Greybeards At Play*: ABQ Group Ride Sat April 4

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Patrick Moore

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Apr 4, 2026, 4:40:09 PMApr 4
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Tyler, the youngster at ~55, riding is eclectic Olmo (with OM-1 rd) took this photo of our 5-member “Rivendell or not, steel or not” ride this beautiful Spring day, after we had crested the Big Hill into Mesa del Sol, a perpetually still-in-progress business-cum-residential development on a a high mesa SE of the city. Chris on the Homer, John on the Roadini, Patrick on the Roadeo, and Ken on a carbon fiber Cannondale with Dura Ace Di2.

Lovely weather, 50+ miles (51.99 for me).


* The title of a very early literary work by G. K. Chesterton.


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Tyler Johnson

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Apr 4, 2026, 8:11:33 PMApr 4
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It looks like the surface of the moon out there…if the moon had backhoes. 
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Christopher Young

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Apr 5, 2026, 12:11:50 PMApr 5
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Here's another shot at one of our stops. Tyler is taking the picture so not visible.

Chris

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Patrick Moore

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Apr 5, 2026, 4:14:26 PMApr 5
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I’ve got my mouth stuffed with 1/2 of an energy bar, which account for the chipmunk cheeks.

Patrick “do these knickers make me look fat?” Moore

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Steve

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Apr 5, 2026, 6:19:01 PMApr 5
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“do these knickers make me look fat?” 

Knickers are classic, surprisingly comfortable and downright kool.  I like 'em. 
Tell about the pair your wearing in the pic, if you' please.

Patrick Moore

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Apr 5, 2026, 6:44:22 PMApr 5
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Those are Raphas, no longer made, I gather, that I bought used from someone onlist. They’re not bad, but not as comfortable or good-looking as the several pairs I made or had made by cutting down high-quality wool dress pants. My favorite cycling pants of all time are a pair of light flannel I Magnin men’s dress pants cut down by a professional tailor with light nylon wind barrier sewn into front, from waistband to knees, and wear patch in matching color but more durable fabric sewn into the saddle-contact area. I’ve made several similar knickers myself by having the long pants cut and hemmed at about the “plus 8” length and adding velcro to cinch them just below the knee. 

High-quality wool dress pants, or at least the dress pants that I wear, work very well indeed, not only for durable and breathable but warm and temperature-flexible fabric, but because they are cut high in the waist and cover you securely in back when you are bent over in the hooks. Perhaps it’s just me, but I have a long narrow torso,* and most off-shelf cycling pants are cut far too low in the waist, which is very annoying. To their credit, the Raphas are cut properly, and come up high enough to feel comfortable and avoid pants-to-jersey-gaps in the rear.

The Raphas came with a pad sewn inside the pants; a thin pad, but still a pad. They felt uncomfortable: binding, bunching, chafing. This over tight bamboo fabric (“rayon”) boxer briefs. I removed the pad and now they are fine. Pads in cycling shorts be damned! Especially the thick, diaper-like pads in the lycra shorts I heartily disliked and abandoned over 20 years ago. For the 52 mile ride I wore trim-fitting IOMerino boxer briefs.

I heartily recommend “plus 8” style knickers for cycling. And you can get extravagantly stylish: Fausto Coppi, brother, and friends on a winter training ride. How much nicer than Pas Normal!

Those must be plus 16s.

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* I was sitting on a hard metal bench this late morning co-teaching church school with our deacon, a young 40-something of pure Anglo background who when standing is a good 3” taller than I. When sitting I am 3” taller than he. He has a normal torso and I have normal legs, but my proportions are Asian on an Anglo scale. (5’11”). And rather thin.

Steve

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Apr 6, 2026, 7:58:52 PMApr 6
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Custom knickers - love it!      I just might have to pull out our sewing machine and give it a go.   

Thanks, Steve

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