Re: [psychohistory-historicalmotivations] PH Russia Maintains Heavy Georgian Presence (Atlas)

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Lloyd DeMause

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Sep 9, 2008, 2:17:26 PM9/9/08
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Oddly enough, Russians seem not to care much these days about Putin's dictatorial ways.
And their economy has been soaring.  So I suggest their new military moves on Georgia are
a result not of a sense of "failure" but a result of success, fears of individuation, growth panic.
Lloyd

On Sep 9, 2008, at 2:17 PM, Jerrold Atlas wrote:

[This news about a heavy Russian footprint in Georgia better
reflects the other needs of Putin -- controlling the nation amid
economic crisis and diverting his people's attention from the 
failed Russian state.  Without news and information about where
the nation';s wealth funds are going, Russians have no clue other
than in their ordinary daily lives.  This has become increasingly
bitter and this means that Putin senses this rising tide of popular
unrest and has used expansionism and patriotism to divert his 
people.

That it has worked so well is a revelation about the awfulness 
better than any investigative reportage would provide.  In fact, 
investigative journalists are simply murdered.  

This has become a nation under increasing authoritarian control 
 -- something colleague Bart Kaplan too often misses.  In Bart's
idealization of the Russian system and old Marxist theory, he
misses the reality of things in Russia now and how Putin has
profoundly altered governance and life there.  Nor does he 
recognize the expansionist approach being used and how this 
impacts the rest of the world and Putin's neighbors.  Nevertheless,
Bart's posts are filled with a specific assessment of the failed
capitalist system that reflects his views. They have the merit 
in emphasizing the failure of the US system to deliver value to
the many while limiting reward to the precious few.

I hope List members will be excited enough to discuss this
topic and Putin's actions more while also recognizing the PH
theories and applications we try hard to do here.      J ATLAS]
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Russia to keep 7,600 troops in 2 Georgia regions

By STEVE GUTTERMAN, Associated Press Writer



Russia announced Tuesday it would keep 7,600 troops in Abkhazia and South Ossetia 

for the foreseeable future, asserting power in the breakaway regions even as it began a pullout from positions deeper in Georgia.


The Kremlin's plans for a heavy military footprint in the enclaves mock Georgia's hopes 

that a revised peace agreement will lead to a complete Russian withdrawal from the fractured country at the heart of a bitter fray between Moscow and the West.


The deal that emerged from a day of frantic French diplomacy Monday may defuse 

tension by removing Russian forces from positions they hold in Georgia weeks after last month's war. But it left serious questions unanswered.


After hours of talks with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev promised to withdraw all Russian forces from positions outside Abkhazia and South Ossetia within about a month.


Medvedev's pledge seemed like a startling concession from Moscow, which had 

adamantly claimed to have met its obligations under the cease-fire brokered by Sarkozy last month. As recently as Sunday, Georgia said Russia was reinforcing its positions around a key port.


But even as it promises to pull back from positions outside South Ossetia and Abkhazia, Russia is strengthening its grip on the separatist regions themselves. That runs counter 

to Western demands that they remain a part of Georgia and casts a shadow over 

President Mikhail Saakashvili's hopes of uniting the nation.


On Tuesday, Russian forces pulled out of a position near Abkhazia, officials and residents said. Georgia's Rustavi-2 television showed residents of the Black Sea coastal town of Ganmukhuri rejoicing at the Russian departure.


"We have regained our freedom," said one woman.


Georgian Security Council chief Alexander Lomaia said the Russians had maintained

three or four armored personnel carriers and a few dozen troops at the post. He said it 

was one of 24 Russian checkpoints or positions outside Abkhazia or South Ossetia as

of Tuesday morning.


Russia's RIA-Novosti news agency cited an unidentified Defense Ministry official as 

saying that a full withdrawal had begun Tuesday. However, Defense Ministry spokesmen could not be reached to comment on the report.


At the Russian checkpoint at Karaleti, on the main road leading from Georgian-controlled territory to South Ossetia, there was no sign of a pullout. And Interior Ministry official 

Shota Utiashvili said later Tuesday that there had been no other withdrawal activity.


In Moscow, Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov told Medvedev in a televised meeting Tuesday that about 3,800 troops will be based each in South Ossetia and in Abkhazia

— a far larger presence than before the war.


Russia's Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov suggested they would stay indefinitely, saying they were needed to prevent Georgia from trying to regain control of the regions, which Russia has recognized as independent. Only Nicaragua has joined Russia in recognizing the enclaves as independent.


"They will remain there for a long time," Lavrov told reporters of the troops. "Their 

presence there will be needed at least for the foreseeable future to prevent any relapses 

of aggressive actions."


Russia repelled Georgia's Aug. 7 offensive against South Ossetia and sent troops and tanks deep into Georgia. Most Russian troops withdrew late last month but ringed the regions with checkpoints and deployed hundreds of soldiers near the Black Sea port of Poti.


Russia has painted Saakashvili as a dangerously bellicose leader encouraged to use 

force by the United States, which is vying with Russia for influence in the key transit corridor for Caspian and Central Asian oil and gas.


A senior U.S. official, Undersecretary of Defense Eric Edelman, told lawmakers at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing Tuesday that the United States is reviewing how to help Georgia rebuild its military.


Georgia blames Russia for the war and is calling for a complete withdrawal of Russian forces, including from Abkhazia and South Ossetia. 


"There is no way Georgia will ever give up a piece of its sovereignty, a piece of its 

territory," Saakashvili said Tuesday. 


Apparent differences in interpretation threatened further disputes. 


Lavrov suggested that Russia and the European Union may be at odds over the mandate 

of EU observers to be deployed in areas surrounding Abkhazia and South Ossetia by 

Oct. 1. The deal obliges Russia to pull out of those regions within 10 days of the deployment. 


Sarkozy and Georgian officials said EU monitors would have access to the separatist regions themselves. Lavrov, however, said only observers from the United Nations and the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe could be deployed there. 


Georgia also vociferously objected to Russia's insistence that Abkhazia and South 

Ossetia be represented at an international conference beginning Oct. 15 in Geneva. 


"This is absolutely unacceptable for Georgia. We are not going to talk to war criminals," Georgia's Reintegration Minister Temur Yakobashvili said. "They are not a side in this conflict. They are puppets of the Russian side."

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Associated Press writers David Nowak, Vladimir Isachenkov and Mike Eckel in Moscow and Misha Dzhindzhikhashvili in Karaleti, Georgia, contributed to this report.



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