I have just sent the following to ebay
Mike Wilcox
Just a notice to let you know I have declared war on the Ungodly, taking
the approach of David vs Goliath I feel the you have to tackle the
biggest bully on the block to get any respect. I can go it alone, but if
everyone who lurks, participates or even just pokes their nose in once
in a while wants to help, just copy my message to E-Bay and send it to:
PS. If you really like this place, do something about it or it will soon
be gone.
To whom it may concern.
As a long term member of the discussion group rec.antiques I must
protest the continuing problem of your clients bombarding our
'Discussion Only' newsgroup with ads for their items listed on your
site. All of our members take an active role in maintaining the only
viable 'Antiques Discussion Only' newsgroup on the web by contacting
your membership & Safeharbor when they fail to follow our FAQs, but the
problem continues to escalate. We have tried every method at our
disposal ,contacting Safeharbor,your clients, the offenders ISP's and
posting the FAQs everyday to the rec.antiques site , but it is never
enough. What I am asking you to do is please inform your clients on your
site that the rec. antiques newsgroup is for :
"The Discussion Of Antique & Collectible items of at least fifty years
of age Only, No wanted to buy, trade,sell ads or auction listings are
permitted. Anyone who posts ads or auction listings here will have their
internet service provider contacted immediately! "
I must state again that rec.antiques has over 28,000 members world wide
and really is the only Antique Newsgroup of it's type, all the other
Antiques & Collectible newsgroups permit ads or have become so full of
ads the membership has given up and left. It is not a case of having to
list every newsgroup's yea/nay policy on auction or ad listings,
rec.antiques is the only 'Discussion Only' antiques & collectibles
newsgroup there is left. If you don't believe me check Dejacom's
listings under Antiques newsgroups.
--
Mike Wilcox
Wilcox & Hall Appraisers Online
http://www3.sympatico.ca/appraisers
jc
Maybe if enough of us raise a flag, Ebay will respond . Although how many
people will ever take the time to read their message in our regard, is iffy.
jc
~When pigs fly antiques~
Mike Wilcox <appra...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:389701EF...@sympatico.ca...
Patricia Jansma
Regards,
Patricia
robert hay
would hear no end from Cyn. (pun intended.)
, appra...@sympatico.ca wrote:
>To the membership of rec.antiques,
>
>Just a notice to let you know I have declared war on the Ungodly, taking
>the approach of David vs Goliath I feel the you have to tackle the
>biggest bully on the block to get any respect. I can go it alone, but if
>everyone who lurks, participates or even just pokes their nose in once
>in a while wants to help, just copy my message to E-Bay and send it to:
>
>SafeH...@ebay.com
>
>PS. If you really like this place, do something about it or it will soon
>be gone.
>
>To whom it may concern.
>
>As a long term member of the discussion group rec.antiques I must
>protest the continuing problem of your clients bombarding our
>'Discussion Only' newsgroup with ads for their items listed on your
>site. All of our members take an active role in maintaining the only
>viable 'Antiques Discussion Only' newsgroup on the web by contacting
>your membership & Safeharbor when they fail to follow our FAQs, but the
>problem continues to escalate. We have tried every method at our
>disposal ,contacting Safeharbor,your clients, the offenders ISP's and
>posting the FAQs everyday to the rec.antiques site , but it is never
>enough. What I am asking you to do is please inform your clients on your
>site that the rec. antiques newsgroup is for :
>
>"The Discussion Of Antique & Collectible items of at least fifty years
>of age Only, No wanted to buy, trade,sell ads or auction listings are
>permitted. Anyone who posts ads or auction listings here will have their
>internet service provider contacted immediately! "
>
>I must state again that rec.antiques has over 28,000 members world wide
>and really is the only Antique Newsgroup of it's type, all the other
>Antiques & Collectible newsgroups permit ads or have become so full of
>ads the membership has given up and left. It is not a case of having to
>list every newsgroup's yea/nay policy on auction or ad listings,
>rec.antiques is the only 'Discussion Only' antiques & collectibles
>newsgroup there is left. If you don't believe me check Dejacom's
>listings under Antiques newsgroups.
