Wilbury F/F on ebay

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CycloFiend

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Jan 6, 2010, 9:11:08 PM1/6/10
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Not mine. Don't know the seller. All that sort o' thing.

Light blue Wilbury frame and fork with painted to match pump

http://tinyurl.com/wilbury0112

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Mark

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Jan 11, 2010, 2:26:31 PM1/11/10
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I cant believe their is only ONE bid for this 2700.00 plus frame on
ebay. I would buy it if I was rich like the rest of you guys on this
blog.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120514295766&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

Surf cries!

Seth Vidal

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I can believe it. It's a large size, which is nice - but doesn't suit
a lot of people who would be targetting a mixte. IT's been around a
bit if you look UP CLOSE on the pictures and there's a day left.
There's no point bidding on it until you're down to the last half hour
or so anyway.

-sv

Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

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Jan 11, 2010, 2:36:59 PM1/11/10
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The mixtes, they ain't for everybody...

(I like them though, and suggested this for a friend who has some
range of motion issues)

On Jan 11, 1:27 pm, Seth Vidal <skvi...@gmail.com> wrote:


> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:26 PM, Mark <mclbicy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I cant believe their is only ONE bid for this 2700.00 plus frame on
> > ebay. I would buy it if I was rich like the rest of you guys on this
> > blog.
>

> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120514295766&ssPag...

Seth Vidal

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
<thil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The mixtes, they ain't for everybody...
>
> (I like them though, and suggested this for a friend who has some
> range of motion issues)
>

I agree. There is one in my house already and another one coming but
neither of them are riv's. I looked hard at this one and for what it
is I think I'd be better off getting a betty/yves and springing for
the extra paint job, then I get the specific color I want.

Hope someone enjoys it and if they get it for $950 - even better for them.

-sv

JoelMatthews

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Jan 11, 2010, 3:42:09 PM1/11/10
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I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.
Now that someone is bidding (and presumably others will join in
tomorrow) I am backing off. It is one thing to pay under a grand for
a bike to keep it on ice. Another altogether to pay two bills (which
I think this may end up going for).

So if the day ever comes, it will be back to the custom builders for
me.

On Jan 11, 1:42 pm, Seth Vidal <skvi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:36 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>

Seth Vidal

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On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 3:42 PM, JoelMatthews <joelma...@mac.com> wrote:
> I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
> range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.
> Now that someone is bidding (and presumably others will join in
> tomorrow) I am backing off.  It is one thing to pay under a grand for
> a bike to keep it on ice.  Another altogether to pay two bills (which
> I think this may end up going for).

Amusingly this is EXACTLY my progress of thoughts, too. :)

> So if the day ever comes, it will be back to the custom builders for
> me.

Or order an yves gomez now for $1200 and hang it in the attic.

-sv

Bruce

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Jan 11, 2010, 3:48:37 PM1/11/10
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I rechecked my PBH, believe me. The bike is still too tall for me...


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Steve Palincsar

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Jan 11, 2010, 5:22:55 PM1/11/10
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On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 12:42 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> I was watching it under a theory that perhaps 15 years from now my
> range of motion may decrease to the point where I would want a Mixte.

How old are you, anyway? I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
for a diamond frame. So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s. There are
ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
agility of a rope-dancer, you know.

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JoelMatthews

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> How old are you, anyway? I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> for a diamond frame. So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s. There are
> ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> agility of a rope-dancer, you know.

Mid-40s.

When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
started restoring houses with my younger brother. So it is possible
genetics favor me. But you never know when an accident or disease or
something could come along.

For less than one thousand, a lovely JB painted Wilbury would be nice
insurance. Any more than that, I am fine taking a chance on keeping
my diamond frames.

JoelMatthews

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> LOTS of young and old guys on em. My wife has one and it has a
> different ride sort of, maybe its in my head, but I love em and would
> have one if I lived in Europe, or if I wasnt already happy with what I
> got. I am a monogamous bike owner, not a polygamous bike owner like
> you rich guys, so I am happy for what I have.

