Reincarnation Ronnie ?? !!
jJim Horne
!!!!! ; ))) It`s his spitting image Folks : )))
www.dustystuff.co.uk/dustystuffpage12.htm
Ever found these kind of resemblances ??
Jim
Gerald Clough
> Recent buy !! you will believe in re-incarnation when you see this Ronnie
> !!!!! ; ))) It`s his spitting image Folks : )))
> www.dustystuff.co.uk/dustystuffpage12.htm
Sure it's reincarnation? Meybe he's just an *antique* dealer?
--
Gerald Clough
"Nothing has any value, unless you know you can give it up."
jJim Horne
Ronnie McKinley wrote in message ...
>In rec.antiques "jJim Horne" <j...@horne111.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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>>Recent buy !! you will believe in re-incarnation when you see this Ronnie
>>!!!!! ; ))) It`s his spitting image Folks : )))
>>www.dustystuff.co.uk/dustystuffpage12.htm
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> ... btw, is that a painting or a print?
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>Dutch Geek
Ha ! you`ll still be using the grecian 2000 then ?
!!! : ))
Its a painting, a watercolour, dated 1875, a copy of the original oil
painting. The subject is John Erskine, Earl of Mar ( The family are still
our local Nobs ) Regent of Scotland C.1572.........and your double Ronnie to
boot !!! : ) what a cracker of a beard though : ))
Jim
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jJim Horne
Ronnie McKinley wrote in message ...
>In rec.antiques "jJim Horne" <j...@horne111.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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>>Its a painting, a watercolour,
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Sorry Sir....tis a watercolour right enough !
>>dated 1875, a copy of the original oil painting. The subject is
>> John Erskine, Earl of Mar ( The family are still our local Nobs )
>
>Local Nobs? - the Yanks won't get that one. Thought the class system
>was dead finished in the UK? Whatever happened to the classless
>society? :)
The classless society , naw naw , we need somebody tae steal frae : ))) The
latest lad young Jamie , now called Lord Balfour ( a direct descendent of
matey in the picture ) had 2 of his Antique stone urns nicked from his drive
at bit ago, .........he made a plea in the local rag for their return....and
the fruit was a raspberry : )))
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>Tell ya a story sometime about our local 'nobs' ... well the old Lady is
>now senile and her daughter has taken over the estate, a right snobby
>bitch, no class whatsoever.
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>> Regent of Scotland C.1572
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>Oh right. Didn't the Erskines turn into a load of old Jacobites? :)
Correct , I might be wrong but one of the Earls of Mar ( John ? )
fought as a Jacobite at the short lived Battle of Sherriffmuir, about 8
miles from me, I reckon there were more spectators and corpse herriers than
participants in the Battle !!!!
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>>.........and your double Ronnie to
>>boot !!! : ) what a cracker of a beard though : ))
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>I had a beard like that in the '60s ... a nice ginger colour ;>)
>
I can jist see ye !! the copy of " Finnegans Wake " Stickin oot yer Parka
pocket : )))
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>--
>Lord Muck of the Island
>Ist Earl of All I Can See
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jJim Horne
Ronnie McKinley wrote in message
>In rec.antiques "jJim Horne" <j...@horne111.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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>>The classless society , naw naw , we need somebody tae steal frae : )))
The
>>latest lad young Jamie , now called Lord Balfour ( a direct descendent of
>>matey in the picture ) had 2 of his Antique stone urns nicked from his
drive
>>at bit ago, .........he made a plea in the local rag for their
return....and
>>the fruit was a raspberry : )))
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>these, YET?
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>http://www.dustystuff.co.uk/dustystuffpage1.htm
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>How big !! was the reward offered? ;>)
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>Ronnie
LOL !!!! no that was some other lord, Lord Elpus again
!!! : ) BTW, I still havent got that Lion glued !!!!
Jim
jJim Horne
Ronnie McKinley wrote in message
>In rec.antiques "jJim Horne" <j...@horne111.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
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>> BTW, I still havent got that Lion glued !!!!
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>get everything done in the same year.
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Yes , I do tend to drive myself a bit too hard at times !!! : )
Jim
jJim Horne
Ronnie McKinley wrote in message
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>Not that any of this will mean much but here's a 'painting' - the little
>old lady in this, is a spit for our former picture framer, so much so
>that this painting is referred to (by us) as the name of the framer
>himself. Oh yes!! the framer in question is a he :)
>
>Btw. I HATE this bloody painting. For a number of reasons but mainly
>because the woman is so dog ugly. In fact, I believe it's not a real
>woman at all but one of those Jacobites in drag.