Mike,
Good job
done 2-1-00
Bob Hay
May the road rise to meet you
May the wind be always at your back,
And may you be in Heaven 30 minutes before the devil knows
You are dead.
(:-})______\ / Ahh! It feels good to lie down when you are old.
My correct e-mail is h...@gateway.net
jdmiller
I did copy your message to eBay, but - just between us -
I think your count of 28000 members is a bit of hyperbole. :-)
The Usenet News service I'm using at the moment is known
as REMARQ - I see several other posters also use it from
time to time - and it keeps a count of the "Members"
of each newsgroup. It's current count for r.a. is approx-
imately 1400, and they count each instance of a userID as
a separate member. Thus, you have two entries, as do I, and
probably about 100 belong to Jon Dennington. Their list
is very interesting, however - you might like to check it
out.
* Sent from RemarQ http://www.remarq.com The Internet's Discussion Network *
The fastest and easiest way to search and participate in Usenet - Free!
Doris Bialas
inspiration. I'm glad you wrote the letter and I could copy it cause I
use the chicken method to type
I use the delete button more than any other. Doris
Why isn't 11 pronounced
onety one?
Mike Wilcox
You should see my stuff before I clean it up ;~)) I sure from what I
have seen of the e-bay posters mangling of the language our posts would
appear worthy of the Bard himself Doris.
Mike Wilcox
The stats I used were from some research project a university was doing
on newsgroup usage, Ronnie came up with similar stats, but I can't
remember the header he or I used at the time to check it on Dejanews.
It's easy to see that nothing lies better than statistics;~))
Doris Bialas
are working hard on my case and they'll let me know what comes of their
investigation and I only have to tell them
once. How many e-mails does it take to fill their mailbox? <g> Doris
jc
don't send another , they will put us on the shelve for the year 2002, no
doubt.......send a couple from your hotmail/yahoo account also.
jc
Doris Bialas <dora...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Ronnie McKinley
>Incidentally, when Ronnie did a volume count of articles to r.a. for last
>year...I was surprised at my relatively low count of 500
I didn't do a "volume count" for you Jon. It was Fayette that did the
counts and she came up with the 500 along with a number count for several
of the other regulars to the ng. As far as I recall, I only did a count
for my own post. Whatever, you can review the rather long thread in
question ... "Re: About the puns/ was: Re: Information source?"
Ronnie
=====
Ronnie McKinley
>Perhaps the answer is to ignore them, don't clog
>up rec. antiques post with spam messages, do not
>post Ebay references of any description, and if
>any members use Ebay, keep it to themselves or use
>only Ebay's own chat pages. Then they might go
>away.
I totally agree with you Roy, especially as to using Ebay's own chat line
for the Ebay chit-chat and regular members, who should know better, but
for some reason persist with posting an Ebay url reference they have come
across to this ng. They may find the piece in question hilarious but it's
all rather slow-witted and pointless, does nothing other than to clog the
place up and increase the ebay count to the ng. No wonder the place is
spammed by the Ebayers!!
As to the ebay "S-P-A-M" if one can't ignore them, then do as Mike is
doing and write DIRECTLY to Ebay. But posting a chastisement to the ng
for everyone of the Ebay spam ... a one for one!! .. sometimes a three
for one!! ... it's clogging the place up and becoming unbearable. IMHO
the chastisements within the ng itself is sometimes more of a problem and
annoyance than the actual spam. We have more chiefs in this ng than we
have indians.
Ronnie
=====
Charleen Bunjiovianna
>
>I totally agree with you Roy, especially as to using Ebay's own chat line
>for the Ebay chit-chat and regular members, who should know better, but
>for some reason persist with posting an Ebay url reference they have come
>across to this ng. They may find the piece in question hilarious but it's
>all rather slow-witted and pointless, does nothing other than to clog the
>place up and increase the ebay count to the ng. No wonder the place is
>spammed by the Ebayers!!
Couldn't even say it to my face, huh?
Coward.
Charleen
Ronnie McKinley
>Couldn't even say it to my face, huh?
Show me your face and I'll not only say it but sign language it as well.
