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?
Nov 12, 2009, 2:36:22 AM11/12/09
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Ive just realized that they make 6 mm paintballs designed to be fired
from airsoft guns! Would these be legal under tank combat rules?
Airsoft guns are much smaller and cheaper, and would be easier and
more compact to install in a small turret as they are electronic..no
co2, spring fed magazines... or could be used to model a coaxial
ranging machine gun!
Ed
from airsoft guns! Would these be legal under tank combat rules?
Airsoft guns are much smaller and cheaper, and would be easier and
more compact to install in a small turret as they are electronic..no
co2, spring fed magazines... or could be used to model a coaxial
ranging machine gun!
Ed
Ben Holko
Nov 12, 2009, 4:17:40 AM11/12/09
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Now that is interesting....any comments from hes who must be obeyed?
Pureteenlard
Nov 12, 2009, 5:30:08 AM11/12/09
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Just a couple of points, one from experience and the other from what
I've read. Firstly the .40 (10mm) paintballs fired by Phil's Locust
ricochet more often and make a much less obvious splat on a tank than
a .68 calibre ball. They are also a lot less easy to see in flight
which makes correcting your aim more difficult. A 6mm paintball is
going to make a very small mark and could lead to many arguments about
how many hits have been inflicted.
Secondly, all comments I've read on 6mm paintballs say the same thing;
They are the devils invention and exist only to break inside, and
therefore gum up terminally, the works of your airsoft gun.
I'd still be very interested to hear anyones experiences with 6mm
paintballs because if they are even moderately successful it makes
building small armoured vehicles much easier.
I've read. Firstly the .40 (10mm) paintballs fired by Phil's Locust
ricochet more often and make a much less obvious splat on a tank than
a .68 calibre ball. They are also a lot less easy to see in flight
which makes correcting your aim more difficult. A 6mm paintball is
going to make a very small mark and could lead to many arguments about
how many hits have been inflicted.
Secondly, all comments I've read on 6mm paintballs say the same thing;
They are the devils invention and exist only to break inside, and
therefore gum up terminally, the works of your airsoft gun.
I'd still be very interested to hear anyones experiences with 6mm
paintballs because if they are even moderately successful it makes
building small armoured vehicles much easier.
Frank Pittelli
Nov 12, 2009, 10:45:19 AM11/12/09
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? wrote:
> Ive just realized that they make 6 mm paintballs designed to be fired
> from airsoft guns! Would these be legal under tank combat rules?
> Ive just realized that they make 6 mm paintballs designed to be fired
> from airsoft guns! Would these be legal under tank combat rules?
Perfectly legal, any size paintball can be used.
But, that doesn't mean that any size paintball is "practical". Smaller
paintballs don't fly as far and don't break as well as standard size
paintballs (because the skin-to-weight ratio is higher). Nonetheless,
the rules were designed to allow you to make as many decisions yourself
as possible, even if it's the wrong decision :-)
Frank P.
Phil
Nov 12, 2009, 6:23:33 PM11/12/09
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Pete's right- the 40mm paintballs are difficult to see in flight and
tend to richochet. One point I'd add is that they are much better at
close range, and oddly enough they are easier to see in a wood as
opposed to an open field. With small paintballs there's little point
in standing back and blasting- you need to charge in close and go
eyeball to eyeball.
If you wanted to build something really small like a motorcycle and
sidecar or small armoured car 6mm balls might work.
Phil P
tend to richochet. One point I'd add is that they are much better at
close range, and oddly enough they are easier to see in a wood as
opposed to an open field. With small paintballs there's little point
in standing back and blasting- you need to charge in close and go
eyeball to eyeball.
If you wanted to build something really small like a motorcycle and
sidecar or small armoured car 6mm balls might work.
Phil P
Mike Måne
Nov 12, 2009, 7:27:33 PM11/12/09
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How about a normal plastic airsoft gun? If someone were to build an
M2A1 Sherman, for instance, he could install two electric gun systems
in the hull. With proper angling (avoid distant bullet paths to
cross), could they be legally used for destroying strategic targets
and infantry?
-Mike M.
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M2A1 Sherman, for instance, he could install two electric gun systems
in the hull. With proper angling (avoid distant bullet paths to
cross), could they be legally used for destroying strategic targets
and infantry?
