Looking a good DEED ... (was Antiques Roadshow)
Ronnie McKinley
OK, which one of you guys is going to kindly volunteer and record the USA
version of the Antiques Roadshow onto a VHS tape and post it to me??
I'll pay for the postage and cost of the video tape. Would be better if
this could be recorded in the British Pal format, but if that's not
possible then the American NTSC format will do fine, I can have it
decoded into Pal over here. No MORE than 3 hours please, but at least one
hour duration as decoding cost is per hour.
Any offers?? :)
Ronnie
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Doris Bialas
I could tape it VHS and send it to you,
that would be no problem. I'm not sure,
I'll have to check with WEBTV but my
kids said they can tape from the TV to VCR to WEBTV then e-mail it . It
would of course be still photos, is that what you
are looking for or the action. And the sad look on peoples face when
they are told
this gun is a repro and your dad paid $600
tooooo much . Let me know and I'll check with my kids IF they'll do it.
Doris
When someone says to you "A penny
for your thoughts" and you put your two
cents in,what happens to the other penny?
Charleen Bunjiovianna
Sure. I can record it in PAL for you. We've got a multi-standard VCR.
Or would you prefer SECAM? :-)
The hard part is remembering to tape the AR since I never watch it. It
makes my blood boil, I start shouting at the TV... It's not a pretty sight.
Send me your address, OK?
Charleen
Esengo
Ronnie wrote:
>>OK, which one of you guys is going to kindly volunteer and record the USA
>>version of the Antiques Roadshow onto a VHS tape and post it to me??
>>
I think he just wants to see what all the women are getting worked up about.
(The Keno's) :-)
LF
Ronnie McKinley
>Sure. I can record it in PAL for you. We've got a multi-standard VCR.
>Or would you prefer SECAM? :-)
>
Thanks Charleen, Pal will be wonderful that'll save me the decoding
costs. We will just leave the SECAM to the French. :)
>The hard part is remembering to tape the AR since I never watch it. It
>makes my blood boil, I start shouting at the TV... It's not a pretty sight.
I know the feeling, I haven't watched the British version for maybe three
or more years. But I thought what the hell, I just gotta see Reyne in her
stiletto heels. :)
If you would PLEASE just leave out any commercial breaks that may appear
in the show. I return the favour and record something antique related
from our side and pop the tape back to you ... NOT the Brit Roadshow, so
stay cool. :)
>Send me your address, OK?
I send that via email. Thanks a bunch.
Ronnie
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Kat
If you would like a copy of the Swedish version of the
Antiques Roadshow (called Antik Runden in Swedish) I'll send
it to you for free as a thank you for helping me out
with some items these past years. I will even translate
it for you!
Best Regards,
Kathleen
Charleen Bunjiovianna
>In rec.antiques, Charleen Bunjiovianna wrote:
>
>>Sure. I can record it in PAL for you. We've got a multi-standard VCR.
>>Or would you prefer SECAM? :-)
>
>Thanks Charleen, Pal will be wonderful that'll save me the decoding
>costs. We will just leave the SECAM to the French. :)
Laurie, do you want one too? Durned if I can remember where you're located
these days...all I can think of is that you were in Brussels for awhile and
I'm not sure what standard the Belgians use. Is that SECAM too?
As long as I've got my technosweetie primed to do the recording, we might
as well do all the standards, eh.
Charleen
ReyneH
Gosh, why didn't you just ask for a photo of the stiletto heels. Cyn could
have sent you one - you don't have to torture yourself with the show just to
get a glimpse
:-)
david bottomley
Kat wrote in message <38B19C76...@stacken.kth.se>...
>Ronnie,
>
>If you would like a copy of the Swedish version of the
>Antiques Roadshow (called Antik Runden in Swedish) I'll send
>it to you for free as a thank you for helping me out
>with some items these past years. I will even translate
>it for you!
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kathleen
>
>
>
>Ronnie McKinley wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Sure. I can record it in PAL for you. We've got a multi-standard VCR.
>> >Or would you prefer SECAM? :-)
>> >
>>
>> Thanks Charleen, Pal will be wonderful that'll save me the decoding
>> costs. We will just leave the SECAM to the French. :)
>>
david bottomley
david bottomley
Mike Wilcox
>
> In article <38b17452...@nntp.netcom.net.uk> mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk writes:
> >
> >version of the Antiques Roadshow onto a VHS tape and post it to me??
> >
> >this could be recorded in the British Pal format, but if that's not
> >possible then the American NTSC format will do fine, I can have it
> >decoded into Pal over here. No MORE than 3 hours please, but at least one
> >hour duration as decoding cost is per hour.
> >
> >Any offers?? :)
>
> Or would you prefer SECAM? :-)
>
> makes my blood boil, I start shouting at the TV... It's not a pretty sight.
>
>
I'm glad someone agrees with me Charleen ;~)))
--
Mike Wilcox
Wilcox & Hall Appraisers Online
http://www3.sympatico.ca/appraisers
Charleen Bunjiovianna
>Charleen Bunjiovianna wrote:
>>
>> The hard part is remembering to tape the AR since I never watch it. It
>> makes my blood boil, I start shouting at the TV... It's not a pretty sight.
>
Hey, Mike, wouldn't it be great fun to gather a group of r.a folks, pour
the Guinness or Bushmills as you will, and put on a couple episodes of the
(U.S.) Antiques Roadshow?
