Sticker shock? (on binaries)
Brenda Ann
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Jeffrey D Angus
> a scan of my shop power bill for last month...
Ok, if I read that right, that's $265/month.
How much is that compared to your income and total overhead?
Jeff
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Art
home in the summer.
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John Robertson
> a scan of my shop power bill for last month...
>
>
Our power bill for two months (3300 sq foot shop) is about $220 Canadian
(around $210US). 2200KWh @ $0.0769/KWh plus some extra charges and taxes.
Note most of our usage is lighting with some soldering stations,
pinballs, video games running, laser printers...no heavy motorized
equipment.
John :-#)#
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Peter Wieck
wrote:
YIKES!
Our energy bill, combined heating (natural gas) and electric is $337/
month averaged over 12 months on the 'budget' plan. As of now we are
nearly $1,000 ahead ready for the heating season.
The house is 4,000+ square feet and has 34 radiators, power here is
$0.16/kwh, gas is $1.17/therm.
Peter Wieck
Melrose Park, PA
Brenda Ann
"Art" <a...@myantiqueradio.com> wrote in message
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>I no longer have access to the binaries but $265/mo is what I pay for my
>home in the summer.
>
>
> "Jeffrey D Angus" <jan...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Brenda Ann wrote:
>>> a scan of my shop power bill for last month...
>>
>> Ok, if I read that right, that's $265/month.
>>
>> How much is that compared to your income and total overhead?
>>
>> Jeff
That $265 is just for my rather small shop and the CATV/MATV headend. It is
one of three separately metered electrical systems. This bill represents a
time of year when I'm not even running my A/C in the shop, nor the heat (new
heat pump installed just this summer). I'm now afraid to even run the heat
this winter! Our average summer power bills run to $700-800. Average winter
bills used to run to $300-400.
Rent is $1400, LPG for house heat and hot water varies from $60 in the
summer to $400 in the winter.
paul @removeppinyot.removecom Paul_P
> is one of three separately metered electrical systems. This bill
> represents a time of year when I'm not even running my A/C in the shop,
> nor the heat (new heat pump installed just this summer). I'm now afraid to
> even run the heat this winter! Our average summer power bills run to
> $700-800. Average winter bills used to run to $300-400.
>
> Rent is $1400, LPG for house heat and hot water varies from $60 in the
> summer to $400 in the winter.
>
I can't see the binaries. Are they hitting you for VARs?
Paul P.
Brenda Ann
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VAR's?
paul @removeppinyot.removecom Paul_P
>
> VAR's?
>
Volt-Amp Reactive. Capacitive or inductive currents. A power factor less
than 1. Current out of phase with voltage.
You may have a special meter or separate meter that tracks VARs. Some
industrial customers cause a lot of VARs (eg have a poor power factor). A
separate meter is needed to measure that consumption. A regular meter will
not see the VARs. And VARs heat up the transmission lines.
Another thing that would bite you is a peak reading meter. I have seen them
were there is a separate red needle that has a wire tag seal put on by the
meter reader. The meter reader takes the peak indication and resets it
after he/she reads the meter and puts a new seal on the needle.
Other meters track peak electronically. The power company charges you based
on peak consumption. Like when you start a motor there is a surge current.
Or turn on all of the appliances after you would get home from work for a
residence. This would peak you meter and no matter how few peaks you had
you still get pinched.
Residential peak metering is something they want to do here in the US.
Paul P.
Paul P.
Brenda Ann
"Paul_P" <REMOVE paul @ REMOVE ppinyot . REMOVEcom> wrote in message
Nothing like that, that I know of. It's a f***ing sliding scale that's the
killer. First 100 KWh is cheap, second isn't too bad, but after that, it
gets ugly. After 500 KWh, its up to 64 cents or so per KWh. Nearly half of
my bill for that month was for the 196 KWh that I used over that 500 KWh
(~$125).
GregS
>I no longer have access to the binaries but $265/mo is what I pay for my
>home in the summer.
>
>
Is that "summer home' or electricity ?
