Help! Trying to identify Myott China
Gillam Kerley
BaronGiles wrote:
> I've recently inheirited a china service for 12 made by Myott, in
> Staffordshire, England. I've hit a bunch of websites looking for pictures of
> the pattern, and apparently its either so common that no one is buying or
> selling it, or it's so rare that no one has a picture of it. (I'm hoping it's
> the latter, of course!)
Your best bet would be Replacements, Ltd.,,at 1-800-REPLACE. If you send them a
photocopy (front and back) of a dinner plate, noting the colors of each design
element, they'll tell you if it's in their files and send you a price list (if
you're either selling or buying replacement pieces). There are other companies
that do this, but they're the biggest in the US..
GK
BaronGiles
Staffordshire, England. I've hit a bunch of websites looking for pictures of
the pattern, and apparently its either so common that no one is buying or
selling it, or it's so rare that no one has a picture of it. (I'm hoping it's
the latter, of course!)
The base color is a soft beige, and the pattern is of a bouquet of flowers in a
low golden/brown bowl, within arabesques of the same brown/gold, some
ornamented more flowers. The bouquet and scrollwork are between paired green
and brown stripes (top and bottom).
If anyone can give me a clue as to what the pattern is called... and what it
might be worth... I'd be tremendously grateful!
Giles
Orange County, California
Charleen Bunjiovianna
Haven't I seen this before? :-)
At any rate, there are circumstances, quite common actually, where
"rare" does not equal "valuable" and this is one of them. It is very
hard to sell Myott dinnerware in this country as it is (please forgive me)
rather ordinary stuff. You can value it the same as you would any set
of used dishes.
If you get a pattern name from Replacements you can try your luck with
it on eBay. You might get lucky and find someone who needs your set
to replace pieces in his/her set. But more likely not.
Charleen
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BaronGiles
>The base color is a soft beige, and the pattern is of a bouquet of flowers in
a
>low golden/brown bowl, within arabesques of the same brown/gold, some
>ornamented more flowers. The bouquet and scrollwork are between paired green
>and brown stripes (top and bottom).
>
>If anyone can give me a clue as to what the pattern is called... and what it
>might be worth... I'd be tremendously grateful!>
My thanks to everyone who made helpful suggestions; it turns out this pattern
is called "Vida", and is made by Myott, in Staffordshire, England. It's not
worth a whole lot, according to Replacements (about $150 for the whole service
for twelve), so I guess I've got a new dinner service.
Thanks, y'all!
Giles
Orange County, California
Charleen Bunjiovianna
Thanks for letting us know how that turned out, Giles. And stick around,
this place can be pretty entertaining at times.
It's odd, really. Some of those Staffordshire patterns are quite nice, very
appealing, but right now they're just not heavily collected.
Charleen
Ronnie McKinley
>It's odd, really. Some of those Staffordshire patterns are quite nice, very
>appealing, but right now they're just not heavily collected.
>
I'm afraid I'll have to bump you one on that Charleen, at least from this
side of the perspective pond. Art Deco and late 30s Myott holds its own
with the rest of the Staffordshire stuff of this ilk, course it's not up
there with the Moorcrofts and Clarice Cliffs, but nevertheless. I was
selling colourful Myott 15 years ago, it's still sold around the antique
fairs and centres today and has, like most Deco and deco style, gone up
in price with good examples a little harder to come by. A friend bought a
complete dinner service plus tea-service some 12 years ago (she still has
it and uses it today) she paid Ł475 for it, however, that particular set
was/is screaming Deco. :)
Ronnie
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Charleen Bunjiovianna
Well, sure, if it's Deco. I meant the flowery stuff that is pretty but
not necessarily stylistically distinctive.
Darn near anything you can pass off as Art Deco sells over here. No
contest.
Charleen
Double D Auction
>Darn near anything you can pass off as Art Deco sells over here.
No
>contest.
Anyone care to discuss why Art Deco & Art Nouveau is so popular?
Certainly, most of the glassware & pottery is very colorful, some
bordering on garrish. In most cases, the products are of very
fine workmanship & materials.
The figurines, especially the nudes, seem so very graceful.
Anyone else care to state why it appeals to them?
Debbie
Michele Mauro
Crafts style (or Mission or Prairie) over Deco or Nouveau. I do like the
art Nouveau poster art though - reminds me of psychedelic 60's Grateful
Dead type posters. <evil grin>
I don't know why, but when I think Deco, I usually picture a clock... or
half the buildings in NYC. <g>
Have fun, Michele
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appeals to many. Myself, I prefer something with a bit more
gracefulness, even Empire.
Afraid you've stumped me on Praire. Can you define? Similar to
rustic?
