Another artist question please.
Elizabeth
please?
Many thanks
Liz
Carol Millar
James Burrell Smith.
Carol
Smorgass Bored
more specific?
eliza...@nospamearthlink.net (Elizabeth) Another artist question
please.
Does anyone know the dates for the birth and death of J.B.Smith please?
Many thanks
Liz
Doug W.
~>*)))>< Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~
Carol Millar
says she has health problems then I have no reason not to accept that at face
value. It is certainly none of my business, or yours for that matter, what
being housebound means in her case.
If you don't like her question there is a key called Delete you can use and you
don't even have to be bothered reading it.
Carol
tran...@finfin.com wrote:
> "Being often fairly housebound by health matters when I am interested
> in something, I usually ask on the internet groups such as this."
>
> Are you saying that things you are interested in make you sick?;)
> And what do you mean by "fairly housebound"? Does this mean you are
> housebound when it makes a good excuse? If I were to check DejaNews would I
> find any evidence that you are NOT an invalid in you previous post to
> other newsgroups?
> So, in reply, I say, Bullshit, Lady. Tell it to your Mother.
> Nobody else is buying.
> T.
>
> --
> "Sometimes I dream of Charlotte Sometimes," the great Robert Smith.
>
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Rich Maxson
>My art book just shows "19th century" for the era of British artist
>James Burrell Smith.
If this is the correct JBS, his dates are 1822-1897.
--
Rich Maxson
Misery Bay Antiques
Muncy, Pennsylvania & Dallas, Texas
tran...@finfin.com
please?Many thanksLiz"
Liz, a couple of questions for you, too. Fair is fair.
Is the name of this group alt.freeinformationservice ?
Did it occur to you at all that Smith is a very common name
and that there might be more than one J. B. Smith in the world?
The only one I ever knew (or heard of) was a Geometry teacher.
He is still alive as far as I know.
Get thee to the library and do your own research you lazy bum.
tran...@finfin.com
in something, I usually ask on the internet groups such as this."
Are you saying that things you are interested in make you sick?;)
And what do you mean by "fairly housebound"? Does this mean you are
housebound when it makes a good excuse? If I were to check DejaNews would I
find any evidence that you are NOT an invalid in you previous post to
other newsgroups?
So, in reply, I say, Bullshit, Lady. Tell it to your Mother.
Nobody else is buying.
Elizabeth
>"Does anyone know the dates for the birth and death of J.B.Smith
>please?Many thanksLiz"
>
>Liz, a couple of questions for you, too. Fair is fair.
>
>Is the name of this group alt.freeinformationservice ?
>
>Did it occur to you at all that Smith is a very common name
>and that there might be more than one J. B. Smith in the world?
>The only one I ever knew (or heard of) was a Geometry teacher.
>He is still alive as far as I know.
>
>Get thee to the library and do your own research you lazy bum.
>T.
Being often fairly housebound by health matters when I am interested
in something, I usually ask on the internet groups such as this. I
have asked questions here before and received what I believe to be
honest answers, from friendly people without the sarcastic rudeness
which you have shown. I am well aware of the amount of Smiths in the
world, but there surely cannot be very many J.B.Smiths who are
artists. As for this group being an information service as you put it,
I thought it was in fact a place where one can come to ask questions
and receive answers. In other groups such as the dog groups where I
have a certain amount of expertise, I am only too happy to answer
questions if I can, and hopefully do it without the sarcasm you have
shown.
Elizabeth
<cmi...@mw.mediaone.net> wrote:
>My art book just shows "19th century" for the era of British artist
>James Burrell Smith.
>
>Carol
Thank you Carol.
I had not heard of the James Burrel part before.
Liz
Elizabeth
Doug
I know no more than the name and initials I'm afraid - and that he was
an artist and maybe English, although I am not certain.
Liz
Elizabeth
>"Being often fairly housebound by health matters when I am interested
>in something, I usually ask on the internet groups such as this."
>
>
>Are you saying that things you are interested in make you sick?;)
>And what do you mean by "fairly housebound"? Does this mean you are
>housebound when it makes a good excuse? If I were to check DejaNews would I
>find any evidence that you are NOT an invalid in you previous post to
>other newsgroups?
>So, in reply, I say, Bullshit, Lady. Tell it to your Mother.
>Nobody else is buying.
>T.
