Bike storage solutions: 5 or 6 bikes, fenders

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Friends. I searched some other threads to find this answer but didn’t really find what I was looking for, and, maybe there have been some updated solutions, so, a new thread.

We have a new home and a 3 car, extra deep garage. The bikes are just parked willy-nilly and I dislike it. It looks messy and they are bound to be knocked over. I have my pair of Rivs, which will soon be a trio, and my boys’ two Clems. My bikes are all fendered. Between the wide bars, heavy frames, and fenders, storage options are few. I’d like to get the bike up off of the floor and found this one option on Amazon (see photo). But I don’t know if the rear fender will scrape the floor as I tip up the bike, OR if I can lift the bikes vertically to hang them. It seems it would be awkward. (Note: I would buy more than one of these because we would require more space between bikes with those Bosco and Billie Bars.)

What system do you use to park your fendered Rivs?

Thanks!

Leah 

[Paul Clifton]

Hi Leah,

I use a DIY version of the same style of system. I just installed several coated hooks in the studs. It works well for me in my half-car garage. I think it's a pretty efficient use of space. I staggered the height of the hooks so that the handlebars don't hit each other, and I can hang bikes by the back or front wheel to get them even tighter.

But, it IS awkward to lift them up and get them in the hooks (and I'm pretty strong FWIW), and it's even more awkward taking them down, which means I usually just ride whichever bike is already down ...

Whether the fenders rub the ground will depend on how high you install the rack, so you'll have to lift the bikes at least high enough to get the fenders off the ground.

The dance I do goes something like:

1. Tip bike backwards so I can roll it just on the back wheel.

2. Grab the seat tube to lift and keep my other hand on the front end to steady the wheel.

3. Engage my core.

4. Lift and attempt to hook the wheel.

5. Miss the hook and cuss.

6. Try again. All good.

I think there are some racks that make it easy to roll the bike up towards the wall, then hook the wheel, then lift with some sort of pulley or track system. Maybe someone can suggest something like that.

Paul in AR

[BobW]

Leah - I have two Delta Michangelo Gravity stands that go up against the wall.  They work very well,  and handle my Sam Hillborne on the upper bracket great.  You would need three of them for all your bikes though

https://www.amazon.com/Delta-Michelangelo-Two-Bike-Gravity-Stand/dp/B000ACAM38/ref=asc_df_B000ACAM38/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=167135146302&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2231711972723674310&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9005533&hvtargid=pla-154725647530&psc=1

[Leah Peterson]

Bob, this could work! Looks like the mixte tube isn’t a problem with this rack, too! 

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On Dec 31, 2021, at 12:17 PM, BobW <rg_w...@msn.com> wrote:

Leah - I have two Delta Michangelo Gravity stands that go up against the wall.  They work very well,  and handle my Sam Hillborne on the upper bracket great.  You would need three of them for all your bikes though

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[BobW]

Yea, the arm that hold th top tub of the bike move vertically independently of one another, so could accomodate the slope of the mixte frames

Let us know what you eventually decide upon; with pics of course!!!

[Eric Daume]

I bought this overhead storage rack from Costco, and it included hooks that hang off the bottom of it to hold bikes. It works pretty well, but at 12 bikes, even our big garage can still get crowded. 

My 13 year old daughter (who I have to say is quite strong) is able to get her fendered Trek up on a hook. 

Eric

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[maxcr]

I used 4 of these, not cheap but if you have a wall you can drill on, they’re great: 
 https://cyclesafe.com/bike-parking/bike-racks/fender-rack/

Max

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 11:00:57 PM UTC+1 Eric Daume wrote:

I bought this overhead storage rack from Costco, and it included hooks that hang off the bottom of it to hold bikes. It works pretty well, but at 12 bikes, even our big garage can still get crowded. 

My 13 year old daughter (who I have to say is quite strong) is able to get her fendered Trek up on a hook. 