Debbie
Michele Mauro wrote:
>When it comes to furniture and art pottery, I'd much rather have
Arts &
>Crafts style (or Mission or Prairie) over Deco or Nouveau.
(snip)
Michele Mauro
Crafts. He not only designed the houses, but every stick of furniture in
them. And, if he came to visit and you had rearranged the furniture,
he'd put it back to where _he_ had designed it to be! <grin>
Have fun, Michele
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Apple10
most incomprehensible that Art Deco,
Art Noveau & Arts/Crafts/Mission do so
very POORLY in my area!
For the most part, these are the "hot"
items in metropolitan areas, yet in my
semi-rural area, they won't move at all. I
have a sneaky suspicion these are "too
new" for our folks--we tend to hang on to
items for a loooong time & if a person
can remember grandma having it, then it
"ain't a real antique" here?
13 Ghosts
Gee, apple, where did you say you were? ;)
And here is a salient point-
Happend to see a 1922 Montgomery Ward's
mail order catalog and it was full of (I assume
Grand Rapids) "Mission" furniture.
You know that library table you see all the time?
It was in there. And there was a short backed
rocker you have seen a thousand times too.
There was LOTS of this stuff and most of it
recognisable as what is commonly seen
here in the Mid West these days. It was
a real eye opener.
I had no idea that this stuff was so late.
Well, I did always kind of wonder about the
stuff that is obviously held together just with
a few screws. That stuff I always figured
was pretty late. But I really was under the
impression (laboring under the delusion?)
that this stuff was earlier than it apparantly
really is.
Live and learn,
13 Ghosts
P.S. And apple, just send anything that is
"screaming Deco" as Ronnie called it or
anything really groovy Nouveau directly to
me. ;)
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But you said you saw it in a 1922 catalog. Hmmm. Stickley is
the most popular producer.
Now, let's see if someone can answer a question that I asked my
husband just 2 weeks ago. How do you tell the difference between
Mission-style & Mission? Is there such a thing as Mission? The
only examples I've seen in books are all called Mission-style.
Why would they call it style if it is not a close copy to the
real article? Did I word that so anyone can understand?
Debbie
Apple10
I think we've gotta remember that Wards
& Sears where never exactly "avante garde" when it comes to STYLES & were
merchandising what was selling well. It
makes sense that they were always selling stuff LATE in a buying trend & not
exactly operating as trend setters.
I am in WV--where there are LOTS of
antiques (people included!), but everyone
tends to hold onto them 'til they are falling
apart.
Janine Halls
> Debbie wrote:
>
> Anyone care to discuss why Art Deco & Art Nouveau is so popular?
>
> Anyone else care to state why it appeals to them?
Hi all, I am a newcomer to newsgroups and have just been browsing
through the millions available. Forgive me for butting in on this
newsgroup, but I would like to tell you why I like Art Deco and Art
Nouveau items.
Art Nouveau appeals to me because of the flowing lines and imagery used
in the designs of the statuettes, vases, lamps, ironwork, silverware,
jewellry etc etc that is so popular today, as in the past. The images of
Erte come to mind as well - another of my loves. The colours of Art
Nouveau are subtle and interesting . Insects such as dragon flies and
butterflies, as well as floral motifs are used in a very imaginative
way. The quality of materials used, as well as the attention to detail,
appeals to me - far from the minimalist look of design today.
Art Deco, with its garish orange and black, bright colours and geometric
shapes are also appealing. The Shelley cups and saucers in sharp angles,
whilst not very practical for drinking out of, were very pleasing to the
eye. I am always drawn to art deco items at an antique fair because of
the interesting shapes used and also the juxtaposition of black and
white, black and silver and vivid colours for items such as Clarice
Cliff china.
Whilst I could visualise Art Nouveau in my everyday life - I have a few
nice little pieces - Art Deco is something that I love to admire, but do
not collect! I guess I will just have to get a bigger house one day so
that I can find a place for all the things I would like to collect (and
more money of course).
Janine
Smorgass Bored
here,making sense and talking about an ON topic subject... sheesh
Hi all, I am a newcomer to newsgroups and have just been browsing
through the millions available. Forgive me for butting in on this
newsgroup, but I would like to tell you why I like Art Deco and Art
Nouveau items.
Art Nouveau appeals to me because of the flowing lines and imagery used
in the designs of the statuettes, vases, lamps, ironwork, silverware,
jewellry etc etc that is so popular today, as in the past. The images of
Erte come to mind as well - another of my loves. The colours of Art
Nouveau are subtle and interesting .
<snippage>
Janine
welcome aboard <g>,
Doug W.
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W. (Smorgass Bored) in his welcoming you to the group.
Needing a larger house & more money for a collection, that's a
problem that most of us have.
