Nice Lugged frame on ebay

[hobie]

Cheap Kogswell frame on the bay.  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kogswell-P62-Frame-/271062004651?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item3f1c8df3ab

[Kelly]

So what am I missing?  Isn't 275 and freight paid a steal on this frame or is it to common??   Looks like a much more expensive frame than what it's being sold for.

Kelly

[jimmy johnsen]

Sometimes people need money fast so they sell low. Could be a good 650b conversion? What is he/she's feedback? Ask questions.

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[hobie]

Looks like it sold.

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Maybe 6 or 7 years ago, Matthew from Kogswell gave me one of these in the same size for free. I think the MSRP was $750 or $800 then, sort of a budget Rambouillet. It's not my size, but I hung it on the wall of my shop for a couple years. Finally I took it to a swap meet in Madison with every intention of selling it, even if the selling price was way low (since it was free for me...). I had one guy hovering over it for several hours. He offered $350. I said yes. He got nervous and retracted his offer. Later he came and offered $250. I told him that I didn't care for his price negotiation style, but that I would take $250 if he was serious this time. Then he got nervous again and started questioning why I'd sell it so cheap. I told the guy to eff off, and returned home with the frameset. I put it on ebay the next day and it went for close to $600. It's all about finding the right buyer. Kogswell has been out of biz for several years now, so whatever marketing they did back in the day has a limited effect now. I doubt there are many people actively looking for the older models of Kogswell.

On Tuesday, September 18, 2012 8:32:57 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:

[hobie]

How do they handle or ride?

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I've never ridden one. I doubt that very many actually exist. At the time, Kogswell had numerous models listed, none of which seemed to actually be obtainable. I would guess that he had maybe 50 or 100 of each model, distributed across various sizes, before he moved on to the next model (i.e. the P/R). Perhaps Matthew reads this list and will chime in to add his much more credible input.

[Montclair BobbyB]

That was a Model P (Kogswell historians, please keep me honest).  I rode a Kogswell P/R (Porteur/Randonneur designed by Jan Heine) for about a year or so.  Mine was part of the "Gen 2" production run, which used slightly thinner tubing than the "Gen 1" P/R.  Mine had a very cushy and compliant ride and I really loved the feel of it... although in the end I realized it was just too compliant (flexy).  It would shimmy under minor load, even at low speeds.  Apparently this issue was reported by other Gen 2 P/R owners.  I had the pleasure of riding Steve Palincsar's Gen 1 Kogs at Riv Rally East this year.  Beautiful feel to it, and no shimmy.

Matthew Grimm was the founder of Kogswell, and I always enjoyed talking to him.  He took the time to listen to his customers, he had a very positive vibe, and really seemed to enjoy what he was doing in creating Kogswell; too bad Kogswell is no longer in business (hopefully just laying dormant).  I hope Matthew will return to the bicycling industry (Matthew, if you're out there reading this...)

The gent I sold mine to (who lives on the FL panhandle) was still raving about this bike a year after I sold it to him... It apparently had found its rightful owner.

BB

[james]

I have one of these frames sitting in my basement, I think its a 54 but I could check, if anyone is interested in it or wants pictures, let me know.

James

[Cyclofiend]

There was a brief arc of them into the Gallery and I have one ride-
buddy (JimG - yojimg.net) who owns a gen2 P/R (the last effective
"model" from Kogswell).

The Kogswells in the Gallery can be found here:
http://cyclofiend.com/cc/cc-maker.html#kogswell

There was a KOG-specific for a while, but I am not aware of its status.

The Kogswells were a Taiwan-sourced lugged frame which at times did
have a distinct similarity to early Rivendell models. There are a
number of threads about them in the iBob internet archives.

- Jim

[Jeremy Till]

Didn't the early lugged models also come in an extremely limited number of sizes, like 54cm and 58cm only?  Only a good deal if they fit you....

[Scott Henry]

I am the very happy owner of a model P60.   Also a remorseful seller of a D58 and a F58.

 

Now that I have learned my lesson, the P won't be leaving my stable.   The first two Kogswells were the D and F, essentailly a deraileur and fixed version of the same bike in a lovely kustard and black paint.  The F was interesting in that it was designed around 135mm track dropouts allowing mountainbike singlespeed setups or Kogswell own hubsets.  The D was OK, I really just got it to have a matched pair, the F was extremely comfortable with its laid back angles.

 

The P is just about a Rambouillet with slightly different (ECO) tubing and un-carved Pacenti artisain lugs.   Mine built up well years ago and has yet to give me any trouble at all.   From my dealings Matthew Grimm was always easy to deal with and a pleasure to talk to.  I would have purchased a P/R but that heavier duty/Loads/trekking style of bike was never my style.

 

If a Kogswell ever comes back around, don't hesitate, it will be a great bike.  Someone got a hellofa deal.

 

Cheers,

Scott Henry

Dayton, OH

On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Cyclofiend <cyclo...@earthlink.net> wrote:

There was a brief arc of them into the Gallery and I have one ride-buddy (JimG - yojimg.net) who owns a gen2 P/R (the last effective "model" from Kogswell).

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[Scott Henry]

Ahhh Memories...

 

Two of my rides right here:
http://cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc010-scotthenry0605.html

 

http://www.fixedgeargallery.com/2003/henry.htm

 

Good Times.

Scott

[steel lugs]

Was hopeful Longleaf Bicycles would successfully take over the production of Kogswell framesets, but it is unclear if this project has officially been called off...

http://www.longleafbicycles.com/2009/11/650b-frameset-news-part-1-of-2/ 

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