-Mike M.
-Mike Måne @
http://moonrcprojects.googlepages.com
Gregory Pwneror
Nov 12, 2009, 10:18:13 PM11/12/09
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Could you clarify what you mean Mike? Do you mean to use plastic BBs and have them as the MGs on the tank and have them fire at arty guards?
-Gregory
-Gregory
Mike Måne
Nov 12, 2009, 11:37:36 PM11/12/09
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Precisely. It is fairly simple to strip down an electric airsoft gun
to its bare bones, since they themselves are typically mostly plastic.
They can probably be connected to the main tank's power and be
triggered by something like the reverse switch of the cannon servo. As
for the ammunition, you could probably engineer a variety of hopper or
magazine feed systems for the plastic pellets.
This weapon system would be near to impossible in tank-to-tank
fighting, but they could be an interesting (realistic and challenging)
addition to the battlefield for destroying minor targets.
-Mike M.
to its bare bones, since they themselves are typically mostly plastic.
They can probably be connected to the main tank's power and be
triggered by something like the reverse switch of the cannon servo. As
for the ammunition, you could probably engineer a variety of hopper or
magazine feed systems for the plastic pellets.
This weapon system would be near to impossible in tank-to-tank
fighting, but they could be an interesting (realistic and challenging)
addition to the battlefield for destroying minor targets.
-Mike M.
Gregory Pwneror
Nov 13, 2009, 12:39:07 AM11/13/09
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Ahh, I get you now.
-Gregory
-Gregory
Steve Tyng
Nov 13, 2009, 10:19:40 AM11/13/09
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Mike wrote:
> This weapon system would be near to impossible in tank-to-tank
> fighting, but they could be an interesting (realistic and challenging)
> addition to the battlefield for destroying minor targets.
Whoever develops the Airsoft machine gun system for R/C Tank Combat
> This weapon system would be near to impossible in tank-to-tank
> fighting, but they could be an interesting (realistic and challenging)
> addition to the battlefield for destroying minor targets.
must also come-up with the complementary infantryman figure that when
hit will grab it's chest, groan, and then fall over to the side.
Steve "Why Not?" Tyng
Clark Ward Jr
Nov 13, 2009, 10:57:20 AM11/13/09
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>
> Whoever develops the Airsoft machine gun system for R/C Tank Combat
> must also come-up with the complementary infantryman figure that when
> hit will grab it's chest, groan, and then fall over to the side.
> Whoever develops the Airsoft machine gun system for R/C Tank Combat
> must also come-up with the complementary infantryman figure that when
> hit will grab it's chest, groan, and then fall over to the side.
And here I was going to be satisfied with infantry having a soft
plastic head full of ketchup...
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Clark in Georgia
Joe Sommer
Nov 13, 2009, 12:45:35 PM11/13/09
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In a hand-cocked Airsoft gun, approximately 65% break upon impact
with a perpendicular hard flat target at close range. In an electric
Airsoft gun, breakage rate falls below 30%. Even at small angles
of incidence they bounce off.
In the hands of a Master Gunner (John, Will), an 0.68 paintball
cannon can be accurate beyond 50 yards. The 0.40 gun in Fred Simms
Quadricycle SV003 was accurate to about 25 yards and is really only
good for eyeball-to-eyeball fighting as described by Pete and Phil.
Fred recorded two infantry kills with his 0.40 gun at very close
range.
I believe that a 6mm electric Airsoft "machine gun" would have
difficulty killing infantry at the standard five foot minimimum
distance specified in Rule IV.6.d.
It would be useless as a coaxial ranging gun.
New 6mm electric guns are much less prone to jamming and only cost
about $20.
http://www.toyeast.com/v3/pdtdetail.asp?pdt_id=A09000166
http://www.toyeast.com/v3/pdtdetail.asp?pdt_id=A02102961
http://www.toyeast.com/v3/pdtdetail.asp?pdt_id=A02106714
http://www.toyeast.com/v3/pdtdetail.asp?pdt_id=A02106784
http://www.toyeast.com/v3/pdtdetail.asp?pdt_id=A02106813
Perhaps new 6mm paintballs have improved. Give them a try
in a Bren Carrier. It is fully tracked and should therefore
be exempt from frontal hits.