Kind of like Mystery Science Theatre 2000, only with booze. :-)
Charleen
Ronnie McKinley
Hey Ryene, our Cyn in 6 inch stiletto heels WOW!! not so bad, but the
thought of that bloody whip of hers, just scares me stiff. ;>
Ronnie
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Ronnie McKinley
>The USA version of the Antiques roadshow can be seen on Sky tv in the UK .
>The USA version of the Antiques roadshow can be seen on Sky tv in the UK .
>The USA version of the Antiques roadshow can be seen on Sky tv in the UK .
Thanks David.
er ... three posts in a row!! ... you work for Mr. Murdock? ;-)
I don't have SKY TV, I am down to earth sort a guy and besides, 120 quid
a year! is already enough to pay for TV without me making Murdock even
fatter. I hear the Beeb want another increase, this time to subsidize
their digital service .. HUH!!??!!
Anyways, if that's the case with the American version going out on Sky,
HOLD-ON!! Charleen! ... I can get my mate to record it from the Sky
channel . Which channel is it? and the time, David?? .. it's probably two
or three years behind. ;)
btw .. who get's killed off in the Simpsons anyway?? ;>
Ronnie
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Jane Thomas
In article <88seap$dbl$1...@nntp.Stanford.EDU>,
A wire-mesh cage around the TV might be a good idea.
>Charleen
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jc
>>>but the
thought of that bloody whip of hers, just scares me stiff. ;>>>>
primed and ready to go! ..:-)
jc
Mike Wilcox
>
> In rec.antiques, ReyneH wrote:
>
> >Ronnie
> >
> >Gosh, why didn't you just ask for a photo of the stiletto heels. Cyn could
> >have sent you one - you don't have to torture yourself with the show just to
> >get a glimpse
>
> thought of that bloody whip of hers, just scares me stiff. ;>
>
> =====
"Stiff" as in Mr .Woody? ;~)))
Mike Wilcox
>
> In article <38B1B85D...@sympatico.ca> appra...@sympatico.ca writes:
> >Charleen Bunjiovianna wrote:
> >>
> >> The hard part is remembering to tape the AR since I never watch it. It
> >> makes my blood boil, I start shouting at the TV... It's not a pretty sight.
> >
> >I'm glad someone agrees with me Charleen ;~)))
>
> Hey, Mike, wouldn't it be great fun to gather a group of r.a folks, pour
> the Guinness or Bushmills as you will, and put on a couple episodes of the
> (U.S.) Antiques Roadshow?
>
> Kind of like Mystery Science Theatre 2000, only with booze. :-)
>
I know after doing a few Roadshow type of events I could use a few stiff
drinks, make mine a double "Screwdriver". ;~))
Maryann
>thought of that bloody whip of hers, just scares me stiff. ;>
Isn't that the point?
Maryann
Paula Wood
>Path:
>When someone says to you "A penny
>for your thoughts" and you put your two
>cents in,what happens to the other penny?
My 8 year old daughter came up with this answer.
You get 2 penny's for there thoughts then when, you go & ask a penny for your
thoughts you hand the second penny to the other person for there thoughts.
The first panny stays in your pocket. Then when that person asks someone else
they add a penny of there's and keep the other.
So, it starts out with 2 penny's but, every person that answers another only
gets one.
They I get it. Do you?
Paula
Delete Fada from email, Paula,
Haltom City.TX. 76117
Ronnie McKinley
Yea, it's hand on the old pencil lead.
Ronnie
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Doris Bialas
imaginative daughter. I love the way they can make sense out of things.
Thanks for sharing, I'll find another for her.
Doris
LeAnne Davis
Do you really want to know?
LeAnne
Ronnie McKinley
>> btw .. who get's killed off in the Simpsons anyway?? ;>
>
>
>Do you really want to know?
I probably could find the answer somewhere on the net, but I cannot be
arsed to look ... never watch the bloody thing anyway, but our 7 year old
is trance-fixed with it all ... don't blame me, blame his mum, nobody
ever listens to me in our house, sometimes I feel like the wall-paper.
So who shot JR then? ... oops!! wrong programme. :>)
Ronnie
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Richard Ward
stadium when hit with a volley of T-Shirt firing bazookas.
Richard Ward
Ronnie McKinley
>Ned Flanders wife (can't recall the name)
Er ... Mrs Flanders? :))
Cheers
Ronnie
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Mike Wilcox
Yes, she was the only woman in The USA who didn't have an affair with
Bill Clinton ;~))))
Richard Ward
Ronnie McKinley
>Yes, she was the only woman in The USA who didn't have an affair with
>Bill Clinton ;~))))
Oh ... MONICA Flanders??
So she never has a "sexual relationship" with that man, Bill Clinton? but
he still had her nuked with a wet T-Shirt??
btw .. has yer man John de Chastelain arrived home yet!! and how the hell
did Canada get involved in all this anyway? ;>
Ronnie
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Mike Wilcox
>
> In rec.antiques, Mike Wilcox wrote:
>
> >Yes, she was the only woman in The USA who didn't have an affair with
> >Bill Clinton ;~))))
>
> Oh ... MONICA Flanders??
>
> So she never has a "sexual relationship" with that man, Bill Clinton? but
> he still had her nuked with a wet T-Shirt?
> Now I'm confused
> btw .. has yer man John de Chastelain arrived home yet!! and how the hell
> did Canada get involved in all this anyway? ;>
Don't know if John made it home yet, seems they always send in us
Canadians where even the locals fear to tread. It must be result of our
winters, we will go anywhere that's warmer
beeed...@webtv.net
I've been reading all your responses to the Roadshow.
Ned's wife's name was Maude.
You do know that the way Roadshow portrays the antiques industry isn't
real. Right?
