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Michael B. Hays

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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In light of the recent discussion on art deco and modernism I thought it
might be informative to see what is not considered art deco by most design
historians.

Please go to Ebay and do an item search for
item #49853066

Yours,

Michael B. Hays

Mandi R. Birkinbine

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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Perhaps they meant decopauge or decorative when they used the term
deco. It really doesn't look like the seller is trying to mislead. My
two cents...

Mandi

Marshall Schuon

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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hay...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael B. Hays) wrote:

>In light of the recent discussion on art deco and modernism I thought it
>might be informative to see what is not considered art deco by most design
>historians.

>Please go to Ebay and do an item search for
>item #49853066

>Yours,

>Michael B. Hays
______

I guess one of the worst-taste items in this line that I've ever seen
was... well, I was a young reporter and had to cover the funeral of
Eddie Sacks, a noted race driver who burned to death in a horrible
crash at Indianapolis back in the early 60's. The coffin was closed,
but there, standing next to it, was a lifesize cardboard cutout of
Eddie, grinning and holding a can of Pennzoil, for which he'd been a
spokesman. Weird.

Marshall

Tsu Dho Nimh

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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hay...@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (Michael B. Hays) wrote:

>In light of the recent discussion on art deco and modernism I thought it
>might be informative to see what is not considered art deco by most design
>historians.
>
>Please go to Ebay and do an item search for
>item #49853066

Their use of the word "deco" is an abbreviation for "decoupage"
...

Ronnie McKinley

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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In rec.antiques, Michael B. Hays wrote:

>Please go to Ebay and do an item search for
>item #49853066
>


Who's Dale Earnhard?


Ronnie
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Kris Baker

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk (Ronnie McKinley) wrote:

I think he's a car racer. You know - like the Indianapolis
500 or something. People pay to watch guys drive around in
a circle for hours (turning LEFT all the time.)

Kris


JGROUND

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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>Subject: Re: This is NOT Art Deco!!!!!
>From: JDK...@prodigy.com (Kris Baker)
>Date: 12/17/98 11:59 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <75bnqo$4h8s$1...@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>
>

>>Who's Dale Earnhard?
>>Ronnie
>
>I think he's a car racer. You know - like the Indianapolis
>500 or something. People pay to watch guys drive around in
>a circle for hours (turning LEFT all the time.)
>
>Kris
>

His name is Dale Earnhardt, winner of 7 Winston titles. FYI :^)
Joan

Ronnie McKinley

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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In rec.antiques, Kris Baker wrote:

>I think he's a car racer. You know - like the Indianapolis
>500 or something. People pay to watch guys drive around in
>a circle for hours (turning LEFT all the time.)
>

Thanks Kris, I get the picture. Ever since that bore Mansal did the
Indy thing over there we now endure the Indy season highlights on late
night TV sport .... Gad!! but that is boring stuff, now I know why
Mansal took it up, round and round they go, and up and down the bowl.

Don't you guys have something similar to European Tarmac Championship
racing, you know, like the RAC or the Circuit of Ireland type of
thing, now that's motor racing, and where it should be, on real roads
and in real forests. :)


Ronnie
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Just "Cruising" along
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Tsu Dho Nimh

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk (Ronnie McKinley) wrote:

>Thanks Kris, I get the picture. Ever since that bore Mansal did the
>Indy thing over there we now endure the Indy season highlights on late
>night TV sport .... Gad!! but that is boring stuff, now I know why
>Mansal took it up, round and round they go, and up and down the bowl.
>
>Don't you guys have something similar to European Tarmac Championship
>racing, you know, like the RAC or the Circuit of Ireland type of
>thing, now that's motor racing, and where it should be, on real roads
>and in real forests. :)

Yes, but it's usually televised on the news as "Wild police
chase across three states, bandits escape."

We briefly had Grand Prix racing, but due to the stupidity and
greed of the promoter the Grand Prix race had a lower attendance
than a local Ostrich Festival. So they left in a snit.


Barry L. Van Hook

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Dec 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/17/98
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In article <36795030...@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk> mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk (Ronnie McKinley) writes:

>Who's Dale Earnhard?

NASCAR champion .... NASCAR is the sanctioning body for what is known as
"stock car racing" here in the US ... relatively stock-bodied sedans racing
around a 2+ mile oval track at upwards of 200mph ... one of the more
significant spectator spectacles on any given Sunday around the country.