>
>
I will make this my last reply to you and state publicly that I hope
you never have to go through the torment of cancer and several other
problems as I have done and still do. You seem to be a very unhappy
person who gives no useful help in this newsgroup.
Liz
Smorgass Bored
How old do you 'think' your painting is? What is the subject matter? Can
you 'eliminate' any Smiths?
Jack Smith- b.1928-
John Burrell Smith- b.1822-d.1897
John Brandon Smith- b.1848-d.1884
Joline Butler Smith- No Dates
Joseph B. Smith- b.1798-d.1876
Joelle Smith- No Dates
Juanita Smith-No Dates
Multiple John Smiths- No Dates
Take your pick...........
John T Maguire
(Elizabeth) wrote:
>On Wed, 04 Nov 1998 00:56:27 GMT, tran...@finfin.com wrote:
>
>>"Does anyone know the dates for the birth and death of J.B.Smith
>>please?Many thanksLiz"
>>
>>Liz, a couple of questions for you, too. Fair is fair.
>>
>>Is the name of this group alt.freeinformationservice ?
>>
>>Did it occur to you at all that Smith is a very common name
>>and that there might be more than one J. B. Smith in the world?
>>The only one I ever knew (or heard of) was a Geometry teacher.
>>He is still alive as far as I know.
>>
>>Get thee to the library and do your own research you lazy bum.
>>T.
>Being often fairly housebound by health matters when I am interested
>in something, I usually ask on the internet groups such as this. I
>have asked questions here before and received what I believe to be
>honest answers, from friendly people without the sarcastic rudeness
>which you have shown. I am well aware of the amount of Smiths in the
>world, but there surely cannot be very many J.B.Smiths who are
>artists. As for this group being an information service as you put it,
>I thought it was in fact a place where one can come to ask questions
>and receive answers. In other groups such as the dog groups where I
>have a certain amount of expertise, I am only too happy to answer
>questions if I can, and hopefully do it without the sarcasm you have
>shown.
Forgive us, we have had a bad week aol in aol...
John T Maguire
Mousam River Software, Mousam River BBS - Home of Mutley's Page!
http://www.mousam-river.com
Visiting Maine? Drop by http://www.kportmaine.com
Esengo
>How old do you 'think' your painting is? What is the subject matter? Can
>you 'eliminate' any Smiths?
>Jack Smith- b.1928-
>John Burrell Smith- b.1822-d.1897
>John Brandon Smith- b.1848-d.1884
>Joline Butler Smith- No Dates
>Joseph B. Smith- b.1798-d.1876
>Joelle Smith- No Dates
>Juanita Smith-No Dates
>Multiple John Smiths- No Dates
> Take your pick...........
even a listed artist. Why not evaluate your painting based upon the subject
matter and esthetic value? Or take it to an appraiser. Or post a picture of
it for people to see. Just some ideas. Fayette
Rich Maxson
here. If this lady asked a vague question and it was in our purview to
help, that couldn't have been that heretical, could it?
She was not looking to buy or sell, didn't post a binary, and [still]
doesn't reply rudely. Granted, her request was extremely broad, but, if
someone has a handy reference out there and could point out 4 or 5 JBS's
with very little effort I think the original request was simply for dates],
what's so tough? This might be enough to point her in a direction to finish
her quest.
Her plea was innocent enough, certainly not worthy of some of the vitriol
spewed in her direction. The effort to research her posting habits would
have been better spent by simply pulling a book from one of our reference
libraries or just pointing her to an internet search engine which she may
not been aware of.
Many people who post demanding or just plain stupid requests here are worthy
of a "poke in the eye." Let's keep our perspective.
--
Rich Maxson
Misery Bay Antiques
Muncy, Pennsylvania & Dallas, Texas
===========================
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moment as a tissue in time holding past, future, and present,
with all of us in the red, everlasting debtors...in a universe of
inter-relatedness...Every man and woman is a speculum, our
mirror, Our twin. ...no man can make me hate. I have no
choice but to love others because I Am the others. Reason...
demands that I care for them as I do for myself. -- M.L. King
Olio's
john brandon 1848-1884
joseph b. 1798-1876
Hope that helps, Olio's
Elizabeth wrote:
> Does anyone know the dates for the birth and death of J.B.Smith
> please?
> Many thanks
> Liz
--
Antique and Collectible Superstore
http://www.antique-superstore.com
Marshall Schuon
>Allow me to be a voice of moderation, but I think we're getting way off base
>here. If this lady asked a vague question and it was in our purview to
>help, that couldn't have been that heretical, could it?