>Coward.
Sir Noël??
Ronnie
=====
Roy Dennis
I'll re-post the message tonight as "On-line malls
and centres".
BTW I had an e-mail to you returned - but I think
you mentioned you were changing towards the end of
last year, or when you planned to upgrade this
year. You are still in my address book as
wilcox.hal...@sympatico.ca. Can you update
me please?
--
roy.d...@ukonline.co.uk
Educated customers are better customers
Mike Wilcox <appra...@sympatico.ca> wrote in
message news:3898F15C...@sympatico.ca...
Roy Dennis
number of posts to this and other current related
threads tends to prove the point. We do, however,
have to bear in mind that we have not been so
exposed to Ebay as a way on life on this side of
the pond. And nobody MAKES us visit the URLs.
I was sorry to see Charleen's personal remark, but
you will keep rising to the bait. Still, "if the
cap fits..."<g>
Please see my re-posted "On-line malls and
centres" message and its possible relevance to
this conversation.
Regards,
Roy
--
roy.d...@ukonline.co.uk
Just one of the tribe
Ronnie McKinley <mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in
message
news:38993ddf...@nntp.netcom.net.uk...
> In rec.antiques, Roy Dennis wrote:
>
> >Perhaps the answer is to ignore them, don't
clog
> >up rec. antiques post with spam messages, do
not
> >post Ebay references of any description, and if
> >any members use Ebay, keep it to themselves or
use
> >only Ebay's own chat pages. Then they might go
> >away.
>
> I totally agree with you Roy, especially as to
using Ebay's own chat line
> for the Ebay chit-chat and regular members, who
should know better, but
> for some reason persist with posting an Ebay url
reference they have come
> across to this ng. They may find the piece in
question hilarious but it's
> all rather slow-witted and pointless, does
nothing other than to clog the
> place up and increase the ebay count to the ng.
No wonder the place is
> spammed by the Ebayers!!
>
Ronnie McKinley
>I was sorry to see Charleen's personal remark, but
>you will keep rising to the bait. Still, "if the
>cap fits..."<g>
With all due respect Roy ... both I and Charleen have been here a hell of
a long time and some of the exchanges that take place been her and I may
be at time slightly over your head. Charleen is FULLY aware of my views
regarding ebay and how the ebay conversations tend to dominant this ng
from time to time. This ebay saga isn't new, it has been here for a long,
as long as ebay itself, search the archives and you will pick up threads
on the subject going back 3-4 years. Charleen is a committed on-line
buyer, I am not, so we have a difference of opinion. Perhaps if she was
normally selling dirty great big linen presses, set of chairs, tables,
wardrobes or some other lump her views may be slightly different. But
then, cups and saucers, small bits of Ag and household bric-à-brac is a
different ball game. Lets just pray that bloody Time-Warner doesn't take
ebay over. ;>
I stick by the points I made in my response to you. As for Charleen, she
knows me as well as I know myself, and her skin is as thick as mine,
although she tends to huff a lot more ... depending on the time of the
month, I suppose. ;>)
Ronnie
=====
Esengo
>I was sorry to see Charleen's personal remark, but
>you will keep rising to the bait. Still, "if the
>cap fits..."<g>
I, personally, thought it was real laugh. :-D
Anyhow, in another thread Roy asks if any of us have visited the Sotheby's
on-line site. Can't say that I have...but I went to a local talk about on-line
selling which featured one of the Sotheby's guys and one of the Road Show guys
as speakers. Unfortunately, (or maybe fortunately), I don't watch much
television so I was less than star struck by their celebrity status. (But
I've seen the Keno brothers and I'm panting just thinking about them.).
ANYHOW.....the entire talk was very basic but it was then that I learned about
Sotheby's doing their on-line auctions. They were very excited about it and
felt that it would, in the not too far distant future, become a very large part
of their business.
At some of the auctions I go to now the bidding for the best items is
dominated by phone bids, sometimes from out of the country. It only makes
sense that high end auction houses would want to post auction items,
descriptions, etc. on-line for a broader market, yes? Certainly will change
things as we have known them.
