Useful Greek words in Xasiklidika
The_Walrus
αργιλε argile the sacred narghile
λοθλασ loulas the bowl of the narghile
Nikos A. Politis
Mr. Narghile
Nikos A. Politis
guarantee since I can remember old chaps enjoying it in public in the
cafes on Aegina waterfront. Just water.
baglamatzis
wrong (doubt it) and stand to be corrected.
The Walrus knows.
Cheers :)
Jack
baglamatzis
mouthpiece.
http://www.practicalturkish.com/nargile-encyclopedia.html
The mouthpiece, I believe, is called the tsibouk (tsibouki). Hence the
greek sexual connotation about "giving me a b-j" .... kanemou ena
tsibouki.
I stand to be corrected, but I'm feelin pretty confident right about
now.
Ta leme,
Jack
mastouras
guarantee since I can remember old chaps enjoying it in public in the
cafes on Aegina waterfront. Just water. "
What do you mean by you "remember old chaps" - I see them doing it
every other night when I get take way for dinner, and it's not just old
guys smoking them.... hehehehe I tried it once
withese Lebanese kids, smooth tasting gape & apple flavoured tobacco..
but I digress
In rembetologia by Elias Petropoulos, he makes the statement that some
manges smoekd with arghiles filled with milk for smoothness, wonder if
it's true or a "legend", (I don't know was milk expensive then,
therefore it was a sign of acheivement to be able to have milk to use ?
)
OTAN KAPNISEI O LOULAS - I first read somewhere a description that the
song may have been about an ouzo still..or something else... then a
friend who knew my father was telling me something else (can't
remember)... I don;t know, does anyone else find that a little strange,
I mean the wrods were pretty plain to me.... lol
The_Walrus
Nikos A. Politis wrote:
> no, Chris, loulas is the mouthpiece, not the bowl or jar.
I stand corrected! Then I fall over....
Are there any words for the bowl that will be in the songs?
Georgios Dimitroglou
Btw. harman means harvest in turkish, and χαρμάνι means blend in
greek. I wonder how they are related. But on the other hand, finding
the LOGIC behind the drug-users' slang is maybe a bit contradictible.
;-)
The_Walrus
The site shows a terracotta looking bowl, or clay, and gives the word
"lüle" for it... and "clay" is the word that comes out of the
automated translation machines when I put αργιλε into them. So
the whole mighty device gets referred to as "the clay" in songs. Now
I'm really confused, as I tend to believe Nikos when he tells me
something.
mastouras
smoke all day, so he's been a "harmanis" since last night....
"Ela Gianni na foumaris, pou eisai ap' to prwi harmanis" (forgot which
song that's from)
Georgios Dimitroglou
coconuts. After cleaning out the meat from the coconut, he writes,
"Afterwards you put the reed with the loula on top in the σέρι
[which I don't know the meaning of]. O loulas is the same as the one on
the glass argiles in the city where they smoke plain tobacco. O loulas
is made from clay."
He later tells that they used a καλαμάκι, some kind of reed,
about the width of his thumb and the length of two pencils. And that
the coconut had a ντουμανότρυπα (smoke hole) on one side
and, the σέρι in the middle and the hole for the kalami on the
other side. He also tells us that everybody smoked form the same
kalami, no matter how many they where.
So my explanation is this: λουλάς means the bowl, καλάμι
(reed) is mouthpiece. This is because in the tekes they didn't smoke
from a "hose" like they do with modern waterpipes. Or as Markos says,
the ones in the city used for tobacco.