The last few years, I have become fascinated by the nudes, but
don't own any for 2 reasons. One, I never found one that I loved
enough to part with the dough. Two, I keep seeing in my mind the
expressions of people visiting our house for the first time &
seeing nude ladies everywhere. I just know they'd be checking
the color of the porch light as they left.
I suppose their grace & beauty appeals to me because no one could
ever accuse me of either attribute & opposites attract.
Hope you stick around, share some knowledge & join the fun.
Debbie
Janine Halls wrote:
>Hi all, I am a newcomer to newsgroups and have just been
browsing
>through the millions available. Forgive me for butting in on
this
>newsgroup, but I would like to tell you why I like Art Deco and
Art
>Nouveau items.
>
>Art Nouveau appeals to me because of the flowing lines and
imagery used
>in the designs of the statuettes, vases, lamps, ironwork,
silverware,
>jewellry etc etc that is so popular today, as in the past. The
images of
>Erte come to mind as well - another of my loves. The colours of
Art
A2Gumbo
furniture the way you would look at a woman. (Obviously my mentor was a man
but it makes sense). I learned to look at the overall proportions and if it
had graceful lines. To me Mission bespeaks a farm wife. Good sturdy stock,
will hold up under lots of abuse, but heavy and not particularly pretty or
graceful. Then you look at an Adams or Sheraton piece and you see wonderful
graceful lines, lovely proportions and a certain grandeur of style. Hope I
don't offend anyone; this is simply my personal opinion. I've never seen
anything attractive in Mission or Arts and Crafts. It is just bulky and ugly
to me.
Ashley
>When it comes to furniture and art pottery, I'd much rather have Arts &
>Crafts style (or Mission or Prairie) over Deco or Nouveau. I do like the
>art Nouveau poster art though - reminds me of psychedelic 60's Grateful
>Dead type posters. <evil grin>
>
>I don't know why, but when I think Deco, I usually picture a clock... or
>half the buildings in NYC. <g>
>
>Have fun, Michele
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>> Charleen Bunjiovianna wrote:
>> >Darn near anything you can pass off as Art Deco sells over here.
>> No
>> >contest.
>>
>> Anyone care to discuss why Art Deco & Art Nouveau is so popular?
>>
>> Certainly, most of the glassware & pottery is very colorful, some
>> bordering on garrish. In most cases, the products are of very
>> fine workmanship & materials.
>>
>> The figurines, especially the nudes, seem so very graceful.
>>
>> Anyone else care to state why it appeals to them?
>> Debbie
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"Women should be obscene and not heard." Groucho Marx
Apple10
For the most part, I agree with you on
Arts/Crafts/Mission style furniture, BUT I
did see 1 exquisite desk. Delicately
"Stickley-looking" with a slab top, but
neat bookshelf sides done with strips of
wood & hammered copper strips as orna-
mentation & legs that while "blocky" were
nonetheless thin & elegant looking. No
ID at all on the thing, but it WAS graceful
& quite different than the "usual" while
conforming to the standards of the style
in every aspect.
Michele Mauro
the world go round! <g>
I don't think A&C is heavy or blocky - to me, I think Empire when
someone uses those words. I see simple lines, geometric design, and
mostly comfort. Perhaps it's the dark wood colors of Mission that gives
the impression of weight to you?
When I see pieces you describe as "wonderful graceful lines" and
"grandeur of style" I think, "How the heck is anyone supposed to be
comfortable in _that_?" <grin>
I doubt if I'd ever be a farm wife, but I wouldn't mind a renovated farm
_house_! <grin>
Have fun, Michele
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Ronnie McKinley
> I've never seen
>anything attractive in Mission or Arts and Crafts. It is just bulky and ugly
>to me.
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mckinley/temp/charles_rohlf.jpg
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heavy & blocky, but rather practical & sturdy with style.
Mission always makes me think of wooden egg crates that someone
has disassembled & reassembled into furniture.
I agree with ALS, I don't care for oak Empire, either.
Debbie
Mari miller
Wow!
Mari
A2Gumbo
Looks to me like Gothik (yes, with a "k")to distinguish it from the original
period of Gothic style. This was during the Victorian period in which they
revived the Gothic style somewhat with the arched tops made perhaps during the
Arts and Crafts period but not of the style normally associated with Mission or
Arts and Crafts.
Ashley
Ronnie McKinley
>>Well, Ronnie, I don't consider that piece to be Mission or Arts and Crafts.
>Looks to me like Gothik (yes, with a "k")to distinguish it from the original
>period of Gothic style. This was during the Victorian period in which they
>revived the Gothic style somewhat with the arched tops made perhaps during the
>Arts and Crafts period but not of the style normally associated with Mission or
>Arts and Crafts.