Joe
HV
Nov 13, 2009, 3:05:43 PM11/13/09
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I had a couple of the low cost electric airsoft guns similar to the
ones Joe linked to, except I think they were parts from Heng Long
tanks. They were getting very poor range and misfiring often, and
someone told me the problem was due to inferior BBs. But I didn't
investigate further because I decided to go to an IR system.
ones Joe linked to, except I think they were parts from Heng Long
tanks. They were getting very poor range and misfiring often, and
someone told me the problem was due to inferior BBs. But I didn't
investigate further because I decided to go to an IR system.
Gregory Pwneror
Nov 13, 2009, 6:01:12 PM11/13/09
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Hmm, so I could build a Bren Carrier with a 6mm paintball gun, then I would have a tank that could readily become a support vehicle, plus it would look the be cheaper than a proper tank, as the entire thing is smaller. Plus I only need 4 channels for control and fire and it would be harder to hit due to the size. The only problem now is finding a 6mm gun in New Zealand, I guess I'd have to ask the airsoft club.
-Gregory
-Gregory
?
Nov 13, 2009, 7:23:31 PM11/13/09
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I wish I would have rcheched this thread sooner.. I just bought a pack
of 250 6mm paintballs from a local overstock store, they are a joke.
They dont all break,(except the ones that were already broken in the
packege) even at 350 feet per second, point blanc range, into a cinder
block wall! So already they would require a revision of the safety
rules which limit all guns to 250, I believe. When they break they
don't seem to splatter well, only crack. in fact I crushed one in my
fingers to see how difficult they are to break, and it had no filling!
a few of them seem a bit light, and when fired these empty or half
full ones decelerate INSTANTLY, or take some very interesting flight
paths. They do seem to break well in a spring fed magazine though, if
filled to capacity. But if you sorted the ones that are empty or too
deformed to fit the bore, at close range, and increased velocity,
could be a viable weapon.
I believe if you order the clear airsoft guns they are shipped as toys
and can be sent anywhere, even Aust...I mean New Zealand.
Ed
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of 250 6mm paintballs from a local overstock store, they are a joke.
They dont all break,(except the ones that were already broken in the
packege) even at 350 feet per second, point blanc range, into a cinder
block wall! So already they would require a revision of the safety
rules which limit all guns to 250, I believe. When they break they
don't seem to splatter well, only crack. in fact I crushed one in my
fingers to see how difficult they are to break, and it had no filling!
a few of them seem a bit light, and when fired these empty or half
full ones decelerate INSTANTLY, or take some very interesting flight
paths. They do seem to break well in a spring fed magazine though, if
filled to capacity. But if you sorted the ones that are empty or too
deformed to fit the bore, at close range, and increased velocity,
could be a viable weapon.
I believe if you order the clear airsoft guns they are shipped as toys
and can be sent anywhere, even Aust...I mean New Zealand.
Ed
>
> - Show quoted text -
Joe Sommer
Nov 13, 2009, 10:02:55 PM11/13/09
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On Nov 13, 7:23 pm, "?" <edco...@live.ca> wrote:
> I wish I would have rcheched this thread sooner.. I just bought a pack
> of 250 6mm paintballs from a local overstock store, they are a joke.
overstock store. All are probably old, dessicated and
very nasty. Even old 0.68 paintballs do not fly well
or may not break upon impact if dessicated.
If some of our members have Hen Longs or clones,
please buy a fresh pack of 6mm paintballs to report.
Joe
callum.kin...@googlemail.com
Nov 14, 2009, 5:21:40 AM11/14/09
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6mm paintballs would be interesting as a secondary weapon anyway. Even
a very impractical one. Whats the largest paintball you can get???
AS90 self propelled gun anyone? 6mm i guess could be interesting on
any humvees etc that dont have tow missiles.
a very impractical one. Whats the largest paintball you can get???
AS90 self propelled gun anyone? 6mm i guess could be interesting on
any humvees etc that dont have tow missiles.
Clark Ward Jr
Nov 14, 2009, 7:15:22 AM11/14/09
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>
> 6mm paintballs would be interesting as a secondary weapon anyway. Even
> a very impractical one. Whats the largest paintball you can get???
