Baglama saz tunings

[Mene...@aol.com]

Please be aware that the baglama of the Turkish saz family is quite larger than the Greek baglama. Sazes typically come in four sizes from smallest to largest: cura, baglama, divan sazi and meydan sazi. The closest equivalent to the Greek baglama would be the cura. The Turkish baglama is about the same size as a bouzouki and indeed uses a variety of tunings.



Michael G. Kaloyanides, Ph.D.
Coordinator of Music
University of New Haven
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[zorz bate]

yes, we have a lot of turkish saz players in stuttgart germany and i
wondered about the tuning and the scales. -is it right, that they have
quarter steps - not only half tone (note) steps?

On 11 Nov., 16:48, Menela...@aol.com wrote:
> Please be aware that the baglama of the Turkish saz family is quite larger
> than the Greek baglama. Sazes typically come in four sizes from smallest to
> largest: cura, baglama, divan sazi and meydan sazi. The closest equivalent to the
> Greek baglama would be the cura. The Turkish baglama is about the same size as
> a bouzouki and indeed uses a variety of tunings.
>
> Michael G. Kaloyanides, Ph.D.
> Coordinator of Music
> University of New Haven
> 203.393.0310

> mkaloyani...@newhaven.edu
> Menela...@aol.com

[Nikos A. Politis]

Zorz, what Europeans and Americans call "quarter tones" is absolutely
wrong. The reality is much more complicated that simply dividing a
semitone in two 50 cent pieces (which does not happen anyway, in the
oriental intervals), with three tones of varying lengths, two
semitones and two or more overtones (of lengths up to three
semitones). To understand what is happening, one needs books and
years of study.

[The_Walrus]

Nikos is referring to the way things are divided into nine commas. If
only I could remember if it was a whole tone or a semi tone that made
nine commas, then I would be on the way...

Everyone except Zorz, please order my recordings. Thanks for the order
Zorz!

[Ali Fuat AYDIN]

Hi everyone,

I am playing that instrument since 1981 (for 26 years), unfortunately
one who wants detailed info about it should learn Turkish since almost
all the documents are in Turkish. Anyway

Nowadays baglama is the common name for a family of instruments
differing in dimensions.

There are more than 30 tuning systems( düzen).

Kara düzen (Bozuk düzen) ADG (from bottom to top)
Bağlama düzeni ADE or DGA (depending on the length)
Misket düzeni ADF#
Müstezat düzeni I ADF
Müstezat düzeni II ACG
Azeri düzeni ABG
Zurna düzeni (Hüdayda düzeni) ADD

In Turkey;
in folk music mostly B, C or C# is accepted as A
in classical art music mainly E is accepted as A.

There are generally 17 notes per octave
A Bb Bb2 B C C#3 C# D Eb Eb2 E F F#3 F# G Ab Ab2 A

Bb2 is in the mid point between A and C, and has relative frequency of
12/11.
similarly C#3 is between B and D having relative frequency 9/8*12/11=27/22.

And for zurna please see my paper which I have presented in the zeybek
conference which has been held in London in July 2007.

Best regards

Ali Fuat

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[zorz bate]

po po po, this is not easy, i will go to an turkish teacher in my
neighborhood and also i `ll listen the recordings from hydra. we have
a lot of greeks but no baglama teacher.
and i play it my way

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[nicos]

thank you ,incredible duzeni ! how about the tanboura do'es anyone
know the douzen of these? ps chris I will order as soon as my bank
starts smiling!

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[Ali Fuat AYDIN]

generally kara duzen is used for all members of the baglama family. But
the reference pitch will be chosen depending on the string diameter and
sound. For tanbura the lower strings have the diameter of 20 mm.

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On Nov 11, 2007, at 6:14 PM, Ali Fuat AYDIN wrote:

There are generally 17 notes per octave

A Bb Bb2 B C C#3 C# D Eb Eb2 E F F#3 F# G Ab Ab2 A

Bb2 is in the mid point between A and C, and has relative frequency of 

12/11.

similarly C#3 is between B and D having relative frequency 9/8*12/11=27/22.

Thank you very much for explaining this with intervals and math. I will save this for future reference. I feel certain that I can learn how to find and use these notes without too many years of study, given such kind and generous help as yours.

--moonie