People go on it hoping that if their stuff is worth something that
they'll have a better chance of being ripped off less badly when they
try to sell. Maybe get into a better auction house like Christies.
Depending on where you live the local auction places maybe a fix, you
know, dealers who keep the bidding low to get stuff for cheap. Take it
to a local dealer- be prepared to be royally ripped off. Been there,
done that.
Sure it can be fun to watch, sometimes, but I wonder how may people who
appear on these shows actually get anything near the appraised value
when they sell.
Please post any responses to this to the group rec.antiques and not to
my e-mail. I have e-mail overload this week and am running out of
storage space. Thanks.
ReyneH
a) Many people walk away not wanting to know what its worth, but moreso what it
IS
b) It has also been noted that many of these folks have not sold their items,
nor did they plan to.
c) Several of the ones that have did consign them to auction and got their
money, and sometimes alot more.
Also, I must say I resent the fact that you stereotype dealers as folks who are
bound to rip you off should you bring an item to them. (your whole, been there
done that comment) - I am sorry you obviously had a bad experience however that
does NOT make all of us like them.
I'd have to think you should take those comments and run while you are in here
with a room FULL of dealers who do nothing but give out FREE advice and
information on a daily basis.
Reyne Haines
Just Glass Auctions - http://www.JustGlass.com
Vintage Glass - http://members.aol.com/VintGlass/index.htm
Moderator, Art Glass Discussion Group - Ask me about it!
Ronnie McKinley
>I'd have to think you should take those comments and run while you are in here
>with a room FULL of dealers who do nothing but give out FREE advice and
>information on a daily basis.
>
Reyne, why are you wasting your time responding to an obvious troll?
I though at first it was my old grannie with another half a dozen eggs.
Ronnie
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ReyneH
Silly me. Thanks for giving me a reality check.
R
beeed...@webtv.net
You guys don't live in same area as I do- the northeast. My parents
collected for years. They had good friends who were dealers, who have
since passed away. The antiques biz here has changed. When you bought a
genuine piece and held onto it for a while dealers would gladly buy it
for you at a good price. My mom often 'traded up' with dealers
exchanging a piece she had for a while for something else worth a little
more. Now dealers here only want to give you 10% of an item's value if
you are lucky. Things changed here in the late 80's and early 90's when
the bottom fell out of the antiques market here. Things are now very
cutthroat.- according to a dealer in NY state. The book stores here sell
books geared to people who want to be dealers, that tell you how to rip
off people when buying from them to sell in your own shop or to become a
'picker' for dealers. They are written by East Coast Dealers. One tells
where to go from Quebec to the Carolina's and pick up genuine antiques
for next to nothing. Auctioneers that will help keep the prices low,
etc.
Those northeastern antiques that have circulated to the rest of the
country were often purchased from their original owners for pennies on
the dollar, of their real value.
Reproductions here often have higher value then genuine pieces that are
200 years old. Lower end dealers restore and alter items all the time
and pass it off as 'original condition'
I don't know how many times I've heard that the auctions in CT are
fixed, dealers decide beforehand on who bids on what, to keep the
selling prices low. Owners who sell peices often have their names
removed from an item's provenance if they are just "regular folks" and
not of some important family. Some provenances only list the names of
dealers who've had the item. This is a common practice here.
I've helped my mom sell some stuff and she's been horribly ripped off,
by different people in three different states. These people are often
abusive. The antiques biz here is nasty in the tri-state area. If your
stuff can't get into an auction house like Christies or Sothebys be
prepared to be ripped off. I'm sorry if this offends you, you may be
honest people and things may not be so bad where you live but there are
a lot of nasty dealers out there looking to rip people off. This is
simply the sad truth of the antiques biz in the northeast, as it exists
today.
ReyneH
There are bad seeds in every business, but to categorize all the dealers in the
Northeast is foolish. I buy from the East Coast: NY, CT, RI, MA, VT, ME all
week long. That is where the majority of my merchandise comes from. I have no
issues with other dealers there. Sure, there are some I find less than honest,
but if I opened my eyes wide enough I'd find the same thing anywhere, in any
business.
Bad doctors, bad lawyers, bad priests. You name it. Those are just bad people
which has nothing to do with the business they are in, just the person
themself.
Doris Bialas
<snip>
Bad doctors, bad lawyers, bad priests. You name it. Those are just bad
people which has nothing to do with the business they are in, just the
person themself.
And then everyone else has to work twice as hard to get the respect they
deserve for
being honest. What has happened to :
"innocent UNTIL proven guilty" Honesty
pays off in the long run. Everyone can
make a living AND be honest all at the same time. IMO
Doris
http://community.webtv.net/dorass126/Artifacts
beeed...@webtv.net
I'm referring to selling to dealers not buying from them. Jane
Non-antique-dealer, whose done some research into the values to items,
attends shows, etc. She's collected for a while but now it's time to
downsize. Selling to a dealer and not having settle for between 1% and
10% of a item's retail value. You're in the business, you don't see the
other side of the issue- what it's like for private individuals not
connected to the industry. Try sending a friend or relative, even
better, a person who is mid-fifties or older, especially a woman; out
with a object to sell to dealers up here and see what the response is.
Someone not part of the biz. How is this person going to be treated?
Try reading "Antiques on the Cheap" by McKenzie or the book whose
title is something like-How to triple your money in antiques in 30 days-
or something similar. The book has kind of a golden mustard yellow
cover. It's a paperback. The guy who wrote it has this smug "some
people can be so deceiving" catch phrase throughout the book. I think it
the one that lists the auction house in North Carolina that helps
dealers buy genuine old stuff for next to nothing. Try looking in the
'antiques/ collectibles' section at your local Barnes & Noble. They
carry these books.