> AS90 self propelled gun anyone? 6mm i guess could be interesting on
> any humvees etc that dont have tow missiles.
>
> 6mm paintballs would be interesting as a secondary weapon anyway. Even
> a very impractical one. Whats the largest paintball you can get???
> AS90 self propelled gun anyone? 6mm i guess could be interesting on
> any humvees etc that dont have tow missiles.
>
I don't have a problem with shooting up infantry or soft-skinned
vehicles with 6mm paintballs... but with some mention of them being
used on vehicles that mounted machine guns, I'd not want the hits
counted against armour. (Not picking on you, Callum, several people
have mentioned it)
I mean, I LOVE the M113 ACAV, but I can't imagine it acheiving a
mission-kill against a tank, even a WW2 (or even WWI) one.
--
Clark in Georgia
Joe Sommer
Nov 14, 2009, 8:26:04 AM11/14/09
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On Nov 13, 10:02 pm, Joe Sommer <anvil...@comcast.net> wrote:
> If some of our members have Hen Longs or clones,
> please buy a fresh pack of 6mm paintballs to report.
"Lot of 4 Precision Ground 6mm Prem Airsoft Paintballs"
Item 350276782052
The vendor states "Not recommended for use in AEG guns"
(automatic electric guns).
I will scrounge around for a spring fired Airsoft pistol.
We shall see if they truly are "precision ground" and
"premium".
I would be pleased to send a batch to any members who
have a Hen Long or clone tank to test.
Joe
Matt
Nov 15, 2009, 4:01:17 PM11/15/09
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As an avid airsofter, I can offer a few tips on these types of
weapons. The current 6mm AEGs can accurately hit a 6-10 inch target at
about 75-100 feet, but not with paintball ammunnition. In these and
other types of guns, we typically use .2 gram to .25 gram precision
bbs. Without this quality of bbs, you probably couldn't hit a tree 40
feet away. Also, the Aegs that fire these pellets but bb-sized dents
into any wood they hit. so unless you want your tanks covered with
golfball-like divets, i wouldn't use them.
If Airsoft bbs were introduced to this sport, I would recommend you
using .12 gram bbs (cheap) fired at around 200-250 fps. In guns like
these http://www.airsplat.com/Categories/EM.htm they would do
little to no damage to tanks and you couild get around 30-40 or maybe
even 50 feet of accuracy. also, these guns will take up very little
room in turrets and are extremely easy to modify.
Spring guns are okay for playing around with, but they are not able to
fire in full auto. they have to be cocked every time you want to
shoot.
So overall, I would not reccommend using airsoft paintballs at all,
but if you wanted to, use mini-electric guns and .12 gram bbs. Oh and
if you wanted to mark the tanks you could try these:
http://gamefaceairsoft.crosman.com/mb20rg.php They are not
paintballs, but they are covered with a sort of powder that marks
objects on impact.
-Matt
weapons. The current 6mm AEGs can accurately hit a 6-10 inch target at
about 75-100 feet, but not with paintball ammunnition. In these and
other types of guns, we typically use .2 gram to .25 gram precision
bbs. Without this quality of bbs, you probably couldn't hit a tree 40
feet away. Also, the Aegs that fire these pellets but bb-sized dents
into any wood they hit. so unless you want your tanks covered with
golfball-like divets, i wouldn't use them.
If Airsoft bbs were introduced to this sport, I would recommend you
using .12 gram bbs (cheap) fired at around 200-250 fps. In guns like
these http://www.airsplat.com/Categories/EM.htm they would do
little to no damage to tanks and you couild get around 30-40 or maybe
even 50 feet of accuracy. also, these guns will take up very little
room in turrets and are extremely easy to modify.
Spring guns are okay for playing around with, but they are not able to
fire in full auto. they have to be cocked every time you want to
shoot.
So overall, I would not reccommend using airsoft paintballs at all,
but if you wanted to, use mini-electric guns and .12 gram bbs. Oh and
if you wanted to mark the tanks you could try these:
http://gamefaceairsoft.crosman.com/mb20rg.php They are not
paintballs, but they are covered with a sort of powder that marks
objects on impact.