>
>But, Alison, loves this thing. Thinks it is very errrrr, primitive,
>with a certain charm of its own. Oh yea. So, here the gad damn thing
>hangs in all its shame :)
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>http://www.glenbourne-antiques.fsnet.co.uk/framer.jpg
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>(you'll of course know the main depiction in the painting? ;>) )
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>Ronnie
Hee- hee heee....... Thats brilliant Ronnie, I nearly
choked on ma purritch !! What on earth is she / he carrying on that plate ?
the tailfin from a small Spitfire ?? or the dorsal fin from an large Chub
!!! : ))) She is a bruiser, look at the bloody forearm !!!! wow ! she`s
the blacksmith in drag.; ) and the guy talking to Burns has a beak like one
of the Muppets, the Eagle guy : ))
Yes, there sits Rabbie in his favorite place ( bar one
; )) and he is depicted in fancy Georgian gear , so he must have been famous
at that time, or just come back from a Masonic meeting : )) ( whats the
history of the picture ?? ), ( 19th C ? )
I am with Alison, I like the painting too, it made me
smile and does conjure up a wee snapshot of the late 18th C , which at least
in Burns home social life was " primative ".
That sort of Composition would have been done by Painters like David Allan
A local boy to here ! and therein hangs a tale for another day ) , a
friend of Burns, he painted, at least latterly, scenes from Scottish peasant
life in the style of Hogarth.
Jim
jJim Horne
Ronnie McKinley wrote in message
>
>Well that's another thing I don't like about this painting. Did point it
>out at the time to, Ali. Surely to god this thing has been cut? The guy
>with the large beak is way too close to the edge of the frame. IMO,
>there's a bit cut off to his right. Maybe it was damaged at some time
>and that bit was whacked aff. If not, then it's a lousy composition.
Looks like it has been cut down, maybe 1/3rd off
the right, as you say. Now if the original can be found we can be sure, do
you think an Amateur would think, " I know , I`ll paint a picture of Rabbie
Burns sitting in his local having a bevvy with his publisher " ( ? ).......
; ) I think an original lurks somewhere ? maybe a print in a book . The
big lass could be " Poosie Nancy " , famous for carrying in the Haggis and
wearing a " mutch " cap.
Hmmm.
>Bought at a Christie' sale in Glasgow. In the days when Christie's
>actually had sales in Glasgow :) I'd say 19thC, painted by a self-taught
>artist (used in the widest sense) - it sure is boggin' and could maybe
>benefit with a good cleaning, but then it may loss some of that charm :)
>
As you say, dont lose that charm : ) Its fine.
Btw What size is it anyway ?
Jim
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>Ronnie
jJim Horne
Ronnie McKinley wrote in message ...
>In rec.antiques "jJim Horne" <j...@horne111.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Now if the original can be found we can be sure, do
>>you think an Amateur would think, " I know , I`ll paint a picture of
Rabbie
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>An amateur yes, but that doesn't mean the artist didn't have any
>imagination of his(her) own :)
>
>> I think an original lurks somewhere ? maybe a print in a book .
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>>The big lass could be " Poosie Nancy " , famous for carrying in the Haggis
and
>>wearing a " mutch " cap.
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>could well be a depiction of Agnes "Poosie Nansie" Gibson herself (gad
>help her poor old husband) or could be the half-wit daughter 'Racer
>Jess' although I couldn't imagine that little lady speedily running many
>errands ;>)
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>Anyways ....
>
>http://www.e-ayrshire.co.uk/local/sornweb/poosiekitchen.html
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>> Btw What size is it anyway ?
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>Ronnie
I will keep an eye out Ronnie, could well have been a local
artist to Mauchline or so, with " artistic " license , I bet he waited till
" Poosie " was well deid before he immortalised her !!! or she might have "
gar him sic a cloot " ; )))
Jim
jJim Horne
>appears to have died 1813, and they are buried, along with the husband,
>"Black Geordie" Gibson, at St Michael's Parish Church(yard), Mauchline.
>So nip over and check the dates on the headstone, there's a good pal. :)
>
>
>IMO, the painting is about c1830-35. The format is crap, so is the
>frame. With the bit (which I believe is) cut off, put back on, the
>format would be more in keeping with the period and a nice plain heavy
>rosewood, or simulated/scumbled rosewood frame would make a big
>difference, maybe then I could live better with that old hen. I bought
>it to sell and at the time could (would) have sold it with a handsome
>profit, all the rage and fashion. But SHMBO took it prisoner, the kiss
>of death.
