$300 Sugino Double Crankset
William
I'm a little surprised to see that it's going to be $300. Not that
they can't be worth it, but Velo Orange sells a $170 Sugino double
that they claim has every possible upgrade and upcharge that Sugino
knows how to make in a square taper double. It's pretty saucy:
http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html I wonder how Riv's will
differ?
newenglandbike
resonate with me but AFAIK the only steel drop bars available today
are track bars(?)
rcnute
Ryan
Michael_S
crankset. Maybe this is what they are talking about?
I think it's very nice looking, not sure how I would explain it to my
personal bicycle parts financial auditor.
http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/english/product_crank_td4_silver_english.htm
~Mike~
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William
youth, but I'm also intrigued by the anodized colored chainrings that
you can buy for your compact double.
Dustin Sharp
pay.
But I'm predicting it'll be a really nice TA Zephyr-like or Ritchey
Logic-like compact double with low Q.
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rperks
cranks in the old style come back, and yes they show up on ebay for
the prices that it looks like RBW is asking, but the stess of bidding
can get to be a drag, that and the addictive compulsion to stockpile.
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Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
No Brakes Atlanta
I have seen has the intention of stocking them, so I bet Riv will get
in on it. No prices that i've seen yet, but from the pictures I could
see them retailing for 300.
On Mar 10, 8:26 pm, Bruce <fullylug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I picked up a Sugino GX 53/39 on Ebay that is now on my Rambouillet. It was orig equip on the B'stone RB-1 and has a very tight Q. I think I paid about $39.95 for it with not much more than usual usage scratches from shoes on it. Not as pretty as the V-O, or the upcoming RBW to be sure, but if you like a light crank with low Q....
>
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William
awesome:
http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan.htm
Velo Orange kind of opened the suggestion box and I suggested that
they consider bringing in the Mighty Tour. Tom at VO said that they'd
have to sell it for $375 and had no interest in taking that kind of
risk. Just as well I suppose, since they refuse to stock 172.5 unless
badgered incessantly.
MichaelH
the web site, although I've long wished Riv offered a good double and
a better triple. I have this cospea, purchased from Jitensha
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html. Which is a similar to,
but understated compared to the Mity Tour.
Michael
On Mar 10, 2:19 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
William
http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/209
Here's the pertinent excerpt:
We'll have a fancy new Double road crank any minute now. Sugino-made
and about $300 with rings and no BB. The best deal in a crank is still
the XD-2, the Sugino we sell now. It's planets ahead of all other
cranks in that way, but a certain percentage of riders don't want a
crank that inexpensive on their bike. When you consider the cost of a
new racing crank, this new Sugino double will still be a good deal.
Nothing looks like a good deal compared to an XD-2 triple for $110, so
let's not even talk about that anymore.
On Mar 12, 5:41 pm, MichaelH <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm afraid I "missed" this announcement and don't see any new dbls on
> the web site, although I've long wished Riv offered a good double and
> a better triple. I have this cospea, purchased from Jitenshahttp://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html. Which is a similar to,
Dustin Sharp
If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open
up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't
offering much of.
Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . .
Dustin
Michael Hechmer
have a double / triple from DaVinci which is about the same price and
is also a great crank. It is actually made by White Ind. and has the
advantage of fitting on a pretty short BB, so you can save some money
by keeping your current BB. That said, the velo orange version of the
Sugino crank looks very good, a step up from the XD2 but not nearly as
expensive as the other two. Both the Cospea and and the White are
lower Q than the XD2, which I also appreciate. Happy shopping.
Michael
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 11:49 PM, John Blish <jbl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> How do you like that Sugino Cospea from Jitensha?
> I am considering that or maybe this one from Ben's:
> http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=6455
> The Jitensha is considerably more expensive and I realize they are not the
> exact same part but I don't know which way to go. This is for a D58Kogswell
> which has never performed quite the way it should as a 9 speed triple.
> Going to try a compact double and will have to get a new bottom bracket in
> the process. Thanks.
> John
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Bruce
Sugino XD2 27 mm
Late Model Ultegra 20 mm
Vintage Shimano 600 12.5 mm.