Barry #36

Barry L. Van Hook (van...@asu.edu)
Management Department, College of Business
Arizona State University, Tempe, AZ 85287-4006
Phone (602) 965-1217 FAX (602) 965-8314

Ronnie McKinley

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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In rec.antiques, Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> We briefly had Grand Prix racing, but due to the stupidity and
>greed of the promoter the Grand Prix race had a lower attendance
>than a local Ostrich Festival. So they left in a snit.
>

I would have imagined Indy was well pumped up by the "promoters" It's
a sad fact, but true, if the "promotion" was taken out of European
Grand Prix racing it would collapse on its big-end. Anyways, F1 isn't
motor car racing either, it's a testing ground for car technology and
help big fat cats to make money out of smoke and booze. Besides, I can
hardly buy an F1 Grand Prix car and race it just for fun at the
weekends, way too heavy on gas :)


Ronnie
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F1 Cruisers
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Kris Baker

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk (Ronnie McKinley) wrote:

>In rec.antiques, Kris Baker wrote:
>>I think he's a car racer. You know - like the Indianapolis
>>500 or something. People pay to watch guys drive around in
>>a circle for hours (turning LEFT all the time.)

>Thanks Kris, I get the picture. Ever since that bore Mansal did the


>Indy thing over there we now endure the Indy season highlights on late
>night TV sport .... Gad!! but that is boring stuff, now I know why
>Mansal took it up, round and round they go, and up and down the bowl.

>Don't you guys have something similar to European Tarmac Championship
>racing, you know, like the RAC or the Circuit of Ireland type of
>thing, now that's motor racing, and where it should be, on real roads
>and in real forests. :)

>Ronnie

We do, Ronnie - not LeMans, but the other International race
that winds through real places. My mind is a blank, but I know
that there are several US races (NY, Phoenix, etc.)

Here in Utah (in preparation for the "You'd Better Give Us Big
Bribes" 2002 Winter Olympics), 17 miles of freeway through the
center of Salt Lake City is under construction. It's a 24-hour-a-
day race, 7 days a week, for four years. Eight lanes of traffic
now crowded into four (two each way) with a tall cement barrier
separating the lanes and on the sides so that you can't see
the rest of the world. It's called the Utah Luge Auto Races.

Kris


Ronnie McKinley

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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In rec.antiques, Barry L. Van Hook wrote:

>"stock car racing" here in the US ...

Ah ... "stock car racing" ......... thanks Barry, I misread Kris and
thought it was Indy ...... yea we have "stock car racing" here as
well, like speedway only on four wheels? ;>) the "demolition derby" is
great crack. >;))

>2+ mile oval track at upwards of 200mph

I know you are a bike freak. :) We have a motorbike race over here
called the North West 200, held on public roads, mostly country roads
going through several villages and an A to B between two large seaside
resorts, around a 12 mile course (I think) anyway pretty long, not as
long as the Isle of Man TT's which is a 30+ mile course, again on
public roads. Speeds 200+ at the NW200 it's rather hairy to see a full
blown F1 works-bike going into high flight over a humped-back railway
bridge. A race meeting on public roads is held somewhere every weekend
during the summer, it's a Championship. You would enjoy it Barry. ;)


Ronnie
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Cruising the open road.
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Ronnie McKinley

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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In rec.antiques, Kris Baker wrote:

> It's a 24-hour-a-
>day race, 7 days a week, for four years.


Geez! they must be dying for a piss after that length of time.


Freeway? ... is that like our "motorway?" >;;


Ronnie
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A2Gumbo

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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>Don't you guys have something similar to European Tarmac Championship
>>racing, you know, like the RAC or the Circuit of Ireland type of
>>thing, now that's motor racing, and where it should be, on real roads
>>and in real forests. :)

Yes, It is called rush hour!

Ashley

Maryann

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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>Here in Utah (in preparation for the "You'd Better Give Us Big
>Bribes" 2002 Winter Olympics), 17 miles of freeway through the
>center of Salt Lake City is under construction. It's a 24-hour-a-
>day race, 7 days a week, for four years. Eight lanes of traffic
>now crowded into four (two each way) with a tall cement barrier
>separating the lanes and on the sides so that you can't see
>the rest of the world. It's called the Utah Luge Auto Races.

Oh, Kris. We drove through there two years ago in a terrible storm
pulling a trailor. I vowed never to set foot in Utah again!!!

Maryann

Kris Baker

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk (Ronnie McKinley) wrote:

>In rec.antiques, Kris Baker wrote:

>>It's a 24-hour-a-day race, 7 days a week, for four years.

>Geez! they must be dying for a piss after that length of time.

Two hours to go 10 miles, you're dying!

>Freeway? ... is that like our "motorway?" >;;
>Ronnie

Yup - limited access highway. With most of the exits and
onramps closed....sometimes....maybe. Some permanently,
sometimes they fool you.

Kris


Kris Baker

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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mk...@sc.tds.net (Maryann ) wrote:

Gee, can't take a little bit of snow? <g> We don't have the
blinding sideways blizzards you'll see in the Midwest. Here
in the mountains, at least the snow generally has the courtesy
to fall straight down to the ground. It's really pretty here right
now....nice and white on the mountainside. But even WE don't
go out in those storms unless we have to.

BTW, it's 100 degrees here in the summer.

