New Newbaum's bar tape & shellacking question

[Joan Oppel]

I really like Newbaum's tape, mostly because I like the colors and how they deepen with shellacking.  My Bleriot came from Rivendell with cloth tape wrapped over cork tape underneath and shellacked.  That was 6 years ago and I really liked how it felt and lasted.  I've since re-done in the same way the Bleriot bars, other bars and a few days ago did another bike with Newbaum's over cork - there are 4 separate shots of the tape:

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/30856149@N04/8135995899/in/photostream/

So, the Newbaum's is somewhat fragile and really needs to be shellacked, I think.  Here's the question:  after wrapping, I put on 3 coats of shellac over a couple of days.  The pictures are after a 150 mile weekend of riding so the tape definitely got a little human sweat/dirty hands use added to it.  

Is there a rule of thumb for how many coats provide good protection?  What do those of you who are 'shellackers' usually do?  Or, is it a matter of what final shade of color you're trying to achieve?

Thanks - 

Joan

Riv content:  the Newbaum's orange tape was purchased from Rivendell.  Plus, I always re-watch the bar wrapping and shellacking videos from Rivendell before re-doing handlebars.  I really like the music that accompanies Riv videos.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2012-10-29 at 15:24 -0500, Joan Oppel wrote:
> I really like Newbaum's tape, mostly because I like the colors and how
> they deepen with shellacking. My Bleriot came from Rivendell with
> cloth tape wrapped over cork tape underneath and shellacked. That was
> 6 years ago and I really liked how it felt and lasted. I've since
> re-done in the same way the Bleriot bars, other bars and a few days
> ago did another bike with Newbaum's over cork - there are 4 separate
> shots of the tape:
>
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/30856149@N04/8135995899/in/photostream/
>
>
> So, the Newbaum's is somewhat fragile and really needs to be
> shellacked, I think.

Funny, I'd say mine's tougher than any other cloth tape I've ever used
(and that's what I used to use in the 70s and 80s). What leads to
conclude it's more fragile than the average cloth tape?

> Is there a rule of thumb for how many coats provide good protection?
> What do those of you who are 'shellackers' usually do? Or, is it a
> matter of what final shade of color you're trying to achieve?

Not only do you get color change, with enough coats you get a buildup
that looks like s plastic coating and feels like Benotto Xcello plastic
tape rather than cloth. Some like the feeling, others do not. I
personally do not like the feeling at all. I don't know how many coats
it takes to get to the "dipped in plastic resin" look.

[Joan Oppel]

 Steve - I know you don't use shellac but I don't find it to feel like plastic, especially over the cork.

Fragile:  the Newbaum's is the only cloth tape I have experience with, so that's why I specified that I think it is fragile.  It tears or sort of separates easily.  I will demonstrate in person if this wild storm permits riding any time in the near future.  (It has rained at my house in Arlington for the past 16 hours, at least.  Wind has been pretty fierce since mid-day or a little earlier.)

Joan

 

 

On 10/29/12, Steve Palincsar<pali...@his.com> wrote:

 Funny, I'd say mine's tougher than any other cloth tape I've ever used

(and that's what I used to use in the 70s and 80s). What leads to
conclude it's more fragile than the average cloth tape?


> Is there a rule of thumb for how many coats provide good protection?
> What do those of you who are 'shellackers' usually do? Or, is it a
> matter of what final shade of color you're trying to achieve?

Not only do you get color change, with enough coats you get a buildup
that looks like s plastic coating and feels like Benotto Xcello plastic
tape rather than cloth. Some like the feeling, others do not. I
personally do not like the feeling at all. I don't know how many coats
it takes to get to the "dipped in plastic resin" look.

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[Brian Hanson]

Here is my last wrap session after 3 coats of amber: http://flic.kr/p/dh3eoR - "good protection" is up to your needs.  I generally do 3 coats to get it to look "finished" for my tastes.  It will wear after a good rain or sweat session, so I would expect the beausage to start in pretty soon if you live anywhere it rains.  

I actually prefer it to look used - it's like new shoes. They look fake until they are scuffed up.  

Brian

Seattle, WA

[Mike]

I love Newbaum's tape plus shellac. A while back I put on a quite
thick coat. I like the look and the feel. Don't be afraid to put it on
thick.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/7601594952/in/set-72157613195465589

Although the tape does hold up well without shellac.

--mike

[Philip Williamson]

I'm interested in the specifics of shellacking, too. I just bought some shellac for my wooden pedal decks, and I want to try it on some bar tape. 

I like Newbaum's colors, but have been disappointed by how fast and decisively they fade, compared to the Viva tape I used to have. The fading is actually why I want to shellac the tape at all. I'd like to lock-in this level of beausage before the tape turns white.

Philip

www.biketinker.com

[Philip Williamson]

That looks fantastic. Are those Albatross bars with moustache-style road levers? 

[Brian Hanson]

They are VO Porteur bars.  I actually just took them off and I'm going to Noodles :)  Another shellacing...

Brian

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[Joan Oppel]

Brian - a masterful taping job.  Please post a picture when you do the noodles.

Mike - that's a really shiny coat.  I did another coat this evening.  

Philip - the shellac does a pretty good job of locking in the color/beausage, give it a try.

Thanks for the replies, Joan

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Philip:

 

Shellac works well to lock in beausage levels, but doesn’t completely prevent future fading.  Definitely slows it down, though, and it’s a beautiful look in the meantime.

 

T

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[Allingham II, Thomas J]

If you put it on thick, it tends to smoothe out beautifully with some mileage.

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