FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[Christopher Cote]

I have an orange 58cm Rambouillet. I realize that I rode it twice in 2016. Even less the previous 3-4 years. It's painful to consider selling because it's the most comfortable, nicest riding, and beautiful road bike I've ever ridden. However, I'm mostly an off-road or city rider these days. So, I'd sell the frame/fork/headset for $800 plus shipping. I would consider selling it with some or all of the parts, but boxing up the complete bike and shipping it gives me cold sweats, so we'll have to figure something out there if you want it complete. Local pickup would be even better. I'm in southern Maine. I could probably arrange to meet a buyer in most Northern New England locations.

It has Ultegra derailleurs, brakes, hubs, and headset.

Dura Ace downtube shifters.

Shimano aero levers.

170mm TA Alize triple crank with 24 (I think), 38, and 48 tooth rings and an Axix bottom bracket.

Avocet Fasgrip 700x25 tires. That should tell you how little it's been ridden in the last decade.

Nitto B115 bars and unknown Nitto stem.

Brooks Pro saddle and CLB seatpost with a lot of offset.

Mavic MA something anodized rims.

SKS fenders.

Speedplay Frog pedals, but I'll probably want to keep them.

Cages, pump, and seat bag will be moved to the next bike.

[Frank Brose]

That's a diamond at coal prices judging by the pictures posted. Somebody needs to buy this and ride it. They are indeed a fine riding bike. I know I had one. If I didn't have other things (not even bike related dammit) tugging at the purse strings. I'd snap it up.

[Matt Beecher]

What is the largest tire it can reasonably take with fenders?

Thanks,

Matt

[Christopher Cote]

I think the official figure is 700x28 with fenders. Different rims and tires may affect your results.

[Fullylugged]

From RBW: "More clearance lets you ride a chubbier tire, so you can ride lower tire pressures on rougher roads. For most paved roads you’ll probably be on a 700x23 to 700x28, but if you ride bad roads or fire trails, or load it up with lunch and spare gear, your Rambouillet will easily accept more appropriate, fatter tires—up to 700x38!
If you ride where it rains, you’ll be happy to know your Rambouillet easily accepts fenders, even with tires as large as 700x35. Most modern road bikes can’t accept tires larger than 700x28, and don’t accept fenders at all. They’re suitable only for smooth roads and fair weather. The Rambouillet is an all-surface, all-weather road bike. "

[Steve Palincsar]

That must describe the later generations, because the 1st gen orange
ones certainly didn't fit 38mm tires.

[Bruce Herbitter]

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[mikel...@juno.com]

My 58cm Ramborange will fit a 37mm Pasela....especially in back where the brake bridge is higher than it should be
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[Bruce Herbitter]

Thanks Mike for that datapoint. 

[Steve Palincsar]

I owned one, and I can tell you with assurance that it did not fit 38mm tires.

[Kieran J]

Same here. My 68cm Orange *barely* fits a 700x35 in back without a fender. YMMV.

KJ

[ascpgh]

I have 700x32 Compass Stampede Passes under fender on my orange Rambouillet. Changed OEM Shimano calipers for Paul Racers to eliminate the occasional bump provoked rattle at the resting position.

There is plenty of budget to shop for ancillaries. That's a great bike and price unless you really must have more than 700x32, then this may not be the right bike. Funny things can happen to well handling bikes when tires at the extremes are fitted.

 I've ridden my Rambouillet to and from points all along the GAP/C&O, including the full length with mine. 

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 7:16:30 PM UTC-5, Matt Beecher wrote:

[iamkeith]

I think the 33mm jack browns are the safe bet, and that they were designed by riv specicically, or at least partly, with the ram in mind as a bigger-than-anything-else-theretofore-available retrofit. On my later blue ram, which obviously isn't an accurate comparison, those fit with fenders. Switching to the tektro r539 brakes helped too, just like riv's description says.

As the guy who is most often the loudest about wanting fatter tires, i just dont feel the need on that bike, for the kind of riding it is meant and used for. The ride is sublime and not harsh at all.

[Joe Bernard]

I'll second Keith's thoughts about tires. I've owned a blue Ram and its cousin Romulus, both with 28s, then Pasela 32 on the Rom, and they rode like a dream. Fat tires are great, but the Rambouillet doesn't really need them.

[Justin August]

Rams have also been converted to 650b x 42 with fenders.

-Justin

[Christopher Murray]

38s (and most other sizes) were smaller in the early 2000s.

Cheers!
Chris

[Christopher Cote]

You guys are making thus really hard to let go!

[Joe Bernard]

Well, I'm not saying you should consider that there weren't a ton of them made, and it sure is beautiful... ;-)

[Bruce Herbitter]

Not every Ram owner was thrilled with the bike but it seems most are, as shown by the high level of activity on Ram threads. I have over 13,000 miles on mine and if I could only keep one bike that would be the one. Right now it has 37mm tires but this weekend I'm going back to the stock issue 32s just to change things up.

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[Matt Beecher]

Thanks for all the replies on the tire/fender question.  I've got a Road Standard (maybe custom) that I like, but wish it took slightly larger tires.  It sounds like they run about the same size, maybe one tire size smaller. 

Cheers,

Matt

[Christopher Cote]

Well, I had a few people who were seriously interested, but things didn't work out for various reasons. I going to keep the Ram for now. Maybe give it a makeover in the spring, loose the fenders and swap the triple for a double, and switch to some bigger, lighter tires.