Pretty wide spread. No pun intended. Total Q will depend on BB length of course. You need enough so the inner chain ring clears the stay, but no so much that the front derailler cannot shift to the larger chain ring, or that yields an impossible chain line.
Is there some sort of comprehensive table on this data?
Garth
sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv.
This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a
third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74.
The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my
choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino.
The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others.
They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD
instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one
cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your
crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm.
It's great that Riv and VO are adding some new tapered cranks, but it
sure would be nice for manufacturers to make cranks beyond 175 or even
180. 185mm would be nice for many..... but I understand the reluctant
mindset and misinformation about longer cranks is hard to counter.
People think they ruin their knees etc. Not true. Longer cranks
(185mm) have helped my knees tremendously. The 195mm High Sierra/Zinn
cranks would be fun to try, but they wouldn't work on the Bombadil
without either modifying the chainstays or using a too-long BB and
getting a bad chainline.
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there I don't know why anyone would want an anodized one. After a few
miles of pedaling the anodizing will have worn off where the shoe
scuffs. plus anodizing is often done because it's cheaper than
polishing. VO already carries three Sugino cranks, including the
lovely Alpina 110bcd. Their new offerings promise to be stunners, at
least in my opinion.
William
grey bead blasted ones, not the polished silver ones). I measure
their Q at 151, and I can run down to a 22 when I run them triple and
a 29T when I run them double. I'd love to stock up on these, or their
modern replacement.
On Mar 12, 4:00 pm, Dustin Sharp <paleo.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm thinkin' we're kind of stocked up with 110/74 options these days.
>
> If you really want some good wide-range double gearing possibilities to open
> up, 95/58 would be a lot better. And it's something the market isn't
> offering much of.
>
> Hope that's what Riv is going to offer . . .
>
> Dustin
>
>
>
> > From: William <tapebu...@gmail.com>
> > Reply-To: <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
> > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 15:53:02 -0800 (PST)
> > To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
> > Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
>
> > Another shot of the Mighty Tour with rings on the Sugino site. Looks
> > awesome:
>
> >http://www.suginoltd.co.jp/japan/chainwheelset_MightytourPE110s_japan...
JoelMatthews
today, comes in the 94/58 configuration:
http://peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp
MichaelH
weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very
stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC
crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all
the way down to a 24 if you want.
Michal
Steve Palincsar
> Again the Davinci Crank has a Q of 158, has interchangeable spiders,
> weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very
> stiff, is $100 less than TA. Or one might consider the White VBC
> crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all
> the way down to a 24 if you want.
Does "billet cranks" mean CNC rather than forged?
Garth
Since Billet Aluminum is just a chunk of Al, yes, they would be CNC.
CycloFiend
> Does "billet cranks" mean CNC rather than forged?
Not specifically. "Billet" is the bar stock of metal. You could use the
billet in a forging die setup (cold forged, hot forged or near-net forged
would be three common options), or machine it using a CNC machine.
The White cranks are referred to as "machined from billet" which would
suggest the latter.
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JoelMatthews
> weighs 400 grams, is a high polish silver, is made in America, is very
> stiff, is $100 less than TA.
DaVinci is nice. Unless you have months to wait, or happen to call
DaVinci when it has a single crank your size and specs, however,
$100.00 is not much a premium to get what you want when you want it.
I like the DaVinci (White) high polish, but the Carmina matte finish
probably goes with more color schemes.
> Or one might consider the White VBC crank, which has a Q of 137, and, as a double, can be configured all
> the way down to a 24 if you want.
When White first came out with the VBC the specs showed silver rings
would be available. Apparently production issues mean they are
available only in black. Otherwise I agree wholly the White is a very
good option.
JoelMatthews
CNC machined.
On Mar 13, 10:54 am, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> on 3/13/10 8:29 AM, Steve Palincsar at palin...@his.com wrote:
>
> > Does "billet cranks" mean CNC rather than forged?
>
> Not specifically. "Billet" is the bar stock of metal. You could use the
> billet in a forging die setup (cold forged, hot forged or near-net forged
> would be three common options), or machine it using a CNC machine.