Fayette
P.S. I also saw some optimistic political folk saying that in four years we
will have perfected the system so that we can vote on-line. This will
equalize the time zone issues to a great extent and give the people on the West
coast a chance to cast their vote before the entire process is over with.
Interesting, huh?
Ronnie McKinley
> Anyhow, in another thread Roy asks if any of us have visited the Sotheby's
>on-line site. Can't say that I have...
In rec.antiques, Roy Dennis wrote:
>BTW has anyone accessed the new
>www.sothebys.amazon.com website as an alternative
>point of reference from the ubiquitous Ebay?"
Unless I am mistaken, or the report I read in a newspaper (your know that
paper stuff - think it was the Independence) was wrong .... anyways, the
major difference between the sothebys.amazon set-up compared to ebay, is
that amazon will use the expertise of Sotheby’s to authenticate and
appraise all offered items. The fees were expected to fall somewhere
between the 5 percent of sale price for most on-line auctions Amazon gets
today and the 20 percent to 25 percent that Sotheby’s receives for its
traditional-style auctions.
And the pay back for Sotheby's ... Amazon.com gets to invest $45 million
in the famed New York-based auction house, under the 10-year agreement.
Worth a flutter or not?? ;>
Ronnie
=====
Esengo
>Unless I am mistaken, or the report I read in a newspaper (your know that
>paper stuff - think it was the Independence) was wrong .... anyways, the
>major difference between the sothebys.amazon set-up compared to ebay, is
>that amazon will use the expertise
>of Sotheby’s to authenticate and
>appraise all offered items. The fees were expected to fall somewhere
>between the 5 percent of sale price for most on-line auctions Amazon gets
>today and the 20 percent to 25 percent that Sotheby’s receives for its
>traditional-style auctions.
>
Well, just call me confused.....but what I heard was that Sotheby's auctions
(not appraisals, or some other wussy stuff) would actually be presented ON-LINE
so that *everyone* *everywhere* would have an opportunity to bid on, and
purchase, and love and adore, any item they had up for auction.
It would not be the first time I missed the boat to Indonesia. But that's
what I understood. :-D
BTW, didn't she call you a COWARD? Are you gonna put up with that? ;-)
Fayette
Ronnie McKinley
>Well, just call me confused.....but what I heard was that Sotheby's auctions
>(not appraisals, or some other wussy stuff) would actually be presented ON-LINE
>so that *everyone* *everywhere* would have an opportunity to bid on, and
>purchase, and love and adore, any item they had up for auction.
> It would not be the first time I missed the boat to Indonesia. But that's
>what I understood. :-D
The sothebys.amazon set-up is a totally separate operation from Sotheby's
own on-line facilities. At present one can go to Sotheby's on-line view
their current, forthcoming and past auctions, can search their database
and view their catalogues, even order a PAPER copy from the catalogue
department, again, current, forthcoming and past sales. This applies to
both the UK and the USA and for sales all over the world, from
Switzerland to down in Oz. In fact, one can do almost the same at their
on-line site as one could do in real life at the saleroom. They even
provide FREE appraisals via email and one can leave bids via the on-line
absentee form.
They have provided these facilities on-line for sometime, and not only
Sotheby's but Christie's, Phillips and Bonhams, between them, they
provide a damn good database for research, although that may not be the
planned intention. So in reality, one can buy a Van Gogh or a load of
jewels once owned by some old Duchess without even getting off one's ass,
all is needed is a comp and a telephone line. However, I am not awfully
sure if Sotheby's (or the rest) plan to have these auction actually LIVE
on-line. I believe the actual sale will still take place in the real
world in the saleroom but extending to on-line rather like the current
telephone bidding. Incidentally, over here, Sotheby's (and the rest)
provide a whole range of existing facilities all accessed via your normal
touch-tone telephone, star and hatch button access, then put in the lot
and auction number, the main use being to access auction results.
Of course all this is a far cry from the shite provided by the likes of
ebay. I use Phillips and Bonhams on-line quite a bit and Sotheby's (and
Christie's) for research and database info.