Eric

On Friday, December 31, 2021, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Friends. I searched some other threads to find this answer but didn’t really find what I was looking for, and, maybe there have been some updated solutions, so, a new thread.

We have a new home and a 3 car, extra deep garage. The bikes are just parked willy-nilly and I dislike it. It looks messy and they are bound to be knocked over. I have my pair of Rivs, which will soon be a trio, and my boys’ two Clems. My bikes are all fendered. Between the wide bars, heavy frames, and fenders, storage options are few. I’d like to get the bike up off of the floor and found this one option on Amazon (see photo). But I don’t know if the rear fender will scrape the floor as I tip up the bike, OR if I can lift the bikes vertically to hang them. It seems it would be awkward. (Note: I would buy more than one of these because we would require more space between bikes with those Bosco and Billie Bars.)

What system do you use to park your fendered Rivs?

Thanks!

Leah 

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[Eric Marth]

Hi Leah – I realize you said you'd like the bikes up off the floor but consider the Peak Racks. This is a bike parking solution that leaves the bikes on the ground. It's easy to adapt and space the bikes as you like to accommodate your fenders and wide bars. Rivendell uses these in the shop. I'd totally be in for these racks if I had room in my shed, but I don't. Also, it's a California-based company and these are MUSA!

Me and my back do not like hanging, balancing and hooking steel bikes. Especially tricky with fenders. With on the ground storage like this you can just wheel 'em in and out. With a three-car garage there might be a way to make it all fit and leave things neat and tidy. The bikes are important and I'd say they deserve their own dedicated bay :)  Roll that door up and roll the bikes out. 

https://peakracks.com/byo/#order-now

[John Rinker]

Hey Leah,

Happy New Year! An 8ft 2x4 bolted to the studs in your garage wall with utility hooks works great. Mine is just high enough so the tires are about an inch off the floor so you don't have to lift very high. I just roll the tire up the wall and hook it in. Pretty easy and very inexpesive.

Cheers,

John

[Joe Bernard]

John,

How do you deal with the rear fender? My concern with the vertical hanging business is she'll be dragging the fender across the floor as she's trying to get the front wheel up on that hook. This isn't an issue for the average fenderless 16 lbs. carbon road bike, but her Rivs are fully loaded and fendered. She's not gonna just toss 'em up there! 

Joe Bernard

[John Rinker]

Yes, of course, the rear fender is a concern. For my part, when my bike is fendered I do have to do a final grab and lift at the seat post. 

Really though, the only bikes I've stored this way are old mountain bikes I keep around for sentimental reasons. Until recently I've only had one Riv, and it never sits around long enough to warrant storage on a rack. 

Cheers, John

[Leah Peterson]

Thanks again! I think I’m set on this idea…however, I discovered  there is a “rugged” version that might be worth paying a little more for. It’s here, but you can get from other stores for considerably less money than the manufacturer’s website: https://designbydelta.com/collections/bike-racks/products/two-bike-rugged-gravity-stand

Some people rate the rugged as higher quality. Delta just says it allows for a heavier bike. I’d spend more for peace of mind, but only if there really is a quality gain.

Anyone tried these models and compared?

L

On Dec 31, 2021, at 4:10 PM, BobW <rg_w...@msn.com> wrote:

Yea, the arm that hold th top tub of the bike move vertically independently of one another, so could accomodate the slope of the mixte frames

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[Nick Payne]

Here's the setup in our garage. The rack for the single bikes is welded up from 40mm square steel tube and bolted to the wall. In our previous house all the bikes hung from the ceiling, but my wife complained because she couldn't get her bikes up onto the hooks when they were that high, so I made the rack here so the single bikes just clear the floor when hung up. The tandems have to hang from the ceiling because of their length.

The hooks I got from the local hardware store. I improved the padding on them by cutting short lengths of garden hose, and softening the hose in hot water so that I could easily get it over the bend in the end of the hooks.

