italian. Is there some
>set of criteria it meets to be said to be so?
Because it looks italian? Check the nose on the
Madonna - is that an Italian schnozz or not?
13 Ghosts
wrote:
> "13 Ghosts" <13Gh...@hotbot.com> wrote:
>
> >Hi Kat,
> >Let's talk antiques!
> >Just wondering what basis you have for
> >thinking it might be Italian. Is there some
> >set of criteria it meets to be said to be so?
> Because it looks italian? Check the nose on the
> Madonna - is that an Italian schnozz or not?
> Tsu Dho Nimh
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You GOTTA be kidding me.
13 Ghosts
Ronnie McKinley
> Because it looks italian? Check the nose on the
>Madonna - is that an Italian schnozz or not?
LOLROTF
just love that rip in the "canvas" ... busting a gut day.
Yea, get checked-out.
Ronnie
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Jane Thomas
"Dan Johnson" <@zoomnet.net> wrote:
> I recently purchased this huge Oil Painting at a local charity auction for
> almost nothing. It is in the style of the old masters but is unsigned.
> Follow this link for a page I made containing photographs of the painting:
> http://www.zoomnet.net/~blent62/painting.html
>
> Any help would be appreciated!
>
Dan,
I believe you have a copy of Raphael's Madonna of the Chair.
Here is a link with a photo:
http://www.transporter.com/mcc/aboutpic.htm
This painting seems to have been particularly popular in the nineteenth
century, when thousands and thousands of copies were produced.
Jane
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Ronnie McKinley
>This painting seems to have been particularly popular in the nineteenth
>century, when thousands and thousands of copies were produced.
>
I was in a friend's shop today and he had this very painting in an
oval frame ....... price he was asking, £175 .. said I could have it
for a oner (a 100 pounds) .... er .. he still has it. ;>
Ronnie
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Brian
out. It seems as if this is definitely a repro, and it is not canvas or
paint, from what I can see. That rip is something I have never seen in
canvas, and there is just no indication that there is any real paint
under that layer of crackled Gesso. Generally, I have also never seen
quite that pattern of crackle form from age. It just seems way off from
what I would expect from either a copy or even a good canvas print.
Brian
Brian
Brian
Grant Menzies
pictures, this picture appears to be a virgin and child genre picture,
with an angel looking on, in Italian style (or styles--I see several
different assimilated approaches). I don't know why it would be
considered a "copy" of something, when I can't place it as the copy of
any known painting (or any that I know about) by a celebrated artist.
Nor do I think it's painted on anything but a dry old canvas. It must
have got quite a lot of sun on it for a good many years. I would have
it repaired and enjoy it.
Brian <bri...@janics.com> wrote:
Grant Menzies
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Marshall Schuon
>Well, I have watched this for a while, and I have got to stick my neck
>out. It seems as if this is definitely a repro, and it is not canvas or
>paint, from what I can see. That rip is something I have never seen in
>canvas, and there is just no indication that there is any real paint
>under that layer of crackled Gesso. Generally, I have also never seen
>quite that pattern of crackle form from age. It just seems way off from
>what I would expect from either a copy or even a good canvas print.
_______
Hey, Brian, just how far does that neck of yours stretch? You've
stuck it out now with four copies of the same post.
Marshall
Ronnie McKinley
>Hey, Brian, just how far does that neck of yours stretch? You've
>stuck it out now with four copies of the same post.
>
Well it beats copying belated e-mail messages to the ng.
Ronnie
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Cyanogirl
stuck it out now with four copies of the same post.
Marshall>>
It's a divided drop-leaf neck. ;)
Tsu Dho Nimh
>Well, I have watched this for a while, and I have got to stick my neck
>out. It seems as if this is definitely a repro, and it is not canvas or
>paint, from what I can see. That rip is something I have never seen in
>canvas, and there is just no indication that there is any real paint
>under that layer of crackled Gesso. Generally, I have also never seen
>quite that pattern of crackle form from age. It just seems way off from
>what I would expect from either a copy or even a good canvas print.
Brian -
And with the dark JPG of the entire picture, just what were you
using to make the pattern of crackle distinct enough for
examination? I'd like a copy of that browser or graphics
program.
Tsu Dho Nimh
Women don't make fools of men -- most of them are the do-it-yourself types.
catz
To: Dan Johnson <@zoomnet.net>
Subject: Re: Help Date & Identify This Painting
Date: Monday, August 16, 1999 6:14 AM
The painting is "MaDonna and Child" Raphael was the painter of the original. Your is a paint "over" a print . The colors should be more bronze, with earthtones. I had one in a Round Frame . It was a litho from Chicago dated 1919/ and I had a smaller one in a round frame set in a square frame that was "Sunday Painted" over in oil dated 1918 and signed S.Pratter on the back . The oil tends to crack with a pattern, due to the surface being varished or laquered that the paints are applied to. Are you sure its an oil? Are there chips or even areas due to dryness or heat>sun? At the tear, can you see the layers of oilpaints that have been applied to the canvass? Is the canvass "stretched" in a professional manner? Are the "metal" inserts shaped like a L ,U, I, V or T? Is the canvass high quality? Is the picture and frame made for each other, a good fit?When held up to the light and looking at the back of the painting [canvass] does the picture reverse or stay the same , like an xray /shadow? I hope this answers your question. Sincerely. DMAP