>She was not looking to buy or sell, didn't post a binary, and [still]
>doesn't reply rudely. Granted, her request was extremely broad, but, if
>someone has a handy reference out there and could point out 4 or 5 JBS's
>with very little effort I think the original request was simply for dates],
>what's so tough? This might be enough to point her in a direction to finish
>her quest.
>Her plea was innocent enough, certainly not worthy of some of the vitriol
>spewed in her direction. The effort to research her posting habits would
>have been better spent by simply pulling a book from one of our reference
>libraries or just pointing her to an internet search engine which she may
>not been aware of.
>Many people who post demanding or just plain stupid requests here are worthy
>of a "poke in the eye." Let's keep our perspective.
>--
>Rich Maxson
>Misery Bay Antiques
>Muncy, Pennsylvania & Dallas, Texas
>===========================
Well said, Rich.
Marshall
Elizabeth
(Smorgass Bored) wrote:
>Liz,
>How old do you 'think' your painting is? What is the subject matter? Can
>you 'eliminate' any Smiths?
>Jack Smith- b.1928-
>John Burrell Smith- b.1822-d.1897
>John Brandon Smith- b.1848-d.1884
>Joline Butler Smith- No Dates
>Joseph B. Smith- b.1798-d.1876
>Joelle Smith- No Dates
>Juanita Smith-No Dates
>Multiple John Smiths- No Dates
> Take your pick...........
>
> Doug W.
>~>*)))>< Big fish eat Little fish ><(((*<~
>
Hmm. Well Doug must thank you for all this info. The painting is dated
1858 and is a landscape about 36 x 30ins. It is of Brinkburn Priory in
Northumberland. England. Obviously done before the restoration which
is now complete. I am thinking that it must be either your John
Burrell or Joseph B. from the dates you have supplied. I did in fact
find a J.B.Smith painting on the internet for sale, but it is so
completely different (a single rose in brightish colours) that I tend
to think it is not by the same artist. I have had this painting for
over 30 years now and I seem to remember many years ago an art dealer
in England having many of J.B's similar to mine for sale and always
advertising them in the English Country Life Magazines. I have not
seen one of these mags in a long time now so do not know if he still
advertises or not. I believe his name was Grange or Greene.
I do appreciate your giving me this list. If by any chance this gives
you an idea of which one did my painting, please do let me know. I
must admit, while I like the painting, I am not crazy about it, but my
daughter has always loved it and of course it will be hers one day. I
suppose the Genealogist part of me would like to know a little more
about the artist.
Blessings
Liz
Elizabeth
Thank you Olio for your help. As you will see in my reply to Doug
earlier, I "think" I have it down to James Burell or Joseph B. Pretty
sure it is one or t'other.
Blessings
Liz
Gillam Kerley
>
> There are at 'least' 4 J.B. Smiths that I'm aware of,could you be
> more specific?
>
The one whose name appears on the November 12, 1984, guest list at the
No-Tell Motel.
GK
JGROUND
of class throughout alot of muck. I hope you find out everything you want to
know about your picture and keep posting, your posts seem to brighten this
place quite a bit.
Joan
Smorgass Bored
It would appear that this is your artist,judging by his other
'titles' and his penchant for watercolors. I could not find any info on
your J. Kelly (Hilly) Braunish/Branise........