Nick

[Pat Smith]

I just bought two of these off Amazon "open box" for only $28. The company is sending me free concrete mounting hardware too.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07Q5HZ21W

Pat in DC 

[Ted Durant]

On Friday, December 31, 2021 at 8:46:01 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

 Between the wide bars, heavy frames, and fenders, storage options are few.

I hang bikes in the garage on horizontal hooks using Rubbermaid's FastTrack system. Wide handlebars are an issue, though. It works, but the hb's have to be turned, so the front wheel sticks out, and fenders can make that a worse problem.

In my basement I use j-hooks in a 2x4 that is bolted the wall about 6' off the floor. Bikes with fenders hang from their back wheels, so I don't have the rear fender scraping the floor problem. It does, however require some agility and strength, especially for heavier bikes.

The rack you showed in the picture shows 6 bikes very tightly packed. That's only possible with relatively narrow handlebars and alternating between front and rear wheel hanging. The nice thing about setting J-hooks in a 2x4 is you can pick your width, allowing greater distance between bikes for wider bars. That also helps with hanging the bikes from the rear wheel, as it gives you space to stand at the side of the bike as you hang it, rather than having to try manage it straight on. I stand next to the bike, near the wall, and pick up the bike at the seat tube near the bottom bracket. I swing the back of the bike up, leaving the front wheel on the floor, and using the seat stay near the rear hub to help balance and lift. My hooks are higher than they need to be, so I have to lift the bike a bit higher to get the rim on the hook.

Ted Durant

Milwaukee, WI USA

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1 for hooks on the wall. properly spaced. I've used J hooks, but switched to bike-specific hooks on plates that screw to a solid ~2" X 12" plank bolted to the studs. The heavy plank lets me mount the hooks securely and far enough to match bar width.

I have my 5 hooks spaced so that all bikes can hang from the rear wheels -- easier to lift and hook the rear wheel than the front, IME. The front wheel of the longest bike is about 6" from the floor when hung. (Note: the heaviest bike is about 31 lb, and it's not hard to lift and hang it. Certainly if you can lift a Platypus or Clem over your head, you can hang one by the wheel from a hook.)

FWIW, I also installed fiberboard backing that extends about 6" beyond the bikes in each direction to prevent black tire marks on off-white walls. The brown fiberboard is ugly, but not as ugly as smudged walls.

I use the Delta Leonardo hooks, which have doubled in price since I bought mine some 5-6-7 years ago.

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[Ray Varella]

https://fb.watch/agltTZ-5OQ/

I just copied this link, it looks like a product worth trying. 

Ray

[Ray Varella]

The link I posted looks like the same hooks Patrick mentioned. 

Ray

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, since the video mentioned a 2.5" size limit the standard Delta hook size (non-fatbike) takes the 70 mm wide -- actual -- tires on the monocog, though it's squeeze.

The rubber padding does get torn; I replaced it with ~6" sections of garden hose, which works well.

[lconley]

What kind of bakfiets is that?

Laing

On Saturday, January 1, 2022 at 5:57:10 AM UTC-5 Nick Payne wrote:

[lconley]

I have 3 sets of the monkey bars in my garage (one on the opposite wall not seen in the picture). I only get four or five bike per rack and use the extra hooks for rims or tires. i have to alternate hanging by the front or rear to get the 5 bikes on. The hooks have a tendency to slide and not stay in place. I intend to put some tie-wraps on both sides of the hooks to mitigate this, but haven't gotten around to it yet. I also have one of the vertical 2 bike racks, a wooden version that dates back to when I only had two bikes (a Paramount and a LeMond - 20 years ago). My goal is to get rid of enough bikes so that only one or two sit on the floor by the time I retire.

Laing

[George Schick]

Laing - are you sure you're not the owner of a bike shop?  Good grief!