> BTW, didn't she call you a COWARD? Are you gonna put up with that? ;-)
NO!!! I certainly will not put up with that! ... I plan to just run away
and hide .... bloody West Coast upstart. ;>)
Ronnie
=====
Mary Bellack
Roadshow for... I think it was the Sotheby's on-line auction. Among
other topics covered in the article, Jussel mentioned that he was not
pleased with the "How much is it worth" emphasis that AR takes.
Mary
Esengo wrote:
>
> Anyhow, in another thread Roy asks if any of us have visited the Sotheby's
jc
Here's the response from Safe Harbor in regards to my first
attempt..............
Hello Judy,
Thank you for your email.
Unfortunately, due to our policy, I am unable to accept or act upon
reports from email addresses that are not registered in eBay's database
of registered members.
I do sympathize with your problem. Unfortunately, eBay can only
investigate abuses of our site. Spamming that
is done in a newsgroup is beyond our jurisdiction. Your newsgroup should
be most efficient in enforcing their rules about spam. You can write to
the host or webmaster of your newsgroup and they'll be able to assist
you further.
I apologize for not being of more help.
Regards,
Joyce
eBay SafeHarbor
Investigations Team
Roy Dennis
"They have provided these facilities on-line for
sometime, and not only
Sotheby's but Christie's, Phillips and Bonhams,
between them, they
provide a damn good database for research,
although that may not be the planned intention."
"Of course all this is a far cry from the shite
provided by the likes of
ebay. I use Phillips and Bonhams on-line quite a
bit and Sotheby's (and Christie's) for research
and database info."
Thanks again, Ronnie, for making the point about
research INTO REAL ANTIQUES AND QUALITY GOODS. If
r.a. members really want to improve their
knowledge, there are more than price guides and
yabe listings to go for.
You KNOW it's hard work.
I know reference to my courses pisses you off, but
I spend a good few hours each week trying to get
enthusiastic amateurs to work hard at the research
that helps them understand and appreciate antiques
and/or the difference between quality design and
workmanship and shoddy rubbish. Slowly they get
there, and thank me for it - which is where I get
my job satisfaction.
Equally, I am happy to trawl through hundreds of
r.a. postings for a few nuggets of pure gold.
BTW, didn't she call you a COWARD? Are you gonna
put up with that? ;-)
>
> NO!!! I certainly will not put up with that! ...
I plan to just run away
> and hide .... bloody West Coast upstart.
The irritations and personalities often add light
relief and go with the territory. And if you and
Charleen know one another well and are happy, it
serves me right for poking into a private
conversation.
Best regards,
Roy
Ronnie McKinley
>I know reference to my courses pisses you off,
That's not true Roy and a bit misleading. It pisses me off, when you
continually mention and plug your "antiques courses" in every one of your
posts to this ng. Doing that, then it appears more like a promotional
campaign and for ME it takes the edge of what is fundamentally a damn
good idea and something of meaningful purpose. Rather than living blind
in a wilderness like so many do.
However, consider Roy, this place is dominated by Americans, what you do
in leafy suburbia England isn't really a major concern. Research is
always there, just a touch of the keyboard away, in the pages of the yabe
listings ... in short Roy, it's like sowing seed on the seashore during a
force 10. ;>)
Ronnie
=====
Esengo
>However, consider Roy, this place is dominated by Americans, what you do
>in leafy suburbia England isn't really a major concern. Research is
>always there, just a touch of the keyboard away, in the pages of the yabe
>listings ... in short Roy, it's like sowing seed on the seashore during a
>force 10. ;>)
Grrrrr, I hate being lumped with the other lemmings. I was busy researching
"vulcanite" when AOL zapped me into the great black hole (bumped me) - and I
lost Roy's trivia quiz. By the time I got back Ronnie had answered
everything (better than I could have)- what a show-off.
Roy, just a suggestion. Maybe you could introduce *one* trivia
question at a time so we all could explore each one in more depth.
Thank you proffessor. :-)
Fayette
Ronnie McKinley
>Grrrrr, I hate being lumped with the other lemmings.
HaHaHa .... step this way. :)
Here's one for ya ....