Kris


Marshall Schuon

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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<Snipity snip>

> Ever since that bore Mansal did the
>Indy thing over there we now endure the Indy season highlights on late
>night TV sport .... Gad!! but that is boring stuff, now I know why
>Mansal took it up, round and round they go, and up and down the bowl.

>Ronnie
>=====

Marshall here (not Mansal), and I see that everybody filled you in on
who Dale Earnhard is, one of the aces of stock car racing, yada, yada.
But we also do lots of twisty "road courses," and in those you keep
turning right instead of left. They run counterclockwise
(anticlockwise?) unlike the ovals such as Indy. And I used to race
myself. Here's a time when I was not particularly successful in the
24-hour race at Nelson Ledges, Ohio. I'm the guy with the beard, the
one in the racing suit. Take a look at
http://members.aol.com/carguy323/race.jpg

Marshall

Ronnie McKinley

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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In rec.antiques, Marshall Schuon wrote:

> I used to race
>myself. Here's a time when I was not particularly successful in the
>24-hour race at Nelson Ledges, Ohio. I'm the guy with the beard, the
>one in the racing suit. Take a look at
>http://members.aol.com/carguy323/race.jpg


Hey Marshall you guys look a bit puzzled in that pic. I hate to be a
know-it-all ....... but it's upside down! ... isn't it difficult to
drive in that position? ;-)

Here's a couple of links for you .......

http://www.worldrally.net/home.html
http://members.aol.com/jam9t8/RALLYING.html
http://user.aol.com/fmca123/rally.html

http://www.isle-of-man.com/sport/tt/index.htm


If you have any American links pass them on please ... but NO Indy or
oval tracks stuff. >>;


Ronnie
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Michael B. Hays

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Dec 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/18/98
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In article <3679422A...@micron.net>, "Mandi R. Birkinbine"

<mb...@micron.net> wrote:
>
> Perhaps they meant decopauge or decorative when they used the term
> deco. It really doesn't look like the seller is trying to mislead. My
> two cents...
>
> Mandi

Dear Mandi,

Yes, I'm sure that is what they meant by "in the deco style". My post was
meant as a little joke. Obviously it was a very, very miniscule joke. Next
time I'll remember to put in the winky face ;^) as dry humor is sometimes a
tad difficult to appreciate when read over a newsgroup.

I did see one Ebay description the other day that claimed there item was
done in a combination Art Deco / Nouveau Riche style.

Yours,

Michael B. Hays

Marshall Schuon

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Dec 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/19/98
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carg...@mindspring.com (Marshall Schuon) wrote:

><Snipity snip>

>> Ever since that bore Mansal did the
>>Indy thing over there we now endure the Indy season highlights on late
>>night TV sport .... Gad!! but that is boring stuff, now I know why
>>Mansal took it up, round and round they go, and up and down the bowl.

>>Ronnie
>>=====

>Marshall here (not Mansal), and I see that everybody filled you in on
>who Dale Earnhard is, one of the aces of stock car racing, yada, yada.
>But we also do lots of twisty "road courses," and in those you keep
>turning right instead of left. They run counterclockwise

>(anticlockwise?) unlike the ovals such as Indy. And I used to race


>myself. Here's a time when I was not particularly successful in the
>24-hour race at Nelson Ledges, Ohio. I'm the guy with the beard, the
>one in the racing suit. Take a look at
>http://members.aol.com/carguy323/race.jpg

>Marshall
____

Jeez. I meant to say clockwise, they run CLOCKWISE. Arghh.

Marshall


Marshall Schuon

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Dec 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM12/19/98
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mcki...@netcomuk.co.uk (Ronnie McKinley) wrote:

>In rec.antiques, Marshall Schuon wrote:

>> I used to race
>>myself. Here's a time when I was not particularly successful in the
>>24-hour race at Nelson Ledges, Ohio. I'm the guy with the beard, the
>>one in the racing suit. Take a look at
>>http://members.aol.com/carguy323/race.jpg

>Hey Marshall you guys look a bit puzzled in that pic. I hate to be a
>know-it-all ....... but it's upside down! ... isn't it difficult to
>drive in that position? ;-)

<Snip of rally url's>
>Ronnie
>=====

Good sites, and there are no doubt some merkin ones, but I don't have
any handy. And yes, we were addled in that pic. It was taken moments
after my mishap, and that's my Peugeot 505 with the dirty side up and
the shiny side down. Got it backwards in the turn at the end of the
straight, and put it on its head at 70 mph. And this was in PRACTICE,
mind you! But we got it back on its wheels, pumped up the roof with
Port-o-jacks, popped in a new windshield, and managed 23 out of the 24
hours of the race. The car finally died when one of the other drivers
(there were three of us in the Peugeot factory team) went over an
embankment and pinched an oil line. Made a good column for the NY
Times, though.

Marshall


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