[Roberta]

Leah,

What is especially exiting to me is that everyone in your family has a Riv or two--or three :) --and they all get ridden.  A lot.  I have two nearly perfect Rivs, even though I'd be happy with just one perfect bike.  You were the one who said to me "what will you do when your Riv is in the shop unless you have a backup?!", so I have two, and no garage. Vertical storage is the only way to go for me.

I have the non-rugged Delta version in my breezeway.  I especially like that it has two long Independent arms that move both up and down, and horizontally to the side.  Having this wider horizontal area for the bikes to sit on helps with balancing the bikes on the rack.  The arms are well padded.  I've been able to put my step though on this rack, but it was easier if I first installed a horizontal bar they sell for hanging bike racks.  Even so, I now only place my diamond shape frames on the top.  Too difficult to get the mixte up there.

My suggestion if you get this one is to build out about 6" from the wall where you'll be anchoring the top of the stand. This is because the Riv handlebars are wider than expected and if you don't do this, the handlebars might rub on the wall.  Stick with the rugged version.  The non-rugged one works, but isn't very stable and one time one arm holding the bulk of the weight of my mixte gave way and the bike fell.

I also have a freestanding rack named Wrench Force in my living room. I think this is the one (I got mine from Craigslist):  https://www.rei.com/product/710081/feedback-sports-velo-cache-2-bike-rack?sku=7100810014&store=37&cm_mmc=PLA_Google%7C21700000001700551_7100810014%7C92700064573159264%7CNB%7C71700000074090541&gclid=Cj0KCQiAlMCOBhCZARIsANLid6a4Dd3xvzdmfxs9bxIvg2ps-rWl2c_6Q3QkZEujQNWIfRNCsPqTOuoaApwSEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds   This has three independent leveling legs.  The independent arms to hold the bike are very strong and are moved and held in place by with screws in two channels in the back of the column.  I can place this a few inches from the wall to get the clearance I need for the handlebars.  One negative I see is that the arms are set at a certain distance apart and you cannot move  them horizontally.  This makes putting the mixte  on there difficult.  (My Platy is on the floor, but if I decide to put it on this rack, I'd use the crossbar for hanging racks.)  I don't think that is a big negative; it's just a smaller area to use to help level your bike weight.  Also, the spot to hold the bike isn't very soft, so I put pipe insulation on the bike to protect the paint.  If I was smarter, I'd put the pipe insulation on the arm indentation for an "always ready" hoisting of the bike.

So, which is better?  For me, in my 3' wide breezeway, where I need to walk past my bikes multiple times a day, the Delta winds hands down, because it doesn't stick out very far.  That also makes it less stable.  Now that i know there is a rugged version, I might get that one.    However, the Wrench force wins hands down for strength, stability and versatility. You can put it anywhere; it doesn't have to be against the wall.   I originally bought this for my breezeway as a replacement for the Delta.  However, what helps make it stable (long legs) also would cause me to trip over it as I walk by the bikes.  That's actually why it and the bikes are in the living room, instead of the breezeway--it's so good I don't want to get rid of it. 

Thanks and good luck, and lots of fun, with your goal of an uncluttered garage in Michigan. 

Roberta

[abraham nussbaum]

+1 for the peak racks. I use it for fendered bikes and it's terrific.

[alex g]

I use the old trek/bontrager version of the Saris cycle glide system (  https://www.saris.com/product/cycleglidestorage-system  ) I like it because you can "compact" your bikes together regardless of handlebar width. Each rack will hold 4 bikes or up to 8 in s pinch (holding only by one wheel). cfdt77p

Alex in WI

[Jason Fuller]

Leah - I have the "Proslat" branded slatwall system, and highly recommend it. There are a lot of good systems shown here but the slatwall system has a few benefits over most bike hanging systems: 

- The bike hooks can be moved about freely, to fine tune for handlebar widths, etc. 
- You can add or subtract them easily also, maybe add an extra couple hooks for some new winter tire hangers for instance
- The system also includes a wide variety of different hooks and attachments so you can put all kinds of other stuff on the wall too

If I had a garage I would for sure panel a whole wall with these!!  I use it in my little storage room which has three bikes in a tiny space thanks to their adjustability.  They can tend to slide sideways when you're putting the bike on, so I use a little tape to hold them in place. 