Adios, from me on this subject.
Mike Wilcox
>
> Like I said, there are plenty of bad seeds in every business - and you asking
> me to look at that book is like asking me to look at The Enquirer.
>
> Serious dealers in this business don't read that crap, nor do they behave that
> way.
>
> And by the way...I lived in NYC as a DEALER for 3.5 yrs and never once was
> fortunate enough to pay 10% of somethings true value unless it was at a yard
> sale. Yea, I'm guilty. I bought a piece of depression glass that booked at $8
> for .50 cents.
>
> Off to pray for forgiveness.....
>
> Reyne Haines
> Just Glass Auctions - http://www.JustGlass.com
> Vintage Glass - http://members.aol.com/VintGlass/index.htm
> Moderator, Art Glass Discussion Group - Ask me about it!
I always had you pegged as a bad'un Reyne ;~)), how can you stand the
sleepless nights!
ReyneH
Simple, I just removed all the mirrors in my house so I don't have to look at
myself anymore.
Teheheh
R
Mike Wilcox
Or is it because your a Vampire as well;~)))) Man, that would really
suck.
Maryann
>> I bought a piece of depression glass that booked at $8
>>for .50 cents.
>>
>>Off to pray for forgiveness.....
>... and may the lord have mercy on your soul.
>Ronnie
>=====
Do you ever feel guilty, Reyne? I'm still a little haunted by the
peach opalescent bowl I bought for 75 cents.
Maryann
ReyneH
Good question. In fact, to tell the beadlady (can't remember her name) how
scummy I am....
Once when I lived in NYC I drove past a yard sale. I stopped to take a look
around. There was a lady who had about 30 hummels. Yup those ugly porcelain
things. Anyhow, she had them marked 50 cents each. I pulled the nice lady to
the side and tried to explain to her that her Hummels were worth alot more than
that. She put her hand up, didn't want to hear it. She said I was either buying
or I wasn't.
I told her I'd pay her more than 50 cents each. Again, she didn't want to hear
it, and started helping other customers. I paid her the 50 cents each, took
them to the North Shore Animal League and gave them to them as a donation -
then later went home and put a envelope with more cash in her mailbox.
Yup, I can hardly live with myself. Now if I was an true kind of New England
antique dealer, I'd have asked if she could take 10 cents each.
Nort...@geoserve.com.net
David
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 17:39:17 GMT, mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk (Ronnie
McKinley) wrote:
>
>OK, which one of you guys is going to kindly volunteer and record the USA
>version of the Antiques Roadshow onto a VHS tape and post it to me??
>
>I'll pay for the postage and cost of the video tape. Would be better if
>this could be recorded in the British Pal format, but if that's not
>possible then the American NTSC format will do fine, I can have it
>decoded into Pal over here. No MORE than 3 hours please, but at least one
>hour duration as decoding cost is per hour.
>
>Any offers?? :)
>
>
>Ronnie
>=====
beeed...@webtv.net
I think you're missing the point. I'm not talking about some stupid
depression glass or hummel. 20th century vintage or collectable stuff.
I'm talking about genuine antiques-you know 18th and 19th century. Not
yard sale stuff.
It seems pointless trying to explain something to someone who can't see
things from someone else's perspective. A different point of view.
You only see things from inside the industry- not outside. The
experiences of an outsider dealing with the biz are going to be very
different from yours. Also living in a particular area for several
decades gives you different insights into things then the person who
lives here for a couple of years or just comes here to do business.
You're missing a really important message here and you don't see it. And
it's really sad. Don't believe a word I say- but it doesn't change what
I've seen and know. It's probably just a part of the bigger picture of
the problems facing the northeast in general.
ReyneH
items and other Art Nouveau related items. No, that is not 17th or 18th century
items but you are the one missing the point.
As I have said several times in my posts...you are classifying everyone.
Let me ask you this? Have you dealt with every dealer in your New England,
Northeast coast area? If not, don't say everyone is a con because you haven't
dealt with EVERYONE.
Do you think everyone here is from the south, or the midwest, or the west
coast? Do you think everyone here that IS from the East Coast deals in Beanie
Babies?
What I am telling you, is you come into a forum where there are plenty of
dealers who give out FREE information to just about anyone who asks on a daily
basis - and basically toss accusations of them being dishonest. That's where
the problem comes in.
How can YOU say everyone is bad? Do you know where everyone here is from? No -
you don't. Do you know you might have offended one if not more people that
just MIGHT live in your area, who just MIGHT be on the board offering their
kind words of wisdom to usenet readers when they can.
Gosh, the way I see it - the northeast folks that want to sell things are rude,
obnoxious and want the world and then some for their items. How can they expect
us the dealer who has 1) researched it 2) have to clean it 3) have to pay rent
to show it 4) have to lug it around at the shows etc... to pay THAT kind of
money for it. Gosh, wouldn't that sound like you?
Now - are you feeling a little offensive?
beeed...@webtv.net
Again you miss the point. First I'm refering to a particular region
that doesn't include northern New England-big difference from southern
NE.
NYC works on it's own rules, in every aspect of life. I'm not talking
about the rest of the US or other countries.
Sure there are rude people up here but there are nice, good people too.
It just doesn't seem right that a dealer will only give an individual
$1500 for items that they can easily sell for $8-$10 thousand- more if
their shop is in a wealthy area. How about $400 for a chair in
wonderful shape, that dealers sell for $3-$4 thousand?
