Fwd: Re: [Hacksol] Fwd: Mockups, further explanations and asking for help
Antonio Pardo
-------- Mensaje original --------
Asunto: Re: [Hacksol] Fwd: Mockups, further explanations and asking for help
Fecha: Tue, 24 May 2011 13:59:00 +0200
De: cbr <espejo...@gmail.com>
Responder a: hac...@listas.tomalaplaza.net
Para: hac...@listas.tomalaplaza.net
This looks awesome.
I think that the ideal tool for this purpose should be something
capable of replicate as close as possible a face to face discussion
between a group of people in the 'non-virtual' world, and that
provides all the extra advantages of descentralization and information
proccesing that internet can give us.
And this one look like this, a place where you can put a proposal,
then people can vote it, point at problems, advantages and
disadvantages, possible obstacles, suggest modifications to the
original proposal, etc, and then all the same things (voting,
discussions, ..) can be done for every one of these 'modifications'.
It would be a huge amount of information, but at the same time
extremely organized, so it could be analyzed and a lot of usefull info
could be extracted from it.
2011/5/23 Antonio Pardo <apa...@sindominio.net>:
> Buenas,
>
> me explico. Desde Madrid-Ruby se ha lanzado una propuesta para
> desarrollar una herramienta chula de participación ciudadana, otros lo
> llamarán democrática. El caso es que por ahora no hay un roadmap
> definido, por lo que igual no será el primer software de participación
> que usemos.
>
> Nuestra plataforma es Wordpress, necesitamos que las/los que lo dominen
> propongan módulos de colaboración entre usuarios/as. Tiene que ser
> pronto, creo. Así que propongo que para esta tarde este sea un punto
> importante de la asamblea.
>
> Nos vemos
>
> Ñu!
>
>
> El 23/05/11 16:10, Antonio Pardo escribió:
>>
>>
>> -------- Mensaje original --------
>> Asunto: Mockups, further explanations and asking for help
>> Fecha: Mon, 23 May 2011 05:41:11 -0700 (PDT)
>> De: Rafa D. Latorre López Villalta <sau...@gmail.com>
>> Responder a: real-de...@googlegroups.com
>> Para: Real Democracy <real-de...@googlegroups.com>
>>
>> Hi to everyone!
>>
>> I'm glad to see how this group is getting followers little by little,
>> so it's time to do some work.
>>
>> I've made a few Mockups to help understanding how the portal should
>> work. Here we have the index view:
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sauco82/5750643946/sizes/l/in/photostream/
>>
>> As you can see the main element on this view are Government Areas, and
>> succesful proposals on those areas.
>>
>> As a user, with a little glance you can read both the title and the
>> intro and get an idea of what it's wanted to achieve.
>> With just this, the user is able to support (sorry forgot to draw the
>> support button), ignore o get deeper into the proposal, supporting
>> it's pros, cons or features.
>>
>> Some proposals would be hard to write directly, that's why is there a
>> "Lastest Discussions" area, to decide wich topics should be treated.
>>
>> If you get deeper on the Proposal view this is what you get:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/sauco82/5750643836/sizes/l/in/photostream/
>>
>> As a user you could only suppor either the proposal or a single
>> problem affecting with this support to the score. At any moment you
>> could change your chosen option or simple choose not to support any.
>> (Obviously I forgot to show the buttons here too)
>>
>> We can see three different states of problems: Pending, Solved and
>> Unsolvable
>>
>> * Pending is the initial state of every problem, if an user support it
>> the score will be substracted from the main proposal. It's labeled as
>> pending because adding modifications to the proposal text could solve
>> the problem.
>>
>> * Solved problems, are those which have modified the original text,
>> the way to do this would be a bit tricky but I believe it would be the
>> most fair: In the problems discussions the modifications would be
>> submitted to voting by the problem supporters, if enough (How should
>> we decide how many is "enough"?) people vote it positively many things
>> would happen:
>> -> The negative effect of the supports to the problem on the score
>> would be nullified
>> -> The only remaining negative effect would be the ones who voted
>> negatively the modification
>> -> People who voted positively the modification would support the new
>> proposal
>> -> People who supported the original proposal could agree or disagree
>> with the modifications, rejecting them and making the problem pending
>> again, with all it takes
>>
>> * Unsolvable problems would be those which because of their nature
>> can't be solved by changing the proposal. In any case they could be
>> discussed
>>
>> Finally we can see "Sub Issues" section. It would describe how to
>> solve/carry on the proposal itself, they would work exactly like a
>> proposal and could have problems, supports and nested issues
>>
>> So, what do you think? Should we begin with this or do you have a
>> better idea?
>> How should we decide how many votes are enough to add amendments to
>> proposals?
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>
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Antonio Pardo
> I little question fellow geeks,
>
> I 've just realized that twitter has been filtering twits we post to
> #cabemostodas #democraciareal, I don't know exactly what is happening
> but I can't see any of my twits there, I asked some friends to monitor
> the hashtags and they CAN'T see anything neither. Maybe I am being
> paranoid about all persecution and manipulation that exists in all these
> media, because TV here in Spain is already fading away the protest's
> news, I believe they are doing that to try to extinguish our protest in
> a quiet way, have anyone had this problem?
>
> We REALLY NEED our own platform!!!!!
https://network.takethesquare.net/
Rafa D. Latorre López Villalta
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