[Garth]

A great way to store all the bikes in the world would be to never need to store them in the first place, yes ? They only appear, manifest, "on demand", as the need arises or called upon. Laugh as any may, it's apparent to me this is already happening as I speak, that the entire "world" as I/we know it as "me and my Life" are "instants"... instantacious-ness.. for lack of a better word ! All that exists is this "here and now" so to speak. This never ending or beginning "Presence" that is, this, The/IS. 

Life is More Grand than the Grandest of ideas of just how grand Life is !  Yee-hah !

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 2 January 2022 at 6:46:50 am UTC+11 lconley wrote:

What kind of bakfiets is that?

It's a cheap Taiwanese copy of a Dutch bakfiets. A bunch of us got together about 15 years back and placed an order with a factory there. As I recall, it cost about $AU1100 (~$US800) delivered to my door partly assembled. It's pretty cheaply made - stamped dropouts etc - but works perfectly well. It came with a couple of child seats inside the cargo tray, but I removed them. The only real problem with it is that it's overgeared - it uses an SA 8-speed hub where the bottom gear is 1:1, so even with a 24t chainring and 25t cog, that's not really a low enough gear for thumping a full load of groceries back up the hill from the supermarket to our house, considering that the bike on its own weighs some 50 or 60 lbs. Here's a better view of it, with our terrier consenting to be cargo:

Nick

[lconley]

Very nice.

I was all ready to place an order for a Workcycles Kr8 a few years back when a brand new Bombadil in my size for 40% off appeared on the Rivendell website. I still want one but need to thin the herd instead.

Apologies for the threadjacking.

Laing

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I finally got the Delta racks up and loaded. I keep waiting for the huge crash, but they seem sturdy enough. In case anyone is inspired to purchase one after seeing this post, I’ll offer some advice/findings here:

1. We bought a block of wood and drilled it into a stud, then leaned the rack against it. The handlebars on these Rivs are wide enough that they scratched up our freshly-painted garage wall. Adding the wood doesn’t seem to make the racks any less stable, and it keeps the bars from scraping the wall.

2. Mixte frames are a pain, even on these adjustable racks. You may want to purchase Saris’ bar that makes your mixte swoop into a diamond frame top tube.

3. Use a John’s Irish Strap to secure your front wheel so it doesn’t swing and get the brake lever tangled in your ponytail. Seriously.

4. Grab low, lift straight over your head and THEN move the bike forward onto the hooks (tip from RivSister Roberta! Oh, and actually the JIS tip above, too).

5. If you are hanging a mixte, you have to put one hook under the seat tube/seat stays. The other will go on the down tube. Take care that the brake cable isn’t being mashed into your paint. 

The system is not without kinks, though yours will differ from mine: 

My poor Clem L is the odd bike out. It just sits on the floor, kind of in the way. I could tuck it somewhere else but it seems wrong to separate it from the group. The mermaid Platy is far heavier than the RaspPlaty, so it stays on the bottom. It’s tricky getting the angle right; it wants to hook its bars into the rear wheel of the RaspPlaty. The Clem H on top is my older son’s. That son is promising to be too tall for that 52 cm bike, and he will need my Dad’s new-in-box 59 cm Clem L. I really can’t imagine hanging a Clem L up top, and my little son will not be able to get at his Little Silver Clem if it gets moved to the top position. We’ll see how it goes this spring.

Leah

[Roberta]

It's a wall of beauty!  No additional art needed here.

Just be sure the bikes are balanced between the two arms.  I don't have the heavy duty one like you have, and once one of my mixtes had more of the weight on the right hook.  CRASH.  What was that?  No harm to the bike.

Roberta