Who was Admiral Robert Fitzroy? .. short bio will do
What was his claim to fame?
And what did he design that now bears his name?
Easy one. :)
btw ..... I have always wanted one of these thingies but could never
(so far) justify the normal asking price ... but I'm still on the look
out for a cheap one .. nice conversation piece. ;>
Ronnie
=====
Esengo
>Here's one for ya ....
>
>Who was Admiral Robert Fitzroy? .. short bio will do
>What was his claim to fame?
>And what did he design that now bears his name?
>
>Easy one. :)
>btw ..... I have always wanted one of these thingies but could never
>(so far) justify the normal asking price ... but I'm still on the look
>out for a cheap one .. nice conversation piece. ;>
>
1. Who was Admiral Robert Fitzroy?
Fitzroy (1805-65) was an English Admiral with the Royal Navy. He played
a role in charting unknown waters and territories (mostly in the South
Atlantic).
2. What is his claim to fame?
He was the Captain of the "Beagle" and invited Charles Darwin aboard as an
unpaid naturalist. During a five year voyage (1831-36) Darwin collected
samples and documentation which eventually led to his writing of "Origin of the
Species".
3. What did he design that now bears his name?
Fitzroy developed a barometer.
;-) Next
Fayette
Ronnie McKinley
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh ... get you. :)
Not bad for a lemming.
Ronnie
=====
Ronnie McKinley
>;-) Next
Okay-doke Fayette, here's a picture one. It's silver, they were all
made either in silver or plated.
1. What was the purpose of this object?
2. The majority were made in Ireland, what is the name by which these
objects were more commonly known in Ireland, although a misnomer?
3. Why would one of these have been not very PC (in bad taste) in
Ireland around the mid 1840s, especially on the West coast?
Don't be fooled!! it's not a napkin holder, it's much larger. :)
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mckinley/temp/object_x.jpg
btw .. Jane, is ban from answering this one. ;)
Ronnie
=====
Roy Dennis
has a picture and more information? Ronnie wants
one, and I would certainly like to know more about
the product, rather than the man.
Definitely a good conversation piece - I doubt
yabe has one!
Roy
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Educated customers are better customers
Esengo <ese...@aol.com> wrote in message
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..
> Ronnie writes:
> >Here's one for ya ....
> >
> ;-) Next (Coming up soon, but stay
with this one a little longer.)
> Fayette
Roy Dennis
courses are certainly not mentioned "in every one
of your posts to this ng". I'd have to be pretty
stupid to think I was promoting them on the ng,
since, to attend, you would need to be within 35
miles of Market Deeping, Lincolnshire - I do not
think many rec.antiques members fall into that
category. The courses are not "on-line", nor do I
run distant learning or mail order courses, or
publish books.
OTOH students' questions and their input have a
great deal of relevance to the prime concept of
rec. antiques, namely learning about and
discussing antiques. They provide me with
information and anecdotes in exactly the same way
as my centre dealing and visits to auctions
activities - and I like hearing about other rec.
antiques members' stories in their own contexts.
If it is the tag line usually added below my
e-mail signature that you interpret as promotion,
it is my personal philosophy. I would rather deal
with educated customers than prey on the innocent
and unknowing.
Please bury the hatchet - and not in my head <g>.
Regards
Roy
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Educated customers are better customers
Dedicated to life-long learning
Ronnie McKinley <mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in
message
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> In rec.antiques, Roy Dennis wrote:
>
> >I know reference to my courses pisses you off,
>
> That's not true Roy and a bit misleading. It
pisses me off, when you
> continually mention and plug your "antiques
courses" in every one of your
> posts to this ng. Doing that, then it appears
more like a promotional
> campaign and for ME it takes the edge of what is
fundamentally a damn
> good idea and something of meaningful purpose.
Rather than living blind
> in a wilderness like so many do.
>
> However, consider Roy, this place is dominated
by Americans, what you do
> in leafy suburbia England isn't really a major
concern. Research is
> always there, just a touch of the keyboard away,
in the pages of the yabe
> listings ... in short Roy, it's like sowing seed
on the seashore during a
> force 10. ;>)
>
>
> Ronnie
> =====
Roy Dennis
It's a dish stand, commonly known as a potato
ring - and a very nice one too! 1760? Any info on
the maker? 1840 was the time of the potato famine
in Ireland. A very dark time in Anglo-Irish
relations.