>
Ash ... look him up .... Charles Rohlfs and a Yank at that.
Ash ... the whole Arts and Craft movement in England which was began by
William Morris and John Ruskin was essentially Gothic based, they drew
their influence, ideals and working conditions and practices from the
Gothic period, and from Pugin's desire to make the Gothic once again the
English National unified style as it once had been. Where they differ,
the Arts and Crafts of William Morris wished to remove the ecclesiastical
overtones and the Church as the main client, from the style, influence
and design, whereas, Pugin saw the Church as being all important as the
driving force and the ultimate and only client for the "New" style, as it
had been in the case of Gothic period
.... Gothic with a K?? get out of here Ash, the Arts and Craft is a
serious subject. You look at the Arts and Crafts of William Morris,
Baillie Scott, William Burges, the High Art of Eastlake (English) the
Decorative Arts of Godwin ... all fundamentally Gothic, may have been
refined, but without a shadow of doubt, the Gothic.
Look up Charles Rohlfs and when your at it, bear in mind, that Gustav
Stickley was heavily influenced by the English Arts and Craft movement,
was he more than anyone who married the aims of the British Arts and
Craft movement to the frontier style of the log-cabin and produced what
was known in *America* as Reform or Mission furniture, although I am led
to believe, the term Mission, was never used by Stickley himself.
And whilst you are doing all that the homework on the above, also look up
the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood, Their followers working closely with that
of William Morris, and in the case of Dante Gabriel Rossetti, to name but
one, in many case working in both movement both camps. How would you
define the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood and the English Arts and Craft
movement, if not the Gothic?
Ronnie
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A2Gumbo
Have waited to respond until I had time to read a bit. I have to admit that my
idea of Arts and Crafts and Mission Furniture was limited to what is really
American Mission. You have opened my eyes and I can see some beauty in Arts and
Crafts. However, I still find the heavy oak Mission unattractive. What I am
mainly familiar with is the Stickley style of furniture. This is a personal
preference and I don't particularly care for oak unless it is in a kitchen. I
just prefer a bit more elegance and formality. Even for a less formal look
like in a family room, I prefer pine with years of patina on it.
By the way, I used the term Gothik (with a k) because when I studied British
Architecture at Christ Church, Oxford, the tutor there used that term (as did
our book) to distinguish Gothic Revival from the original Gothic period.
Ashley
Ronnie McKinley
>By the way, I used the term Gothik (with a k) because when I studied British
>Architecture at Christ Church, Oxford, the tutor there used that term (as did
>our book) to distinguish Gothic Revival from the original Gothic period.
>
Which Gothic Revival, Ash?
It's always been a bleeding Gothic revival over here, in one form or
another since the Renaissance ... they are basically Gothic over here,
have always been and probably always will.
Ronnie
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Ronnie McKinley
>By the way, I used the term Gothik (with a k) because when I studied British
>Architecture at Christ Church, Oxford, the tutor there used that term (as did
>our book) to distinguish Gothic Revival from the original Gothic period.
Ashley, here is a few of the opening paragraphs to Eastlake's, 'History
of The Gothic Revival' - from the "The Introduction" .... the book is
well worth a read, Ash
1. Eastlake's Gothic Revival
....." Pugin's gospel of structural "truth" had at last been separated
from his religious obsessions, and Ruskin and Morris were already looking
beyond the paraphernalia of medievalism towards the vision of a new
society. The search for a new style - a recurrent nightmare for 19th
century architects - had entered a critical phase. Webb, Nesfield,
Stephenson, Shaw, Robson and Champneys has begun to experiment with
vernacular Renaissance forms, The "Queen Anne Style" - that "vexatious
disturber of the Gothic movement", as Scott called it - had arrived. The
Arts and Crafts phase, child of the Gothic Revival and ancestor of the
Modern Movement, had already been born. It was time for the Gothic
revivalists to take stock of their position; time to look back over the
progress of the movement, time to evaluate its achievements, time to
debate the future ...."
3 Gothic Survival and Gothick Revival
..." Trying to track down a chronological watershed between the survival
and revival of Gothick is like chasing a will-o'-the-wisp. For the Gothic
style was resuscitated several times before it was dead, and lingered
unconscionably long in certain traditionalist areas. Survival and revival
march side by side during the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries; and at
times their paths overlap and merge with a third development, the
introduction of Renaissance motifs. Long before the advent of Rococo
Gothick in the 1720s, the Gothic style had been thrice revived. That is,
it had been subject to three quasi-revivalist impulses: Elizabethan and
Jacobean chivalry; Laudian Anglicanism; and the experimentalism of the
age of Wren. None of these three phases is wholly revivalist. But each
contains, to a greater or lesser degree, the seeds of genuine
revivalism."
Ronnie
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