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>(FWIW, Chritie's sold it as late Georgian 19thC oil on canvas ... but
>then paper never refuses ink :>) )
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>Ronnie
Well, it wont eat a piece, as they say, it should be
above that fireplace of yours. Alison has good taste Ronnie, you are too
feart of the Bank Manager : ))) ( Do you think we are boring these good
people ??? ) ; )
Jim
Mike Brown
<j...@horne111.fsnet.co.uk> scribbled the following message:
->( Do you think we are boring these good
->people ??? ) ; )
->
-> Jim
->
What, boring - no fear. I could sit a listen in all day. Especially
happy to have seen Ronnie's passport photo :-)
Mike
jJim Horne
Ronnie McKinley wrote in message
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>
>Anyways, staying on the comic theme. Here's a Scottish painter, a former
>pupil of William Allan and Thomas Duncan.
>
>This (probably) from one of his studio sketch pads. Now I like this one.
>Not that refined, but he was certainly a fine artist and painter, this
>is merely a study or just a doodle.
>
>Shown actual size, click on it for a bigger view which you can then save
>and load into something like Adobe Photoshop, zoom it up to about 200%
>and have a good look see.
>
>(Reminds me a bit of Jon Dennington ;>) )
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>
>http://www.glenbourne-antiques.fsnet.co.uk/nicol.html
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>
>(this is behind glass (and mucky glass at that) so it was a bit
>difficult to capture)
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>Ronnie
Aye, through a glass darkly.... it is a cracking
little picture, a lucky find ? Nicol is highly rated in Ireland ( and
elsewhere I imagine, though I must admit....I hadnt seen his work before : )
I am a simple ploughman......err no I am not !!!!
but found this http://www.jamesadam.ie/3066/019.jpg yes he could paint
: )))
Btw, poor John Dennington, I hope he is well !
Jim
Jon Dennington
> Aye, through a glass darkly.... it is a cracking
> little picture, a lucky find ? Nicol is highly rated in Ireland ( and
> elsewhere I imagine, though I must admit....I hadnt seen his work before : )
> I am a simple ploughman......err no I am not !!!!
> but found this http://www.jamesadam.ie/3066/019.jpg yes he could paint
> : )))
> Btw, poor John Dennington, I hope he is well !
>
> Jim
>>>>>>>>>>>Well thanks, Jim, I **really** need the sympathy vote at
the moment!! Apparently my bones are crumbling, so hobbling around on
crutches last week to relieve my broken right knee, caused me to break
my *LEFT* ankle. I've been totally stuck in bed for a week, in extreme
pain, so thank goodness for my WI-FI laptop and internet access.
I sent some old photos of items to be valued by Bonhams, and "Fat
Bloke" (T had a copy of the picture on a website) is definitely 17thC
Chinese.
Talking of paintings, I have two tiny, (1.5" x 1") square framed
watercolour views of the Thames from around 1780. I will probably put
these up for sale soon because they could easily get damaged or
spoilt, but I have no idea of value ....other than $100 the pair!!
8)....in fact, HOW do you value such items (Mike?). When I was a
general dealer, I hated having items in that I had never seen before,
as I could never pitch the 'correct' value, other than more than I
paid for it.
Oh well that's enough horizontal typing for the moment......
Cheers
Jon
Jim Horne
Jon Dennington wrote in message
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>>
>> Aye, through a glass darkly.... it is a cracking
>> little picture, a lucky find ? Nicol is highly rated in Ireland ( and
>> elsewhere I imagine, though I must admit....I hadnt seen his work before
: )
>> I am a simple ploughman......err no I am not !!!!
>> but found this http://www.jamesadam.ie/3066/019.jpg yes he could paint
>> : )))
>> Btw, poor John Dennington, I hope he is well !
>>
>> Jim
>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Well thanks, Jim, I **really** need the sympathy vote at
>the moment!! Apparently my bones are crumbling, so hobbling around on
>crutches last week to relieve my broken right knee, caused me to break
>my *LEFT* ankle. I've been totally stuck in bed for a week, in extreme
>pain, so thank goodness for my WI-FI laptop and internet access.
Hi Jon, thats a bummer man, you surely do have my sympathy,
wishing good heath to you in the future.
Jim
Jim Horne
Jim Horne wrote in message ...
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>Jon Dennington wrote in message
><4fd658e0.04031...@posting.google.com>...
>>>
>>> Aye, through a glass darkly.... it is a cracking
>>> little picture, a lucky find ? Nicol is highly rated in Ireland ( and
>>> elsewhere I imagine, though I must admit....I hadnt seen his work before
>: )
>>> I am a simple ploughman......err no I am not !!!!
>>> but found this http://www.jamesadam.ie/3066/019.jpg yes he could paint
>>> : )))
>>> Btw, poor John Dennington, I hope he is well !
>>>
>>> Jim
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well thanks, Jim, I **really** need the sympathy vote at
>>the moment!! Apparently my bones are crumbling, so hobbling around on
>>crutches last week to relieve my broken right knee, caused me to break
>>my *LEFT* ankle. I've been totally stuck in bed for a week, in extreme
>>pain, so thank goodness for my WI-FI laptop and internet access.