Hope the little fairy managed to get there ahead
of me.
Roy
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Ronnie McKinley <rmck...@glenbourne.fsnet.co.uk>
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Esengo
>About 6 - 8 inches diameter, 3 - 4 inches high?
>It's a dish stand, commonly known as a potato
>ring - and a very nice one too! 1760? Any info on
>the maker? 1840 was the time of the potato famine
>in Ireland. A very dark time in Anglo-Irish
>relations.
>
>Hope the little fairy managed to get there ahead
>of me.
Hey Roy, So glad you took me off the hot seat. I hope Ronnie will expound
more on the potato ring.
I was off on a wild track.....did you ever type "slave bracelet" into a
search engine? Good grief...why am I always the last to know about this stuff?
:-D
Anyhow....I'm off to look for other examples of the potato ring. I did
find a picture in Miller's of the "Admiral Fitzroy's storm barometer" but it is
really too small to see much and way too small to photograph for sharing.
See ya!
Fayette
jc
a dish stand. Who coined the name potato ring ? My first thought was
something like a finger bowl, but that didn't fit with the PC part and too
easy for a Ronnie quiz for Fay......:-)
jc
Roy Dennis <roy.d...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote in message
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> About 6 - 8 inches diameter, 3 - 4 inches high?
> It's a dish stand, commonly known as a potato
> ring - and a very nice one too! 1760? Any info on
> the maker? 1840 was the time of the potato famine
> in Ireland. A very dark time in Anglo-Irish
> relations.
>
> Hope the little fairy managed to get there ahead
> of me.
>
Ronnie McKinley
>Specifically a "stick" barometer. Perhaps someone
>has a picture and more information? Ronnie wants
>one, and I would certainly like to know more about
>the product, rather than the man.
No it's not really a "stick" barometer. Two different breeds and two
different time frames. The stick is 18th century, early 19th century. The
Fitzroy is the 2nd half of the 19th century, by and large the Fitzroy is
sill frowned upon by the purist barometer collector, but hell I like
them.
Here's a side by side view ... the one on the left is a Geo III stick
barometer, signed Jas. Powell, Worcester c1800 ... the one on the right
is an **early** Admiral Fizroy c1865. Stick barometers go back to the
early 1700s. Most stick barometer before 1800 didn't have thermometers
(as seen in the pic) as a second instrument, early one just has the tube
running up the stick.
http:///www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mckinley/temp/barometers.jpg
Ronnie
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Ronnie McKinley
>About 6 - 8 inches diameter, 3 - 4 inches high?
>It's a dish stand, commonly known as a potato
>ring - and a very nice one too! 1760? Any info on
>the maker? 1840 was the time of the potato famine
>in Ireland. A very dark time in Anglo-Irish
>relations.
Nice one Roy. It's not mine of course NEVER had one of this quality, all
the one I've had ..... er ... have been lets say "honest" examples. ;>
This one by Joseph Jackson Dublin c1780 ... and it sure is a heart
breaker.
Ronnie
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Ronnie McKinley
> I hope Ronnie will expound
>more on the potato ring.
As Roy said it's a "dish ring" ... used to raise a dish of hot food
from contact with the table, saving on damage to the fine surface
polish. In Ireland they are generally referred to as a "potato ring"
the supported dish in this case containing the hot spud. Most
specialist silver books refer to them as "dish rings" but with the
Irish name of a "potato ring" as a cross-reference. They are basically
an object of Irish origins, although a few hallmarked English examples
are in existence .. I personally, have never had an English one.
However, sometimes the story goes, the ring sat on a flat platter or
plate and the humble spuds placed within the ring itself. Not being
around between c1750-1820 (the heyday of fine Irish silver) I can't
confirm if this is correct or not. But knowing how the Irish loved
their spuds, a fine centrepiece whichever, which way. Of course, the
dogs in the bogs during the period didn't get to use such a wonderful
utensil as this, they were too busy trying to scrape the landlords
rent together for the end of the month to worry about such finery.