-Matt
Matt
Nov 15, 2009, 5:26:09 PM11/15/09
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Oh btw, with cheap safeway sandwich bags, ketchup-filled heads do
"bleed" when hit with the above-mentioned guns. I think i'm going to
install a co-axial gun for my abrams. =)
-Matt
"bleed" when hit with the above-mentioned guns. I think i'm going to
install a co-axial gun for my abrams. =)
-Matt
Clark Ward Jr
Nov 15, 2009, 6:39:51 PM11/15/09
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LOL Matt, thanks for the advice on the special effects :) My sherman
won't have room for a coax, but the M60 will.
won't have room for a coax, but the M60 will.
--
Clark in Georgia
Mike Måne
Nov 15, 2009, 9:04:12 PM11/15/09
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Has anybody before installed a coaxial camcorder in their turret?
-Mike M.
-Mike M.
Kelly G
Nov 15, 2009, 10:09:40 PM11/15/09
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Hi Mike,
I have mounted in my Panther's main gun mantlet coaxial machine gun port a wireless mini-cam that I got from Ebay....
It actually works pretty good. I imagine that if I wanted to record from it, that it wouldn't be very hard to do.
Kelly
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Subject: [TANKS] Re: 6mm paintballs?
copperhead
Nov 16, 2009, 6:32:27 PM11/16/09
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I have a MAC-10 with a 40 round magazine that fires 6mm rounds.
I hooked up an adapter to use a CO2 bottle instead of charging the
magazine with their "green" propellant.
the hard bbs fire great but the 6mm painballs jam 1/2 the time !!!
quality ammo is a big deal with airsoft guns and the 6mm paintballs
are not very good.
maybe a mini cam will work with a fibre optic extension of some sort
run out thru the mantlet.
- Martin
On Nov 15, 10:09 pm, Kelly G <kellyg3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> I have mounted in my Panther's main gun mantlet coaxial machine gun port a wireless mini-cam that I got from Ebay....
> It actually works pretty good. I imagine that if I wanted to record from it, that it wouldn't be very hard to do.
>
> Kelly
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mike Måne <mike082...@gmail.com>
I hooked up an adapter to use a CO2 bottle instead of charging the
magazine with their "green" propellant.
the hard bbs fire great but the 6mm painballs jam 1/2 the time !!!
quality ammo is a big deal with airsoft guns and the 6mm paintballs
are not very good.
maybe a mini cam will work with a fibre optic extension of some sort
run out thru the mantlet.
- Martin
On Nov 15, 10:09 pm, Kelly G <kellyg3...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> I have mounted in my Panther's main gun mantlet coaxial machine gun port a wireless mini-cam that I got from Ebay....
> It actually works pretty good. I imagine that if I wanted to record from it, that it wouldn't be very hard to do.
>
> Kelly
>
> ________________________________
Mike Måne
Nov 16, 2009, 9:10:05 PM11/16/09
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I seriously doubt anybody would be able to actually employ the use of
a 6mm paintball machinegun for their tank. The only method, as I said
earlier, that I can think of is using standard 6mm plastic BBs and
just making special targets that will react to a solid impact.
As for the coaxial camera, I don't know whether or not fibre-optics
would work, but if there is a serious lack of room in the turret, a
series of mirrors could be used.
-Mike M
a 6mm paintball machinegun for their tank. The only method, as I said
earlier, that I can think of is using standard 6mm plastic BBs and
just making special targets that will react to a solid impact.
As for the coaxial camera, I don't know whether or not fibre-optics
would work, but if there is a serious lack of room in the turret, a
series of mirrors could be used.
-Mike M
Kelly G
Nov 19, 2009, 8:11:51 PM11/19/09
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I thought someone found some 6mm bb's that leave some sort of a paint mark or the like behind when they strike a surface?
Is there any reason that something like that could not be used on a tank or armored vehicle?
Myself, I think that it would be a really cool idea to have an airsoft bb machine gun on a tank.... (not as a main gun or weapon of course).
As for a coaxial camera...
The one I use in my Panther works just fine.
Here is a link to one that is very similar to the one I have mounted in the coaxial machine gun port on the main gun mantlet:
No fiber optics, mirrors, wires, or anything complicated... and it works.
Kelly
T-072 Panther
Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 6:10:05 PM
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