>
> The White cranks are referred to as "machined from billet" which would
> suggest the latter.
>
> - Jim
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David Hallerman
+23 to that.
The Cospea is among the most beautiful cranks ever made, in my eyes.
The only ones as attractive are the TA Zephyr Light and the first-and-second generation Shimano Dura-Ace (7400 or 7402), also cold-forged.
Dave, who gets amused by his own crank arm aesthetics
==========
Steve Palincsar
> At the '09 NAHBS in Indiana I thought I heard Mr. White say they are
> CNC machined.
In that case, wouldn't this make the daVinci/White cranks less desirable
than the forged Sugino models?
bfd
On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> For those that may not have known.... the TA Zephyr triple w/rings
> sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv.
> This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a
> third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74.
> The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my
> choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino.
> The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others.
> They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD
> instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one
> cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your
> crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm.
>
Agree and how large a market is there for another "compact" crank? I
guess the question is who is the market? Most people looking for
110bcd double cranks have a few choices like the one from VO and
Jitensha. If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other
people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage
and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a
crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to
spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck!
JoelMatthews
> than the forged Sugino models?
I am no metallurgist so cannot answer the question from any sort of
technical perspective.
The White Eno on my commuter is stiff, attractive and light. So far
its held up well.
Originally plan for the 650b (whenever I will get the frame) was to
use a TA Carmina. But I came on a perfect condition nos late '80s
Shimano Deore at a swap meet recently, and could not pass it up.
JoelMatthews
> people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage
> and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a
> crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to
> spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck!
Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank. TA does a
tidy business in the market. Whether people will pay a premium for a
Sugino when there are cheaper models available is another question. I
do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the
cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a
matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get
more later if demand is there.
Roy Yates
1. Are there any cranks to be avoided?
Nobody much complains about their cranks as long as the fit (length and Q factor) are ok. This is compared to brakes where you hear a lot of discussion/complaints about squealing, finicky setup, and poor stopping power.
As for me, I've used and liked pretty much every crank I've tried, including old sakae square taper, various shimano 600, sugino XD, various shimano Hollowtech-II cranks in 105, ultegra, R700, and Dura-Ace flavors, and even some cheap Campy Veloce cranks. They have all seemed fine.
2. Are some people avoiding the Hollowtech-II cranks with external bearings because they don't come in various Q factors (AFAIK)?
...Roy
JoelMatthews
Well, you want to avoid cranks that have BCDs inconsistent with your
riding ability and preference. Q and compatibility with your bottom
bracket spindle (unless you plan to get a new one) are important too.
if you pay big bucks for a pretty bike, an unattractive or ill
matching crank will certainly stick out like sore thumb.
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benzzoy
cranks.
I do love Campagnolo's last generation Record/Chorus triples, that
were unfortunately discontinued. These cranks are sleek, beautifully
finished (polished and anodized) and can be had rather cheaply (<$100
for a NOS) if one is patient on eBay. The Q-factor is not more than
160mm and that isn't unreasonably wide for a triple. About the only
significant blemish is that they usually come in a 53/42/30
configuration that I understand isn't terribly useful for some
(including myself, for the most part).
Nevertheless, at <$100, you can get whatever chainrings* you wish at
Ribble and still be below $200 total, especially if you sell the
originals as these can fetch at least $40 on eBay when new. Another
complicating factor is that these cranks use the ISO taper and the
spindle is asymmetrical, so you either have to use the correct
Campagnolo or Phil's version. Even accounting for the essentially
proprietary and thus rather expensive bottom bracket, the total bill
is still a reasonable $300 or whereabouts for the crank, bottom
bracket and .
* TA or Stronglight chainrings; only limited to a low of 39T by the
135mm BCD. The granny can be anyone's 74mm BCD chainring (24T
minimum).