They just ate the auld spuds with the mud, the skins and all, being
bloody thankful they had spuds to eat in the first place.
That's the story, Little Fairy Ring. :))
Ronnie
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Ronnie McKinley
>Darn, I showed up too late for the fun and games. I never would have guessed
>a dish stand. Who coined the name potato ring ? My first thought was
>something like a finger bowl, but that didn't fit with the PC part and too
>easy for a Ronnie quiz for Fay......:-)
Well never mind JC, here's one especially for you. :)
What's a piggin?
And what is its most characteristic feature?
The muzzle is removed from, Jane. :))
Ronnie
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Roy Dennis
I could not access the barometers pix (got message
"No server"). Can you please check the links or
e-mail me the jpegs? You have reminded me I need
to do some more research on barometers.
Thanks
Roy
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Ronnie McKinley <mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in
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> In rec.antiques, "Roy Dennis" wrote:
>
Ronnie McKinley
>Ronnie
>I could not access the barometers pix (got message
>"No server"). Can you please check the links or
>e-mail me the jpegs? You have reminded me I need
>to do some more research on barometers.
Oops!!! Sorry Roy, I appear to have added an extra slash following the
http: ... you should have noticed that. ;>)))
Anyway here's the correct url ....
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mckinley/temp/barometers.jpg
Ronnie
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jc
one of the strips of wood is cut longer for the handle? ożo
jc
Ronnie McKinley <mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message
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Ronnie McKinley
>It's a bucket with a long straight handle...feature? I'm not sure other than
>one of the strips of wood is cut longer for the handle? ożo
Yeap, and the use??
Anyway, in Ireland during the late 18th century, early 19th century the
humble piggin grew to new heights in design and fashion when the Irish
cut glass industry took up the shape.
Here's an Irish glass piggin c1800 .... the staves are much shorter than
the humble country wooden examples. This example has two staves, but
glass piggins were also made with a single stave. Just thought, with your
glass interest this may be fun. :)
http://www.netcomuk.co.uk/~mckinley/piggin.jpg
Ronnie
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jc
totally different? the piggin held liquids, was there another purpose for
this glass piece in Ireland?
jc
Ronnie McKinley <mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in message
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Roy Dennis
Maybe I should have noticed it, but I've only
recently graduated from an abacus and a quill pen.
This e-mail, Internet stuff is like 1895 -
Guglielmo Marconi invented the wireless telegraph
system (radio signals). The diesel engine was
invented by Rudolf Diesel. King C. Gillette
created the disposable safety razor. - and a lot
more complicated than any of those!
Roy
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Learning all the time
See how I keep trying to stay OT with antiques.
Ronnie McKinley <mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk> wrote in
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Ronnie McKinley
> the piggin held liquids, was there another purpose for
>this glass piece in Ireland?
No not really. It was still basically a dipper for cream or milk. Just
total and pure exuberance during the period on the behalf of the Irish
glass cutters, imagination running riot. The cut glass piggin was
essentially an Irish vessel, it does not appear that it was ever made
in England, but these small pieces today are highly collected and
sought in all Georgian period glass circles ... there were of course
later reproductions and I believe today, the likes of Waterford Glass
(nothing to do with 18th/19th century Waterford production) and other
modern Irish glass factories re-produce such articles .. probably, for
bloody mayonnaise. ;>)
Ronnie
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> I stick by the points I made in my response to you. As for Charleen,
she
> knows me as well as I know myself, and her skin is as thick as mine,
> although she tends to huff a lot more ... depending on the time of
the
> month, I suppose. ;>)
>
> Ronnie
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>
>>>>>Suffering from PMT....Pre McKinley Tension....I suppose 8)))
Jon
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Maryann
>
>
>What's a piggin?
>And what is its most characteristic feature?
>
>
>The muzzle is removed from, Jane. :))
>
>
>Ronnie
>=====
Maryann
Roy Dennis
barometers and was able the merely differentiate
between the (nominally) straight and banjo types.