Chris

[Patrick Moore]

This would be a great project for some nice Bon Jon or Stampede tires from Compass (if the BJs run small, as others seem to do, they might fit your older version Ram). Had I not already had 2 road customs, I'd have kept my Ram with the Parigi Roubaix tires -- wonderful combination. With some Orange Seal in the tires there's no reason you can't ride this in the city. I commuted very happily and speedily and smoothly on one of my Riv road customs on indifferent urban pavement on cushy, if too narrow, 22 mm 26 X 1" Specialized Turbos for a couple of years.

Frankly, I agree with the others that you don't need 38 or 42 mm tires on the Ram to make it purr. With the 29 mm actual PRs, mine simply purred; and the more or less same width Compass Elk Passes, even better than the PRs, on my 2 customs, are excessively wonderful on pavement and doughty and smooth on firm dirt and gravel -- I'm 175.

You know, you can switch your triple to a double simply by using the inner 2 positions; say a 44 and a 30, which is what I used with a 14-23 or 24 7 speed. No need to replace or even adjust the bb or fd. 

I did exactly that when I turned a 46/36/24 XD2 with 7 speed into a Guard/38/24 9 speed (this on another bike, a Fargo, the Ram went from the 44/30 Pro 5 Vis 14-23 to a DA 7410 52/38 16-26 9 speed). Again, I didn't need to adjust bb or fd. It all shifted very nicely with Silver bes.

Install some Honjos and some new bar tape in addition to the new double and Compasses, and you'll have a new bike at a tiny fraction of the cost of buying a new one. After all, it's hard to beat that signature Riv road bike handling.

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[Patrick Moore]

I should have added that while the Compass Elk Pass tires are even more gossamer than the Parigi Roubaix, they are a heckuvalot better at shrugging off flats; sealant in both cases. Jan seems to have managed to combing gossamer weight and feather down ride with stout tread.

On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:

This would be a great project for some nice Bon Jon or Stampede tires from Compass (if the BJs run small, as others seem to do, they might fit your older version Ram). Had I not already had 2 road customs, I'd have kept my Ram with the Parigi Roubaix tires -- wonderful combination. With some Orange Seal in the tires there's no reason you can't ride this in the city. I commuted very happily and speedily and smoothly on one of my Riv road customs on indifferent urban pavement on cushy, if too narrow, 22 mm 26 X 1" Specialized Turbos for a couple of years.

Frankly, I agree with the others that you don't need 38 or 42 mm tires on the Ram to make it purr. With the 29 mm actual PRs, mine simply purred; and the more or less same width Compass Elk Passes, even better than the PRs, on my 2 customs, are excessively wonderful on pavement and doughty and smooth on firm dirt and gravel -- I'm 175.

You know, you can switch your triple to a double simply by using the inner 2 positions; say a 44 and a 30, which is what I used with a 14-23 or 24 7 speed. No need to replace or even adjust the bb or fd. 

I did exactly that when I turned a 46/36/24 XD2 with 7 speed into a Guard/38/24 9 speed (this on another bike, a Fargo, the Ram went from the 44/30 Pro 5 Vis 14-23 to a DA 7410 52/38 16-26 9 speed). Again, I didn't need to adjust bb or fd. It all shifted very nicely with Silver bes.

Install some Honjos and some new bar tape in addition to the new double and Compasses, and you'll have a new bike at a tiny fraction of the cost of buying a new one. After all, it's hard to beat that signature Riv road bike handling.

[Christopher Cote]

I was looking at the 700x28 Compass tires (I wish they just used numbers, I can't remember all the names). I bet those would fit even with fenders. But I have one fendered road bike, and maybe another on the way, so the Ram will be reborn as a light(ish) fair weather bike. Going to a double is more for style and differentiation. I rarely have used the granny ring on this bike. It's just tucked in there ready for a bailout if needed.

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[lum gim fong]

On my 54 Blue Rambouillet:

700x32 Compass tires gave me .7cm between tire and fender at fork crown. Too close for comfort!

700x28 Compass tires gave me 1.1cm - still too close!!!!!

So I 650b converted the bike. Also for safety and comfort of wide tires.

Compass 650b x 42  tires and I have about 2cm between fender and tire under the fork crown.

I now have air space between the tires and fenders!!!

And the bike is the same bb height now as my Bleriot!!!

 

[dougP]

Chris:

Excellent decision.  There have been way too many comments on this forum from those who've sold a Rivendell, then find out how badly they miss the bike.  A few changes like those mentioned & it will seem like a new bike.

dougP

[Joe Bernard]

I totally agree with making your Ram a fair weather road double. You'll never get it to 16 lbs. like a plastic wunderbike, but it'd be fun to have a Riv with all extraneous STUFF removed. Go for it!

[Ian A]

Lum Gim Fong:

Out of idle curiosity, what clearance to you have laterally at the fork and chain-stay with the 42mm tires?  

Ian A/Canada

[lum gim fong]

~ 5mm on each side of fork blades

~3mm on each side of chainstays 

[Fullylugged]

Brakes and tires available now were not when the Road and Road Standard were sold, so the bike wasn't designed for them. If converted to 650B, they will just squeeze 38mm tires in or you can run Maxy Fasty (33.4) with fenders. Several of us here on the list have converted to 650B and I've only heard good thoughts from them on it.