CycloFiend
My personal bias would be towards cold-forged. That being said, the White
Industries cranks are one of the few CNC'd cranksets I'd consider. I've
ranted a bit about cranks in general over on my blog, and much of it is
really outside the topic of this list.
http://ramblings.cyclofiend.com/?p=399
Pulling some early-90's recollection out of the memory cave (in other words
IIRC), depending upon how you spec your billet, you can get some of the
benefits of forging. I'm sure some metallurgist will correct me if I'm
wrong, but I do recall that you can gain some of the directional benefits
within the metal when it the billet gets formed - there may be a die step
involved (as well as the various alloys of aluminum). As long as you do your
CNC work (or _any_ type of machining) with this in mind, you can minimize
the risk of breakage.
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bfd
On Mar 13, 3:19 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
> > If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other
> > people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage
> > and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay $300+ for a
> > crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to
> > spend $300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck!
>
> Rando and committed tourers will spend $300.00 for a crank.
I guess the question is how many rando and committed tourers are
there? Randonneuring appears to be growing, but I doubt it makes up
the majority of riders. Same for people touring. Remember, back in the
80s, the term "touring" because a dirty word at LBSs as people
wouldn't buy those bikes. I recall Sheldon Brown selling very nice NOS
late80s/early 90s touring bikes for cheap in early 2000/01 because the
mfrs couldn't move them. You just don't see that many people going on
tours. Further, if they do, they seem to use some type of racing style
bike.
It seems the racer or wannbes are a larger share of the market and
probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the
premium for this type of crank.
> I do not think Riv has much risk, however. It appears Sugino makes the
> cranks already. Riv is just making them available in the U.S. Just a
> matter of buying a small quantity first to test the market than get
> more later if demand is there.
>
Agree, as long as it doesn't tie up too much money that could go
towards other projects.
JoelMatthews
> probably more importantly, those with the deposable dollars to pay the
> premium for this type of crank.
Except for the Roadeo and a few bits here and there, all of Rivs bikes
and components are directed for other than the racer or wannabe
market. Few of them are cheap.
Bruce
William
"those with the deposable dollars"
Depose means to dethrone, but it also means to put down (same root as
deposit). It also means 'to testify' as in 'take a deposition'.
William
indeed.
On Mar 15, 11:57 am, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I like that unintentional typo
>
> "those with the deposable dollars"
>
> Depose means to dethrone, but it also means to put down (same root as
> deposit). It also means 'to testify' as in 'take a deposition'.
>
> On Mar 15, 10:32 am, bfd <bfd...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Mar 13, 3:19 pm, JoelMatthews <joelmatth...@mac.com> wrote:
>
> > > > If Riv wants to expand to others, good luck as those other
> > > > people are looking at outboard bearing cranks - that's all the rage
> > > > and what all the racer-types who are willing to pay$300+ for a
> > > > crankset seek. Yes, you and I may not care, but the guys willing to
> > > > spend$300+ for a crankset do. Good Luck!
Michael_S
Not sure I like the triplizer bracket though. But it is a very nice
crankset. I wonder why the standard triple is not going to be imported
as well?
~Mike~
> > > towards other projects.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
William
crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a
triple.
Patrick in VT
> The Sugino website doesnt list the Mighty Tour as a triple capable
> crank. Do you mean the Alpina? I'd love to see that imported as a
> triple.
looks like the Mighty Tour will be sold as a double, but can be triple-
ized with a special ring. which looks ridiculous to me.
Any conjectures as to the alleged flaw Grant is referring to in the
original incarnation of the Alpina? sounds like there are various
versions of the Alpina, so it's hard to tell which crank is being
called out - but I assume this includes the Alpina VO sells?
Other than the sculpted crankarms (and a possible "flaw"), is there
any difference between the Alpina (the VO Alpina, to be clear) and the
Mighty Tour?
William
I would assume there has to be some difference, since VO themselves
said that "if" they were to bring in the Mighty Tour, they would sell
it for $375. Since they already sell the Alpina double at $170,
that's more than double the price. It looks like the Mighty Tour has
denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that
material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from. Can
you feel the difference? I wish I knew. They are both great looking
cranks.
Michael_S
The Mighty Tour seems like a different design than the Alpina
visually.. Much nicer in my opinion.
I'm not sure I'm ready to fork over $300 smackers though. Too many
hills where I ride not to have a triple too.