SMITH, James Burrell 1822 - 1897
Date of the sale, title of work and medium used 08/09/98 -
Kanchenjunga from a Ridge a Few Miles South-East of Darjeeling, India -
Watercolour
21/08/98 - Figures on a Riverside Path - Watercolour/paper
04/06/98 - Kanchenjunga from a Ridge a few miles South-East of
Darjeeling, India - Watercolour
24/03/98 - Figures by an Italian Lake - Watercolour/paper 18/03/98 -
Fishing Vessels off a Rocky Coast - Watercolour
17/03/98 - On the Shore of a Lake - Watercolour
10/03/98 - Cattle Watering - Watercolour 11/02/98 - A Stormy Sea -
Oil/canvas
27/01/98 - An Angler in a River Landscape, a Castle beyond - Watercolour
21/11/97 - Picnicking Across The River, a Manor View - Watercolour,
gouache
15/11/97 - Figurer vid flodstrand - Oil/canvas 16/09/97 - Bamburgh
Castle - Watercolour/paper
10/09/97 - Extensive continental lake scene with figures, cattle..beside
a bridge - Watercolour 01/07/97 - A Family Gathered Outside a Parish
Church - Watercolour
22/05/97 - Figures on a riverside path, a Castle beyond - Watercolour
13/05/97 - Figure on a Path by a Mountain Stream - Watercolour
13/05/97 - Wooded Landscape with Figures Resting by a Road Leading to a
Village - Watercolour
11/03/97 - Scene on Loch Katrine Looking Towards the Trossachs -
Watercolour
30/01/97 - Figures beside a River in a Mountainous Landscape -
Watercolour 18/12/96 - Peasants resting on rocks on the Italian coast -
Watercolour/paper
14/11/96 - Alnwick Castle, Northumberland - Watercolour
18/09/96 - Castle at Chillon - Watercolour
18/09/96 - On the Brann, Perthshire - Watercolour
20/08/96 - A Highland Loch - Watercolour/paper 11/07/96 - The Hermitage,
Warkworth - Watercolour
27/03/96 - On the Ouse - Oil/canvas
25/02/96 - A Northumberland waterfall - Watercolour
02/11/95 - Driving the cattle - Watercolour 14/06/95 - Between
Derwentwater and Thirlmere - Watercolour
14/06/95 - Conway Castle, Wales - Watercolour <Snipped another 100
listings>
Smorgass Bored
I neglected to mention the prices realized for J.B. Smith works at
auction and thought that you might be interested in an 'range'. Smith's
works have been auctioned at many houses including
Christies,Sotheby's,Skinner,Phillips, etc. and prices seem to depend
upon the 'size' of the work..... IMO
Smaller watercolors range $200-$600
Larger sizes (including yours) $1,200-$3,970
All the information in my last two posts comes to you as an
courtesy of rec.antiques and at No Charge (for the time being).... You
were fortunate to find us at home and with some idle time........ IMO
<g>
ciao,
Ronnie McKinley
> The painting is dated
>1858 and is a landscape about 36 x 30ins. It is of Brinkburn Priory in
>Northumberland. England.
It's most likely James Burrell (Smith) fl.1850-1881 Landscape painter and
watercolourist (fairly common). Lived mainly at Alnwick, Northumberland.
Although sometimes James Burrell's work is confused with John Brandon (Smith)
and vice versa, both painted with similar subjects and similar dates. James
Burrell exhibited 1850-81 ONLY at the SS (Society of British Artists, became
'Royal' {RBS} 1887 while under the Presidency of Whistler)
....... Send a good detailed photo of your picture and a detail of the
signature to Christie's or Sotheby's (ENGLAND) and either will confirm the
artist as quick as a shake of a donkey's hind leg.
Ronnie
=====
Gillam Kerley
>
>
> Many people who post demanding or just plain stupid requests here are worthy
> of a "poke in the eye." Let's keep our perspective.
Thanks, Rich. Even when I find a serious post unintentionally humorous,
I'll generally wait a day or two to point it out, to avoid pre-empting
an informative reply. Part of the joy of reading r.a. has always been
the humor directed at the demanding/clueless/obnoxious posters; the
unfunny nastiness that has recently appeared is not enjoyable in the
least.
GK
Elizabeth
Well thank you very much Joan - and consider my hand duly shaken. :)
Blessings
Liz
Elizabeth
(Smorgass Bored) wrote:
>Elizabeth,
> It would appear that this is your artist,judging by his other
>'titles' and his penchant for watercolors. I could not find any info on
>your J. Kelly (Hilly) Braunish/Branise........
>
>
>SMITH, James Burrell 1822 - 1897
snip
Kind Sir
Seems to me you do indeed "have our man". I shall keep your list of
other paintings and thank you for your generous posting. It pales only
by the kindness shown me in your very next posting, when you "wipe my
tab clean" and obliterate all monies owed for the work and time which
has gone into answering my question, unlike those who would make
lucripetousnous and nummamorousnous their byword. Your ability to
coruscate and surprise this group with flashes of wit and intellectual
illumination have surely brought a smile to the lips of all who read
you daily.
May your firkin always be full.
Blessings
Liz
Elizabeth
Ronnie
What a splendid idea! Obviously signatures would be quite different -
at least one would hope so. I shall consider looking into that.
Many thanks for your input.
Blessings
Liz