Georgios
Xemangas
same sexual connotation as in french , and that the loulas is the mouth
piece; the regular smokers have their own, sometimes in precious stuff
like amber, to adapt at narghile in the narghile café (yet now in
Istambul); dont confuse narghile and tsibouki: "Etsi tin pernane oli i
pasadhes tou dounia/ m'arghiledes me tsiboukia, m'aggalies ke me
philia"; the tube between the water-pot and the loulas is the kalami. A
little ball of hasch is call the Tsika: "To loula mas tone spasi, ke
tin tsika mas t'arpasi". The ball of tobacco, eventually stuffed with
H, is the glava. So was I teached by greek friends. Ya sas
Xemangas
desperately to smoke : "Thora klen'ola t'alania/ pou tha minoune
harmania " (To vapori ap'tin Persia)
AKRITAS
Georgios Dimitroglou <gedi...@student.uu.se> wrote:
In Markos autobiografia he describes how they made argilés from
coconuts. After cleaning out the meat from the coconut, he writes,
"Afterwards you put the reed with the loula on top in the σÎÏ Î¹
[which I don't know the meaning of]. O loulas is the same as the one on
the glass argiles in the city where they smoke plain tobacco. O loulas
is made from clay."
He later tells that they used a καλαμάκι, some kind of reed,
about the width of his thumb and the length of two pencils. And that
the coconut had a Î½Ï„Î¿Ï…Î¼Î±Î½ÏŒÏ„Ï Ï…Ï€Î± (smoke hole) on one side
and, the
AKRITAS
Mr. Narghile
hearinf "yia sou Markos hasani" in some song...
AKRITAS
Nikos A. Politis
the cover to a distillation aggregate is also called loulas. Now I
looked into the literature and I can confirm I am wrong. In the
narghile, loulas is indeed the bowl in which the mixture burns. I
should have thought of "otan kapnizei o loulas". Sorry.
Mastouras, narghile has died out in Greece decades ago. In places like
Turkey, Lebanon and others it never did, in some places (e.g. Germany)
it has been introduced recently and is greatly en vogue.
The full lyrics of Mitsakis' "otan kapnizei..." (first couple)
are:
Otan kapnizei o loulas, esy den prepei na milas. Kyttaxe, trigiro oi
manges kanoun oloi toumbeki.
As the loulas smokes out, better not talk. Look at the manges around,
all are "making toumbeki".
Toumbeki is the tobacco suitable for the narghile and in a teke, the
servant would normally sit discreetly aside cutting it to suitably thin
lengths. As a servant, he should not intervene with the customers and
if he did, he was warned: "stay by your toumbeki and keep cutting it
to thin pieces" ("kane toumbeki").
Chris, Nick can be wrong, your automated translators never can:
Arghil(l)os is the "katharevoussa" name for clay or red earth. Not
to be confused with arghile / narghile.
Nikos A. Politis
trouble).
AKRITAS
Kounadis interprets the word as "vasani" meaning troubled (from vasano,
trouble).
Who/What is Kounadis? I am guessing an author of some book?-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jack
talk" and not "be silent and cut your toumbeki at peaces"
Jack
Mr. Narghile
as sustitutes for the whole?
For example, in Markos' "The Loulas strengthens me" (Ores me threphei o
loulas), I'm sure he doesn't mean the "clay bowl", right? he means the
argile?
Jack
The_Walrus
not leave one with withdrawal symptoms when it is absent, unlike other
drugs. Yes, I have heard about psychological dependance, which I assume
is what they are talking about.
mastouras
(black) only... or were they talking about grass / weed as well ? more
of a question relating to the use of slang ./ language.. Walrus, when
you said pot, did you mean hash as well as grass ? (england vs.
australia slang....in australia, it's mostly grass (and most is
hydropinic these days) where as I've heard other places, most readily
available is only hash
The_Walrus
the adverts Google is putting on this thread? I assume μαυρακι
to be a black sticky hashish of the kind that used to come from
Pakistan in the early 70s, though the Greeks were probably getting
theirs from Persia or somewhere Ottoman. I read that good grass grew on
Syros, where Markos was a lad. I don't know if it was used in that form
or just the hash was collected, and the rest given to the donkeys.
I'm surprised there is much hydroponic cultivation in Australia, as I
thought you had lots of hot fairly dry places that nobody visits much.
I'm rather out of touch here, and relying on memory. It's not that I
wouldn't, but as a responsible Daddy, I feel I shouldn't!
Xemangas
it can be very strong, the world without H seems to be hosted by
martians.