Yeah, delers have expenses, but so does my friend's husband who has a
retail shop, but he would'nt tell his wholesaler "Hey my ultility bill
went up so I'm only going to give you 75% of your wholesale price this
month. If my bill is'nt so bad next month maybe I'll give you 80%"
beeed...@webtv.net
Again you miss the point. First I'm referring to a particular region
that doesn't include northern New England-big difference from southern
NE.
NYC works on it's own rules, in every aspect of life. I'm not talking
about the rest of the US or other countries.
Sure there are rude people up here but there are nice, good people too.
It just doesn't seem right that a dealer will only give an individual
their shop is in a wealthy area. How about $400 for a chair in
Yeah, dealers have expenses, but so does my friend's husband who has a
retail shop, but he wouldn't tell his wholesaler "Hey my utility bill
went up so I'm only going to give you 75% of your wholesale price this
Do dealers really have to buy colonial era homes for their shop. Spend a
couple of hundred thousand dollars restoring them to what they looked
like in 1760. They are almost always located in upscale residential
neighborhoods where the houses are on large wooded lots so the
insurance rates are sky high because the remoteness makes them easy
targets for thieves? People who are foolish enough to tempt fate that
way shouldn't be allowed to complain about the high cost of running
their shop. I'm sure that the problems in the biz here, are probably a
reflection of the whole changing economic picture of this region
Maybe you guys from other regions just aren't aware of this, after all
we don't know too much in detail about the economic factors that
influence your regions. This is after all an unregulated industry so it
probably is possible for those from other areas to be unaware.
But there seems to be an unwillingness in the biz for people to talk
openly about such things.
All I ask is that you keep an open mind, Not all collectors are
uneducated boobs. We research too, and I don't mean Kovals. It's a nasty
stereotype your biz has toward the collecting public. Open dialogue is
necessary to grow and learn as people.
The End.
ReyneH
everyone does it.
>It just doesn't seem right that a dealer will only give an individual
>$1500 for items that they can easily sell for $8-$10 thousand- more if
>their shop is in a wealthy area. How about $400 for a chair in
>wonderful shape, that dealers sell for $3-$4 thousand?
>Yeah, delers have expenses, but so does my friend's husband who has a
>retail shop, but he would'nt tell his wholesaler "Hey my ultility bill
>went up so I'm only going to give you 75% of your wholesale price this
>month. If my bill is'nt so bad next month maybe I'll give you 80%"
beeed...@webtv.net
>You are 100% correct, that is not right for
>people to do...
Hey,
You got my point. Unfortunately I've come across too many people around
here that see this as the norm. There are dealers here who hate that
this is done, but they have to go along with the flow in order to
survive. This is, after all the super-competitive northeast, which is
one reason why I hate living in this region so much. It's a shame
because the history and wonderful craftsmanship of many antique pieces,
the fact that these creations were made totally by hand, most before the
electrical age with its modern machines and mass production, gets lost.
Mari miller
>Good question. In fact, to tell the beadlady
>(can't remember her name) how scummy I
>am....
>Once when I lived in NYC I drove past a yard
>sale. I stopped to take a look around. There
>was a lady who had about 30 hummels. Yup
>those ugly porcelain things. Anyhow, she had
>them marked 50 cents each. I pulled the nice
>lady to the side and tried to explain to her that
>her Hummels were worth alot more than that.
>She put her hand up, didn't want to hear it. >She
>said I was either buying or I wasn't.
>I told her I'd pay her more than 50 cents each.
>Again, she didn't want to hear it, and started
>helping other customers. I paid her the 50 >cents
>each, took them to the North Shore Animal
>League and gave them to them as a donation -
>then later went home and put a envelope with
>more cash in her mailbox. Yup, I can hardly >live with myself. Now if I
was a
>n true kind of New England antique dealer, I'd
>have asked if she could take 10 cents each.
>Reyne Haines
LOL FOUR good deeds in one paragragh Reyne? Told her they were
underpriced, tried to give her more money, donated them to the animal
league, and then stuiffed money in her mail-box. and they called ME a
liar for saying I saw Tiffany lamps being undersold at an auction. go
figure.....
mari
ReyneH
You know, some people just can't believe things unless they see it with their
own eyes. There really are a few good people left in the world, but I think
folks have decided its more interesting to think there are none.
Mari miller
For some reason your post didn't show up until today. Actually, you're
very wrong. I believe there are MANY good people left in the world,
Hell, even in this ng!:-) Every day I hear of selfless people reaching
out to do good in the world. The difference here Reyne, is OTHER people
tell about the good deeds done by others. They're not tootin' their own
horns in one "Gee ain't I the greatest" paragraph. As one
dealer to another- I STILL think your story is hooey. You told her they
were underpriced. You bought a table full of 'ugly little Hummels' for
50 cents each. (average worth 75-200 dollars each.) DONATED them to an
animal league, and then sent her MORE money in the mail. hooey hooey
hooey. Reyne, I looked at your 'just glass' auctions, you've got as much
Anchor Hocking Fire King as you do art glass. (average worth 10-25
each.) You're expecting me to believe you don't 'cross over' into other
fields of collectibles when the profit margin is triple what one of your
largest catagories is going for? I'm not saying you're not a good person
Reyne, I'm mearly stating YOUR example of YOUR 'honesty and integrity
is pure horse pucky.imo:-)
Mari (If ANYTHING will draw the 'ghost' out of
retirement, this is it!)
Mike Wilcox
Mari, if you keep this this up you are looking to get flamed again. Read
the whole thread and I think you'll see that you've got your wires
crossed.