My electric is fairly constant. I sometimes use a 5KW
heater in the garage in the cooler months, and I run full house
air in the summer. My average electric bill is $60.
They got me for $100 in September because they didn't
read the meter for 4 months, and underestimated.
Highest natural gas bill has been about $200
to $30 in the summer. Average indoor temp about 70 F.
Last week I ran the air right after I ran the heat. It
does not bother me to use both in the same day.
greg
>"Jeffrey D Angus" <jan...@socal.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Brenda Ann wrote:
>>> a scan of my shop power bill for last month...
>>
>> Ok, if I read that right, that's $265/month.
>>
>> How much is that compared to your income and total overhead?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>> --
>> �Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.�
Scott W. Harvey
Already here....PG&E is putting smart meters on all California
residences. You cannot refuse to have it installed. A lawsuit has
already been filed about increased power bills over the issue and some
people are pissed, to say the least.
-Scott
Adrian
>
> - Show quoted text -
I had a "Time of Day" Meter installed at my request 2 years ago and it
has saved me 40% a month on my power bills ever since.
Now here in AZ we have some pretty hefty rates and my average electric
bill BEFORE installing the "TOD" Meter was about $375.00 a month due
mainly from my medical equipment that keeps me alive.
But within one month of getting the "TOD" meter and getting use to
doing laundry at night etc, it dropped to $280 to $250 a month and
this is on a total electric house. We use a Swamp cooler in the summer
and Radiant heaters in the winter.
I have lived in CA a few times and LOVED the $40 to $50 a month
electric bills USING AC! But it is time CA started paying their own
way and BUILDING power plants in their own state.
I have 4 500KW power generators at one power plant less than 176 miles
from me and NOT ONE WATT IS USED IN ARIZONA IT ALL GOES TO CALIFORNIA
and AZ pays the taxes on the plant and suffers all of the COAL
pollution.
I saw AGAIN CA. it is time to pay your own way.
73 Adrian KF7DYU
Scott W. Harvey
>
> I had a "Time of Day" Meter installed at my request 2 years ago and it
> has saved me 40% a month on my power bills ever since.
> Now here in AZ we have some pretty hefty rates and my average electric
> bill BEFORE installing the "TOD" Meter was about $375.00 a month due
> mainly from my medical equipment that keeps me alive.
> But within one month of getting the "TOD" meter and getting use to
> doing laundry at night etc, it dropped to $280 to $250 a month and
> this is on a total electric house. We use a Swamp cooler in the summer
> and Radiant heaters in the winter.
> I have lived in CA a few times and LOVED the $40 to $50 a month
> electric bills USING AC! But it is time CA started paying their own
> way and BUILDING power plants in their own state.
> I have 4 500KW power generators at one power plant less than 176 miles
> from me and NOT ONE WATT IS USED IN ARIZONA IT ALL GOES TO CALIFORNIA
> and AZ pays the taxes on the plant and suffers all of the COAL
> pollution.
> I saw AGAIN CA. it is time to pay your own way.
CA has been paying its own way and then some for the last eight years.
Why else do you think the output of those generators is coming here?
BTW, I suggest you take a look at the name of the company generating the
power from those gennys. I'll bet the company is headquartered in Texas,
like the owners of almost all of the power plants in CA are. They used
to be owned by entities headquartered in the states where they resided
before a disastrous attempt at energy deregulation in the west coupled
with price manipulation by Enron screwed everything up....this is a
major sore spot among residents here.
-Scott
Pete Bertini
"Scott W. Harvey" <NOT_M...@email.com> wrote in message
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> Adrian wrote:
>
> BTW, I suggest you take a look at the name of the company generating the
> power from those gennys. I'll bet the company is headquartered in Texas,
> like the owners of almost all of the power plants in CA are. They used to
> be owned by entities headquartered in the states where they resided before
> a disastrous attempt at energy deregulation in the west coupled with
> price manipulation by Enron screwed everything up....this is a major sore
> spot among residents here.
>
> -Scott
>
becoming a major player in the Northeast. Gas,
electricity, they are starting to control more and more
of it.
Pete