~Mike~
> cranks.- Hide quoted text -
Garth
getting a low Q triple.
That said, triple conversion rings have been around a long time, and
most anyone can convert their favorite crank to a triple.
The downside is their cost for some people.
From my perspective it's too bad TA wasn't such a quirky company. I
guess this and the loss of the dollar in value doesn't make them
the best of business partners. I don't know why Riv didn't offer the
Carmina, or the 110 BCD double Vortex. The Vortex is a anthracite
gray color though, but the
Q is only 149mm. Euro Asia Imports is the only USA dealer though.
My opinion though is partial to TA though, as I use 185mm arms.
usuk2007
of the spider arms could be finished better. It looks good on an
lugged Italian bike though
I'd love to see a 110/74 or 95/58 readily available double so that I
don't have to use a 110/74 triple as a double.
http://wheelsofchance.org/2009/08/28/if-the-answer-is-42-whats-the-question/
On Mar 13, 10:46 am, "clevewh...@gmail.com" <clevewh...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> When there are so many really beautiful non-anodized silver cranks out
> there I don't know why anyone would want an anodized one. After a few
> miles of pedaling the anodizing will have worn off where the shoe
> scuffs. plus anodizing is often done because it's cheaper than
> polishing. VO already carries three Sugino cranks, including the
> lovely Alpina 110bcd. Their new offerings promise to be stunners, at
> least in my opinion.
>
> On Mar 13, 6:15 am, Garth <garth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > For those that may not have known.... the TA Zephyr triple w/rings
> > sold for about $275 not long ago from Riv.
> > This is was the finest 110/74 crank made. . . . and it even had a
> > third drilling for a 56mm ring instead of the 74.
> > The Q is mid 150's. If Riv was to make any crank, this would be my
> > choice, not yet another wide-ish Sugino.
> > The $300 Sugino may seem a bit high for some, low for others.
> > They could make it more versatile for some if they made it a 94mm BCD
> > instead of 110, but 94mm rings just are not so popular. That's one
> > cool thing about the TA Carmina, that you can change the BCD of your
> > crank from 94/58 to 94 to 110/74 to 110 to 130/74 to 130mm.
>
> > It's great that Riv and VO are adding some new tapered cranks, but it
> > sure would be nice for manufacturers to make cranks beyond 175 or even
> > 180. 185mm would be nice for many..... but I understand the reluctant
> > mindset and misinformation about longer cranks is hard to counter.
> > People think they ruin their knees etc. Not true. Longer cranks
> > (185mm) have helped my knees tremendously. The 195mm High Sierra/Zinn
> > cranks would be fun to try, but they wouldn't work on the Bombadil
> > without either modifying the chainstays or using a too-long BB and
> > getting a bad chainline.
Patrick in VT
> I would assume there has to be some difference . . . It looks like the Mighty
> Tour has denser material (lower Q, visibly thinner, yet higher weight) so that
> material must be a lot more costly to buy and manufacture from.
you're right. for $300, it'd be nice to know the difference between
the mighty tour and some higher end cranks - not the XD2.
VO says they would sell it for $375. and the "Compe" version
(whatever that is) would be mid $200s.
not a huge deal because these are all good, reliable cranks - but, I
wish there was a little more transparency about this. from a consumer
perspective, it's nice to know all the details.
All I can gather is that there multiple versions of the Alpina Crank -
VO sells the high end of these for $170. And, apparently, there are
also mulitple versions of the Mighty Tour (which uses a higher grade
aluminum than the Alpina?) - it's unclear which version Riv is
selling. possibly the "Compe."
bfd
> cranks.- Hide quoted text -
>
Agree, the mighty tour is a nice looking crank, but not something I
would jump up and say I HAVE TO GET. Actually, for the money, I
prefer the VO Alpina. The only flaw I see on the VO crank is the logo,
it should have used the Sugino crown logo. If I was looking for a new
crank, that would be it. Good Luck!
William
I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank
and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own,
I suppose.
Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears
pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can
get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB.
bfd
On Mar 17, 2:14 pm, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That VO Alpina is nice, but if I was looking for the economical route,
> I'd seriously consider the $105 XD700. That's a pretty sweet crank
> and I kind of prefer the not-so-polished finish. To each his/her own,
> I suppose.