>
> Hi Jon, thats a bummer man, you surely do have my sympathy,
Mike Wilcox
Hi Jon,
I'm sorry to hear you're having such medical problems, I have a friend over here
as well with the same condition, on top of just coming through breast cancer. In
regards to your wee Thames views are they marked in any way? Could you send me an
image or two ( on the house ;~)
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Jon Dennington
>
> I'm sorry to hear you're having such medical problems, I have a friend over here
> as well with the same condition, on top of just coming through breast cancer. In
> regards to your wee Thames views are they marked in any way? Could you send me an
> image or two ( on the house ;~)
>
>
> --
> Mike Wilcox
>>>>>>Hi Mike..... everyone should be able to see the Minipics.jpg
photo (now without registering) at:
http://www.photobox.co.uk/public/detail.html?c_album=601168
Click on the minipics image, and then double click again to get the
full size image.
The first painting is called "Royal Barge on the Thames" (written in
ink on the back of the painting) and the other is "Balmoral". The
image size of each is about 2" x 1". I have no doubt that they are
contemporary (late 18thC??)
Thanks
Jon
Jim Horne
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>> Mike Wilcox
>
>>>>>>>Hi Mike..... everyone should be able to see the Minipics.jpg
>photo (now without registering) at:
>
>http://www.photobox.co.uk/public/detail.html?c_album=601168
>
>Click on the minipics image, and then double click again to get the
>full size image.
>
>The first painting is called "Royal Barge on the Thames" (written in
>ink on the back of the painting) and the other is "Balmoral". The
>image size of each is about 2" x 1". I have no doubt that they are
>contemporary (late 18thC??)
>
>Thanks
>
>Jon
Hi Jon,
That dish 4" dia, is very like Lowestoft , but for
the brown rim.... must be chinese.
Jim
Jon Dennington
Excellent observation, Jim.
Bonhams (London) reckoned it as late 19th C Japanese Imari and I
**know** it is late 18C **CHINESE** !!! It is underglaze decorated
with a delft type, blue-ish tin glaze.
What would shell out for this at trade price Jim?? I reckon it would
go out at 90-120 ukp???
Cheers
Jon
Jim Horne
>> >> Mike Wilcox
>>
>> >
>> >http://www.photobox.co.uk/public/detail.html?c_album=601168
>> >
>> >Click on the minipics image, and then double click again to get the
>> >full size image.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Jon
>>
>> Hi Jon,
>> That dish 4" dia, is very like Lowestoft , but
for
>> the brown rim.... must be chinese.
>> Jim
>
>
>Excellent observation, Jim.
>
>Bonhams (London) reckoned it as late 19th C Japanese Imari and I
>**know** it is late 18C **CHINESE** !!! It is underglaze decorated
>with a delft type, blue-ish tin glaze.
>
>What would shell out for this at trade price Jim?? I reckon it would
>go out at 90-120 ukp???
>
>Cheers
>
>Jon
Hi Jon,
Well I dont know that much on prices , but you cant be
far away at that, maybe a little bit more like 60 - 80 ukp, ? at 4 " its
small for a tea bowl saucer, what is it ? a soy sauce dish ?
Nice anyway.
Cheers
Jim
T-13
There's the little Blanc de Chine Buddah. Long time no see!
As far as I know, a thing like the dish in question is just called a
"saucer dish".
I'd be inclined to think that Jim is shooting a little low, but
maybe that's just me. We don't see a lot of good 18th Century
stuff over here. Very little. You guys had a much more active
trade with the Chinese in that period of time. Hell, we were still
mostly just trying to kill off the heathen Indians and take over
the continent in the 18th Century.
Let me tell you, the Indians I know are STILL pissed off about that.
What's up with that Ginger Jar, Dr. Jon?
Late or early?
T.
Jim Horne
T-13 wrote in message ...
SOLD ! to the guy in the Stetson
with the arrows stickin into it !!!! : )
We don't see a lot of good 18th Century
>stuff over here. Very little. You guys had a much more active
>trade with the Chinese in that period of time. Hell, we were still
>mostly just trying to kill off the heathen Indians and take over
>the continent in the 18th Century.
And when the Chinese were perfecting Porcelain, we were still persuading
the Vikings to go home !! : )) or there abouts !!!
Jim
T-13
> And when the Chinese were perfecting Porcelain, we were still persuading
>the Vikings to go home !! : )) or there abouts !!!
> Jim
>>
Saw a program about the Viking on television the other day.
They first attacked the monasteries on the English shores.
Good thinking, eh?
They must have hauled away tons of good shit. ;)
T.