Second: they were producing haschish in Greece , in the North. The
french adventurer Henry de Monfreid says in his book "La croisière du
Haschish" that he bought H in Greece to sell it in Egypt, surprisingly
enough.
The most famous H mentioned in the Rebetika came from Bursa, in Turkey,
and that region was full of greeks before the Katastrophi. It was
allowed in Greece under the ottoman domination, they smoked in the
Kafe-aman and at home, and thus most of the old rebetes coming from the
anatolian coast were used to smoke since their youth. The phenomenon of
the tekedes appeared when H was forbidden
AKRITAS
Jack
in Grece to that time, legal of course, until the forbiddance.
The stuff from Prousa (prousalio) should be the best and more expensive.
AKRITAS
Nikos A. Politis
researcher in Greece today. He has published many articles, books etc.
and produced many retro CDs. Perhaps I should add that the word vasani
(βασάνη) will not be found in any greek dictionary. It is bad
greek, probably a word improvised by the one that intervened during
recording in the studio.
Jack, “toumbeki” has exactly the meaning you cite, I already
mentioned that.
Mastouras, mavro / mavraki is just another word for it, in Greece we do
not distinguish between hash and grass, of course. And certainly,
southern Greece is well known for good quality stuff, although it is
very difficult to find because of restrictions. Norhtern Greece stuff
is considered to be lower quality and albanian just junk. Prousalio
(Bursa / Proussa is merely an anagramatism) is considered best oriental
quality.
Jack
mouth and suck like the pipe, or the action [perno tsimbouki/ i suck
(on something with my mouth)]
AND (thats a funny coincidnce!! ) tsimbouki as a "title" has the same
meaning as sucker in english!!! (like you say he' s a sucker >in greek>
egine tsimbouki)
Jack
repeat sometimes something, also i may sometimes not understand
something i read and i post the same thing just in case.....
oh and i shoyld not forget that i 'm reading the forum sometimes under
some alcohol influence that makes everything harder :) :) :) :) :) :)
:D
nicos
nicos
forget the charcoal and the diffrent woods that could be used for the
best smoke! lite up the chaliice.
The_Walrus
xristos
manges kanoun oloi toumbeki.
The above phrase can have 2 meanings
1) As the loulas smokes out, better not talk. Look at the manges
around,
all are "making toumbeki". Toumbeki is the tobacco suitable for the
narghile AS pointed by Akritas
2) As the loula smokes better dont talk Look at the magges around they
have all shutup.........
TOUBEKI IS A PIREOTIKO SLANG ............IF YOU WANT TO TELL SOME
ONE TO SHUTUP YOU TELL HIM "" KANE TOUBEKI""
I beleive it is the second
this ofcourse can only be varified by the one who wrote the song
as he only knows what he meant.
The_Walrus
the world will think you mean Heroin. You will get a visit from the
CIA. Incidentally, have you seen this web site
http://www.wayofinfiniteharmony.org/ ? The music samples are
fascinating...
The_Walrus
The automatic translators can be a real pain, I had to change silk back
to Metaxas (wash my mouth out) in one section of the book I was working
on.
Xemangas
prononciation: hash) for haschish.
Fascinating link ! Well, in the past, I learned 3 years chinese, and
went there many times, working during my holidays for a tourist agency;
I'm very found of chinese culture. Did anybody try to play rebetika on
a chinese pipa ?
Xemangas
nicos
The_Walrus
Tiffany Dunn
rebetic words bit. Thanks for writing it in Greek and Greeklish, so
we can all learn both. I really hope this thread takes of. I just
wish I could help with it!
On 3/7/06, The_Walrus <wal...@doctor-dark.co.uk> wrote:
> Here's a couple to start the thread...
>
> áñãéëå argile the sacred narghile
> ëïèëáó loulas the bowl of the narghile
>
>
>
hennadervish
who came to the US in the early 1900s told my mother that he had fought
bitterly with his dad because his dad was growing pot -- they came from
a tiny village in Mantinea not far from Kapsia! This would tend to
support my pappous' story.
This is a really interesting thread!