>
Agree, the XD series crankset is the bargain! However, if you want a
nice finish, check out Jitensha's version of the Cospea/Alpina crank:
pic:
http://jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html
However, the price is basically the same as Riv:
Comes in either square taper for traditional bottom brackets, or
Octalink. Lengths: 165, 167.5, 170 (Octalink only), 172.5, 175
cranks with black Sugino rings in 48 and 34t $280.00
with T.A. chainrings $330.00
The only downside is the rings are black. Perhaps, they sell the TA
rings in silver. Of course, at $330, it should be available in any
color you want!
> Thanks to whomever pointed out the TA Carmina. Even though it appears
> pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can
> get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB.
>
Peter White has a nice write up about this crank:
http://www.peterwhitecycles.com/carmina.asp
Good Luck!
JoelMatthews
> pricey, and only imported by Euro Asia, it's good to know that one can
> get a 94 or a 94/58 crankset in 172.5 for a square taper BB.
That would be me. As bfd points out, Peter White sells them as well.
I would buy from Peter as he is a great guy and has a good bicycle
mind. He will make sure you get what you need.
> > crank, that would be it. Good Luck!- Hide quoted text -
Dustin Sharp
might be.
If you spec'ed a nicer version of the XD (with high polish quality rings),
you could sell it for $200 and still have a better deal than the Mighty
Tour.
The Q factor difference between the two cranks is insignificant. It won't
please the true low-Q folks, and for some of us wider is better anyway.
Maybe some care that the aluminum is supposed to be higher grade, but since
the XDs are plenty strong and actually lighter, I'm not sure what that fancy
aluminum gets you except for an increase in price.
Not saying the MT isn't a great crank, just not sure how I'd justify
spending the extra coin over a dressed up XD.
Dustin
> From: William <tape...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 14:14:00 -0700 (PDT)
> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [RBW] Re: $300 Sugino Double Crankset
>
William
300/115 = 2.60869
The Mighty Tour is therefor 2.60869 times better. When you finish a
ride, and a friend asks "How was your ride?" and you say "that was a
nice ride", you'll know (forever) that it could have been 2.60869
times NICER. You can't live with that kind of regret in this short
life. :P
On Mar 17, 4:03 pm, Dustin Sharp <paleo.v...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On that note, I don't really understand what the appeal of the Mighty Tour
> might be.
>
> If you spec'ed a nicer version of the XD (with high polish quality rings),
> you could sell it for $200 and still have a better deal than the Mighty
> Tour.
>
> The Q factor difference between the two cranks is insignificant. It won't
> please the true low-Q folks, and for some of us wider is better anyway.
>
> Maybe some care that the aluminum is supposed to be higher grade, but since
> the XDs are plenty strong and actually lighter, I'm not sure what that fancy
> aluminum gets you except for an increase in price.
>
> Not saying the MT isn't a great crank, just not sure how I'd justify
> spending the extra coin over a dressed up XD.
>
> Dustin
>
Steve Palincsar
> Come on, dude! $300 is way better than $115
>
> 300/115 = 2.60869
>
> The Mighty Tour is therefor 2.60869 times better. When you finish a
> ride, and a friend asks "How was your ride?" and you say "that was a
> nice ride", you'll know (forever) that it could have been 2.60869
> times NICER. You can't live with that kind of regret in this short
> life. :P
Then you should really consider one of those "modern" carbon cranks with
the external bearings. A thousand bucks is common with this type of
crank. That's got to be way better than a mere three hundred, right?
Well, maybe I was kidding about that part, but not about the thousand
bucks.
Steve Palincsar
> On that note, I don't really understand what the appeal of the Mighty Tour
> might be.
>
> If you spec'ed a nicer version of the XD (with high polish quality rings),
> you could sell it for $200 and still have a better deal than the Mighty
> Tour.
>
> The Q factor difference between the two cranks is insignificant. It won't
> please the true low-Q folks, and for some of us wider is better anyway.