ReyneH
If you'd follow the auction you'd see the Just Glass is a person to person
auction - meaning just like eBay, anyone can consign - which is what the Anchor
Hocking and stuff you see IS
To see what I sell
The pieces that have the sellers name
Reyne Haines on the auction site are mine.
So try looking again before you spout off things that are not correct and a
large assumtion on your part.
I never said people weren't honest - I was defending the fact that they were
against the beadgoddes poster who was saying all the Northeast coast dealers
werent.
Try reading ALLLLLL the way from the beginning.
ReyneH
of reality.
Doris Bialas
Reyne,
For some reason your post didn't show up until today. Actually, you're
very wrong. I believe there are MANY good people left in the world,
Hell, even in this ng!:-) Every day I hear of selfless people reaching
out to do good in the world. The difference here Reyne, is OTHER people
tell about the good deeds done by others. They're not tootin' their own
horns in one "Gee ain't I the greatest" paragraph.
As one dealer to another- I STILL think your story is hooey. You
told her they were underpriced. You bought a table full of 'ugly little
Hummels' for 50 cents each. (average worth 75-200 dollars each.) DONATED
them to an animal league, and then sent her MORE money in the mail.
hooey hooey hooey. Reyne, I looked at your 'just glass' auctions, you've
got as much Anchor Hocking Fire King as you do art glass. (average worth
10-25 each.) You're expecting me to believe you don't 'cross over' into
other fields of collectibles when the profit margin is triple what one
of your largest catagories is going for? I'm not saying you're not a
good person Reyne, I'm mearly stating YOUR example of YOUR 'honesty and
integrity is pure horse pucky.imo:-)
Mari (If ANYTHING
will draw the 'ghost' out of
retirement, this is it!)
Mike wrote:
Mari, if you keep this this up you are looking to get flamed again. Read
the whole thread and I think you'll see that you've got your wires
crossed.
Mari,
I also just got this Mar.12.
I think Reyne DID do what she said she did. We would all be surprised at
the things that each of us does for mankind
without having to blow their own horn. I
have no doubt each and everyone of us could give at least one(if not one
for each year) example of how we have donated to
help someone else with no thought as to monetary gain. Giving your time
to some one else can be more rewarding than anything else, Right- That
is what this group does. Image that back on FAQ's
I personally want to thank all of those who give their time and energy
to HELP those of us who need it. If it takes all of you as
much time to research something before you post as it does me, 90% of
your efforts are done off-line and we get the 10% of your time here.
Thanks for the 100% of your time.
Doris
Why do women wear evening gowns
to nightclubs? Shouldn't they wear night gowns?
Carol Millar
As a dealer I can't believe that you aren't aware that many dealers
choose to sell only certain "quality" items regardless of whether they
can turn a penny on something else of lesser quality. Has something to
do with their reputation I think. (I wouldn't know because I never had
that kind of reputation to protect. :-)
What a shame you have such a negative attitude toward people doing nice
things for others.
Here's another tale for you to scoff at and frankly I don't consider it
"tooting my own horn". It's just something I did, and nothing compared
to what a lot of other people in the antique business do.
I used to buy antiques from a little old lady for book price and more,
because she had no income and was really very hard up. She referred me
to two of her friends "because I paid so well", and I started buying
from them also. When they came up with two more friends I had to call a
halt because I really couldn't afford to take any more losses on their
items. I lost several hundred dollars over a couple of year period, but
I was only part time and had a well paying full time job so it was no
big deal.
So go ahead and hooey me too. I am more than happy to join the ranks
with Reyne.
Carol
ReyneH
Good job - glad to see you joined the hooey ranks.
Anyone else?
Mari miller
I have nothing but the deepest respect for your expertise as well as
your opinion. As far as my asking to be flamed (again), since when has
it been necessary for me to question a members veracity to be flamed?:-)
If you'll recall around Christmas it was my 'gift" to the ng to stop
posting just because a few regulars were making it miserable for
everyone by maliciously flaming everything I wrote.
It was wrong of beeedwoman to blanket indite ALL east coast dealers. I
simply felt Reyne went a little overboard in her example of 'honesty' on
the Eastern seaboard. Perhaps if I'd worded it a little differently, (ie
you're pulling our leg, eh Reyne?) it would not be considered
flame-worthy. I was not belittling Reynes wares so much as putting a
price on what MOST dealers will 'give away' simply because it's
'beneath' them.
I did include IMO:-) in the second post, certainly something each and
every member of this group SHOULD be entitled to without being
threatened by flaming. :-)
I have learned a helluva lot from Reyne in the past year. I respect her
knowledge and appreciate her contributions to this group regarding fine
antique glassware. Her standing in the high visibility antique
community is unquestionable. However, I believe her sojourn to 'weekend'
yard sales needed a little reality check re: her 'ho hummel' tale of
eastern integrity. If an item is underpriced and it's not something you
deal in, why buy it at ANY price? (yard sale tip # 32, be sure to
include pen & paper to write down addresses of recipients of additional
money for under-priced items!??) IMO A much better deed would be leaving
it for the collector or dealer who'll be DELIGHTED to get such a
bargain. again, IMVERYHO:-) That is, and was, the crux of my original
response. I hereby apologize to you, Reyne, Carol, Doris and everybody
else who took offense. Not to mention those who are frantically getting
ready to flame me 'with Mike's blessing."
