B-17 vs Flyer

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

Anyone out there used both? The recent blug entry suggests that there's less rail room for pushing the Flyer back than there is on the B-17. Can someone characterize the difference? 5mm? Over 1cm? An inch?

I love my B-17 but am "Flyer-curious", shall we say, after having ridden a little on a friend's B-67 recently. I liked those springs.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

[Kelly Sleeper]

Well if I ever get out of Denver and back home I'll measure for you. Just put one on my Bombadil and didn't notice a difference. At 225lbs it can feel bouncy at times. Then again I've only got 100 miles on it.. I will know more after 50 ish mile ride Saturday.

Kelly

[Joe Bernard]

This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me.

[cyclotourist]

I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly.  And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky.  Don't know about the rail lenghts.

On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me.

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[Ray Shine]

At 180 pounds, the springs on my Flyer barely and rarely compress enough to feel or even sense. I am still riding the "old" way, by shifting weight onto the pedals if I see a pot hole, tracks, sharp curb, etc.  For me and my riding style, the springs are virtually useless. The leather on my Flyer is not at all saggy. Quite the opposite. It is the hardest Brooks I have ever owned (and, frankly, the most attractive in terms of brown tints and tones). The saddle is heavy, also. All that said, I still have it mounted on my Quickbeam for some reason.

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Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 9:09:56 PM
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

The springs on the Flyer on my Atlantis squeak, too, but I find it soothing somehow.  They're definitely responding to bumps etc (i'm 190 or so).  And despite the fact that my Flyer is carved for decoration (I know, I know -- I can be a bit of a dandy), the leather has held up extremely well.  Never wet, though.

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[Chuck]

I'm currently using one of each, and to be honest I've never noticed a difference in usable rail length. There probably is a difference, but I'll have to do some measuring to check it out. At 160 lbs, I don't really notice any major difference in the ride on either, although I *think* I can feel the springs on the flyer working occasionally.

Chuck

[Dennis]

I have been lurking a while as I wait for my AHH frame to arrive (RIV
content) - I have lots of questions about the build but thought I'd
comment on the Flyer question. I originally got the VO Model 5 saddle
for my Trek 880 (a resurrected hybrid) and used it successfully for
some loaded touring and longer day rides. I did find that the string
that holds the sides together would stretch and in some cases break
allowing the saddle to sag somewhat. Dealing with this issue, I still
felt that the springs gave a comfortable ride. I now have a Flyer on
my Rocky Mountain Sherpa touring bike and have found it to be even
more comfortable - I have used it on numerous day rides, a couple
loaded overnights, a couple 200km brevets and 1/2 of this year's Cycle
Oregon (the 1/2 is another story) - all told probably about 2500-3000
miles. I really don't notice the springs unless I am riding on root
strewn trails or when an unexpected pothole pops up. Then it is great
because of the shock absorbing nature of the springs. The only other
time I might notice the springs is when I am in the wrong gear and
spinning madly like a hamster and bouncing up & down on the saddle.
Cannot blame the saddle for that though. I love the firm leather and
did not really experience any breakin-period though I did give it the
proofride treatment top and bottom initially.
However, I am looking to experiment with a B17 on the AHH when it
arrives.

FWIW
Dennis (hoping for good news from RIV soon) Hogan



On Oct 7, 6:59 am, "Allingham II, Thomas J"

<Thomas.Alling...@skadden.com> wrote:
> The springs on the Flyer on my Atlantis squeak, too, but I find it soothing somehow.  They're definitely responding to bumps etc (i'm 190 or so).  And despite the fact that my Flyer is carved for decoration (I know, I know -- I can be a bit of a dandy), the leather has held up extremely well.  Never wet, though.
>
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> From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Shine
> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:17 AM
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
>
> At 180 pounds, the springs on my Flyer barely and rarely compress enough to feel or even sense. I am still riding the "old" way, by shifting weight onto the pedals if I see a pot hole, tracks, sharp curb, etc.  For me and my riding style, the springs are virtually useless. The leather on my Flyer is not at all saggy. Quite the opposite. It is the hardest Brooks I have ever owned (and, frankly, the most attractive in terms of brown tints and tones). The saddle is heavy, also. All that said, I still have it mounted on my Quickbeam for some reason.
>
> ________________________________

> From: cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>

> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thu, October 6, 2011 9:09:56 PM
> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: B-17 vs Flyer
>
> I found the leather on two different Flyer saddles to stretch and lose tension really quickly.  And the springs were always annoyingly squeaky.  Don't know about the rail lenghts.
>

> On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com<mailto:joerem...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> This is a fuzzy memory from 5 years ago, but I would estimate the difference is about a centimeter. Grant is right about the springs: At 160lbs. back then (oh, glory days), the only difference between the two saddles was looks and weight. Those springs didn't even buzz for me.
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