>
> Maybe some care that the aluminum is supposed to be higher grade, but since
> the XDs are plenty strong and actually lighter, I'm not sure what that fancy
> aluminum gets you except for an increase in price.
>
> Not saying the MT isn't a great crank, just not sure how I'd justify
> spending the extra coin over a dressed up XD.
Or, an undressed-up XD, for that matter. Unless the ramped and pinned
rings matter to you. If you actually need those and have to buy TA
replacement rings to spiff up your XD-2, that'll add $150 to the price.
At that point, the Mighty Tour with Triplizer might not look so bad.
Patrick in VT
> However, if you want a
> nice finish, check out Jitensha's version of the Cospea/Alpina crank:
>
> pic:http://jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html
>
> However, the price is basically the same as Riv:
it's hard to tell from the pics, but how is that crank any different
than VO's? VO's comes with nicer rings. so where's the extra $110?
is it a Cospea/Alpina with higher grade material? or is this really
the Mighty Tour or Mighty Comp or whatever? weird.
William
applies within the same bottom bracket format. Duh!
David Hallerman
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=75_128_135_772
I have the silver Cospea, and this black one. And they are exactly the same, except for being anodized (not painted) black.
Dave, who does like a black crank with a black or a white bike
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Michael_S
with Stronglight pinned chainrings. The rings are a better alloy and
nicer finished. Oversea shipping is very reasonable and with the Pound
in a more favorable exchange rate these days not much higher than the
XD in total. I have used the compact double which is now sitting in a
box awaiting it's next assignment.
~Mike~
> > Good Luck!- Hide quoted text -
Garth
The Might cranks are not the same as VO's or Jitensha's or anyone
else's. The Mighty is the Mighty.
The difference in cost is the quality of the Al and the forging.
Patrick in VT
> The difference in cost is the quality of the Al and the forging.
that's what i'm trying to figure out. Jitensha is selling the cospea/
alpina for $280 (maybe a typo?). Riv is going to sell the Mighty for
$300. so not much difference in price there.
Garth
Yeah Patrick, Sugino is a mystery. Who knows what's made with what.
I'd say just get whatever crank you like, but don't beleieve for a
moment a more expensive one is "better",
any more than the lesser price one is "not as good".
It's vanity. It's not like I stare at my TA Zephyr crank and proclaim
what a beauty it is! After a few weeks of use it gets dirty, scratched
and scuffed.
So much for beauty.
Hey ... I'd love to be able to ride a $110 crankset, and I'd have no
qualms about it. Sugino just doesn't make my length.
Patrick in VT
> Yeah Patrick, Sugino is a mystery. Who knows what's made with what.
> I'd say just get whatever crank you like, but don't beleieve for a
> moment a more expensive one is "better",
> any more than the lesser price one is "not as good".
absolutely agree. I'm just curious about the whole thing and
wondering why the details are so fuzzy (material used, in particular)
given the price difference - from high end alpina to high end mighty
lies $200.
anyway, I actually have the Alpina/Cospea or whatever (which is indeed
dirty and scuffed!). it's a solid crank. I have TA Alize track crank
which makes me want to get a TA double . .. TA makes great stuff.
Garth
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/261/original_twocranksblogcomp.pdf
if you hadn't seen it.
The Alpina/Cospea do look just like the Mighty though, from these
links.
http://www.velo-orange.com/sualcr.html
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=9440&zenid=f89716241ad1a74de46f2747c5a83f58
But .....I may have figured it out...... these appear to be made of
6061 Al, not the more expensive 2014 Al, which the Mighty cranks are
made of.
If you look online for Mighty Track cranks, you'll see they're $300
plus. That's because of the 2014 Al used.
David Hallerman
The original one, which is even sleeker -- I own both, so have seen more than pix -- can be seen here:
http://www.jitensha.com/eng/cospeacrnk_e.html
or here, the bottom one:
http://taticycles.com/p/25
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Jon Grant
Yeah, I use 2014 cranks exclusively on all my race bikes, but I make do with 6061 cranks on my training bikes.
--
Jon “Klass Klown” Grant, adding nothing, as usual, in
Austin, Texas