I do, did, and always will belive there are more good people in the
world than bad, you Mike, are one of the good ones. Sorry for invoking
your wrath:-) mari
Mari miller
Carol Millar wrote:
>As a dealer I can't believe that you aren't >aware
>that many dealers choose to sell only certain
>"quality" items regardless of whether they can
>turn a penny on something else of lesser
>quality. Has something to do with their
>reputation I think. (I wouldn't know because I
>never had that kind of reputation to protect. :-)
Carol,
As a dealer I am VERY aware that some dealers do in fact specialize in
'quality' items of limited availability. As far as reputation is
concerned, my 'Charles Manson Original 1971 Courtroom Drawing' on yabe
says just how low _I'LL_ go to make a buck.:-)
Before you go placing someone on a glass pedestel however, you might
check out deja for just how much 'quality' has to do with turning a
'penny' in this _particular_ case. The injured party has in the past
listed under 'for sale' such items as- Two baseball cards, a mechanical
bank, a crocodile ladies purse, a pairr of Cigar Cufflinks, a Bob Mackie
Barbie Doll, and (this is MY favorite,) Beanies Galore! okay, she used
this to sell a book on auctions, but we're talking ethics, right? ( fwiw
under WTB she was looking for a Princess Beanie Baby.)
>What a shame you have such a negative
>attitude toward people doing nice things for
>others.
On the contrary, in defense of all the real kindnesses done by truely
selfless people, I pointed out what IMO just didn't ring true. I have
already apologized for any offense that statement might have made in
another post, but I wanted you to know that as a dealer, I'm aware of
what 'specializing' means in the trade. apples and
oranges IMHO:-)
mari
Mike Wilcox
Hi Mari, thank you for your apology to all involved, you are probably
aware that I do what I can to douse the flames before they get out of
control and would be the last one to give my blessing to flaming anyone
;~)). My primary reason for responding to your post was just to let you
know that you were going to be " In for it " if you continued along that
line and I don't think for a minute you really want to go go through all
that again. Challenging the veracity of anyone's personal story is never
a good idea, there are no witnesses to the event, no smoking gun to
implicate the accused, only the evidence provided by the story teller. I
usually base my judgements about people on past experiences with them,
in this medium all I or anyone else can go on is the content of what
they write, in Reyne's case the content of her past posts gives me no
cause to doubt her story, especially when it's one similar to several
I've seen enacted over the years by friends and dealers I've known. I
know you are still bothered by the reaction to your account of the Lamp
auction where everything went way too cheap, but I think sometimes we
have to follow Pumba's advice ( The Wart Hog in the lion king) and
" But our behinds in our past" ;~))
ReyneH
>As a dealer I am VERY aware that some dealers do in fact specialize in
>'quality' items of limited availability. As far as reputation is
>concerned, my 'Charles Manson Original 1971 Courtroom Drawing' on yabe
>says just how low _I'LL_ go to make a buck.:-)
** Boy, you really sent the ball into my court, but I'll be kind and won't
touch that one.
> Before you go placing someone on a glass pedestel however, you might
>check out deja for just how much 'quality' has to do with turning a
>'penny' in this _particular_ case. The injured party has in the past
>listed under 'for sale' such items as- Two baseball cards, a mechanical
>bank, a crocodile ladies purse, a pairr of Cigar Cufflinks, a Bob Mackie
>Barbie Doll, and (this is MY favorite,) Beanies Galore!
** Really? Beanies? Ok, you peaked my curiosity (and Damn you must really like
me to want to know so much about me to track down my 391 For Sale postings and
other related antiques conversations in rec.antiques.marketplace and
rec.antiques to go back 5 yrs)....
If you type in Reyne you get 391 matches - however not all are me. (and this
starts from 1995)
There are 3 postings for my book. Book I - 1999 Guide to Online Auctions and
Vol II of the same book. Which, thanks for Barnes and Noble, Borders Books and
Walden books are all sold out - and they are asking for Vol III (since I have
to respond to such silliness where will i find the time???)
To learn more about my book since you seem to find it interesting...
http://www.auctionbook.com
Then, for general antiques discussion there were another 55 postings.
(that doesnt even include the glass thread marathon Ronnie and I just finished)
Under the items for sale I found: 76 postings give or take a couple
Items listed were:
Art Pottery, Depression Glass (yup, I used to have 7 complete sets of the stuff
- now I only have 2, forgive me for selling off unwanted personal items) -
Handel Lamps, Steuben, Kosta Glass, Daulton Lambeth, Art Nouveau Lamp, Jewelry
(another personal favorite of mine), Compacts, Tiffany, Pate Sur Pate,
Collectors Books (extra copies, things out of date, no longer needed - every
dealer has them) Hardy Boys Books (husbands stuff - yes, someone really married
me) - Lamps, Loetz, Arts and Crafts Items (no not handicrafts but the period)
Boston Sandwich, Vintage Postcards (caught me selling my personal things
again), Silvercrest, Vaseline Glass, Renoir Drawing, Misc Art, Gorham Mix
Metals, African Ebony (where did I get that?) Danish Silver, Galle Lamp, Royal
Worchester, Art Glass, Commercial Perfumes, Icarts, Matchsafe (damn I quit
smoking then), Schneider, Remington Bronze, Barbies (ooohhh those dreaded
things my 10 and 7 yr old NO LONGER PLAY WITH) Silver Tea Set, IBM PC (ok, you
caught me, not an antique either), Sectional Couch (rats, too new for me!) and
the Cigar Cufflinks (another of my better halfs unwanted items)
So far I can see how you wouldn't find the majority of these things to be what
I specialize in...you know - 20th Century Decorative Arts with emphasis on Art
Glass from the Art Nouveau Era..
Lets keep going (Mike, I'm on a troll roll!)
Under the WTB postings I found 27 postings (give or take a few)
Sterling silver, Tiffany bronze, Art glass, venetial glass, fry foval (I have a
whole kitchen full), Maxfield Parrish, Tiffany, jewelry, art-glass shades,
paintings, A & C items (yup again, not craft things but the period), Lamps,
Stickley furniture, cigar memoribilia, bakelite, James Taylor tickets (ain't he
great!), Roycroft, Spratling, Who's Who in American Art (can't do without it)
and a Davenports.
So that totals: Around 126 (like I said, give or take a few)
>okay, she used this to sell a book on auctions, but we're talking ethics,
right?
** What is wrong with writing a book about what at that time was one of the
hottest topics out there? (online auctions) and considering I own one...I know
a "little" about them and how they work. What maybe you don't know is in the
first book we covered 85 auctions and over 250 in the second edition. There are
now over 1000 - but then it really isn't an interesting subject is it?
( fwiw
>under WTB she was looking for a Princess Beanie Baby.)
>
** Yes, my 7 yr old wanted one about a year ago. She has one now, no need to
sell me yours.
Mike Wilcox
>
> Carol Millar wrote:
> >As a dealer I can't believe that you aren't >aware
> >that many dealers choose to sell only certain
> >"quality" items regardless of whether they can
> >turn a penny on something else of lesser
> >quality. Has something to do with their
> >reputation I think. (I wouldn't know because I
> >never had that kind of reputation to protect. :-)
>
> Carol,
> 'quality' items of limited availability. As far as reputation is
> concerned, my 'Charles Manson Original 1971 Courtroom Drawing' on yabe
> says just how low _I'LL_ go to make a buck.:-)
> check out deja for just how much 'quality' has to do with turning a
> 'penny' in this _particular_ case. The injured party has in the past
> listed under 'for sale' such items as- Two baseball cards, a mechanical
> bank, a crocodile ladies purse, a pairr of Cigar Cufflinks, a Bob Mackie
> this to sell a book on auctions, but we're talking ethics, right? ( fwiw
> under WTB she was looking for a Princess Beanie Baby.)
>
> >attitude toward people doing nice things for
> >others.
>
> On the contrary, in defense of all the real kindnesses done by truely
> selfless people, I pointed out what IMO just didn't ring true. I have
> already apologized for any offense that statement might have made in
> another post, but I wanted you to know that as a dealer, I'm aware of
> what 'specializing' means in the trade. apples and
> oranges IMHO:-)
> mari
Mari I have tried to warn you, but now you have managed to turn an
apology into a personal attack. In the past I came to your aid when I
thought attacks on you had gone too far and had become personal, now you
are using the same smear tactics on others. I'm sorry that you feel you
have lash out in this way, but it doesn't mean I or anyone else in this
group has to put up with it. You are now in my kill file.
Ronnie McKinley
>You are now in my kill file.
"NOW" ... You mean she wasn't already!!!!???!!!!!
Ronnie
=====
Trailer Park Antiques
--------------------------------
Ronnie McKinley
>In the past I came to your aid when I
>thought attacks on you had gone too far and had become personal, now you
>are using the same smear tactics on others.
"using the same smear tactics??" ... just a point of order, Mike.
"Smear tactics" over here, usually imply slander, ie: malicious and
false statements. To put the record straight, Mike, there were no
"smear tactics" and no feeble-minded attempt to do such a thing, it
was all quod erat demonstrandum. Lets not pick open old scabs, but
there's no comparison, and it's rather unfair to drawn such a
comparison.
Ronnie
=====
Mike Wilcox
My apologies Ronnie for my poor choice of words, I believe the point I
was trying to make at that time was that things had simply gone to far
and were IMO becoming personal attacks. I'm all for backing up one's
position with facts up to a point, but when in this present case ( Mari
attacking Reyne)it became an attempt to belittle or besmirch a
reputation ,I felt that I should bring up the point to Mari that she was
attempting to do exactly what she had felt* others had done to her and
give it a rest for her own sake. But as we have seen it fell on deaf
ears.
* Her own view as expressed in past posts.
Tina Sutherland
want? People keep the good stuff...either for themselves, or to pass on in
a different venue. I'd hate to be judged by what I put in the garbage, or
sell at a garage sale, or by what I sell on E Bay. Those are things I don't
want in my home, or in my shop.
I have sold GI Joes stuff on E Bay...I have sold horrid Llardo figures
on E Bay....those things don't have anything to do with my taste...except
to show that I had the good taste to get rid of them.
Tina
Gary & lois Edwards
good deal, or even donate something of value to a good cause......even if I
take a loss......not all the time, obviously, but enough so I fulfill "MY"
expectations of what a good person would do. Join me in the hooey club, I
think my dues have been paid.
Lois E.
ReyneH <rey...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000312152151...@ng-de1.aol.com...
> Carol
>
> Good job - glad to see you joined the hooey ranks.
>
> Anyone else?
>
>
ReyneH
Gary & lois Edwards
> Three cheers for Lois!!
Thank you......blush
Lois E.
Claudmjr
"pique".....just my one cents worth ;-)
Cyanogirl
>
>>>Hey Ryene, our Cyn in 6 inch stiletto heels WOW!! not so bad, but the
>>>thought of that bloody whip of hers, just scares me stiff. ;>
>
>
>>Isn't that the point?
>
>Yea, it's hand on the old pencil lead.
>
>
>Ronnie
>=====
I've got some 'cuffs with your name on them, Ronnie dearest. I'm sure there
are lots of people who want to use them on you, but I've got first dibs. :)