Mark:

Probably not so much the Wilbury, which is very well designed and
executed, but mixtes tend to flex more than diamond frames. I expect
the Wilbury has a weight penalty.

But it is very beautiful. The lines are like sculpture. The JB paint
job really pulls out the lug and frame details.

I have a camping bike, a city bike, and a 650B (rando style, I
suppose, but I do not ride organized rando or brevet) road bike on the
way. Otherwise, I have no issues riding a mixte.

On Jan 11, 4:54 pm, Mark <mclbicy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You do not have to be an old guy to ride a mixte. They just are kind
> of sissy to some guys, but only here in America. In europe you see

>
> I will to admit that I didnt get the LARGE SIZE, when I read it, and
> that will definatley thin the herd.
> But they are really nice Japanese frames and the color is nice.
>
> Thats all folks!
>
> Surf

Steve Palincsar

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Jan 11, 2010, 6:27:28 PM1/11/10
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On Mon, 2010-01-11 at 15:22 -0800, JoelMatthews wrote:
> > How old are you, anyway? I'm 67 and I have plenty of range of motion
> > for a diamond frame. So, too, did Ernest Csuka in his 80s. There are
> > ways of mounting and dismounting that don't require the flexibility and
> > agility of a rope-dancer, you know.
>
> Mid-40s.

A callow youth, in other words...

>
> When my dad retired from his medical practice in his late 60s he
> started restoring houses with my younger brother. So it is possible
> genetics favor me. But you never know when an accident or disease or
> something could come along.

Yes, death could be just around the corner. But assuming you don't kick
the bucket or become so incapacitated you can't ride a bike, there's no
reason to believe that in my god, a quarter of a century, you'll become
so unfit you won't be able to get on a diamond frame.

Andrew

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Jan 11, 2010, 8:15:27 PM1/11/10
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Im a little confused by the size, if you read the bottom it says from
center of BB to the tip of the lug on the seatpost is 59cm, so maybe
its really a 58cm. They never made a 58cm, but also it says the theo
toptube is a 56 which would make it smaller than a 58cm. Any thoughts?

Dick Gilpin

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Jan 11, 2010, 9:10:19 PM1/11/10
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Joel, you're right - "You never know when an accident or disease or
something could come along." I'm 64, and have ridden a Wilbury for a number
of miles. Three and a half years ago I was involved in a freak accident in
which I fell off a ravine and shattered my shoulder and pelvis. Three
surgeries later I now have a new hip, but the nerve in my left leg is hosed
up and I'm left with a leg that feels numb all the time and a foot with
limited control. I also wear an orthotic device to keep my foot from
dropping. I've loved riding bikes, and I didn't want the accident to stop
me from riding. I bought a Wilbury because it was very difficult for me to
swing my leg over the top tube. The Wilbury is a fine riding bike, and it's
served its purpose well. Now that my leg has gotten stronger I'm able to
ride my other nice bikes, but starting off is still a bit of a challenge.
Today I start off my rides with my bike next to a curb - it makes the top
tube about 6-8 inches lower which makes taking off a lot easier. I gave my
daughter my Wilbury, but at times I miss the ride of that beautiful bike.

Dick
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cyclotourist

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Jan 11, 2010, 9:37:57 PM1/11/10
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My wife's Glorius is a 56cm and measures to 57cm at the top of the lug point.

I love step-through frames.  You don't have to "need" one in order to enjoy them.  Hopping on and going just seems easier on a step through.  I steal hers as often as possible!

I'm looking closely at the one on ebaby, but know the fun doesn't start till the last 12 seconds of the auction... :-)


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> I love step-through frames. You don't have to "need" one in order to enjoy
> them. Hopping on and going just seems easier on a step through. I steal
> hers as often as possible!

I don't disagree out of hand. Personally I think mixtes - the
Japanese Riv's especially so - are among the more sculptural of
bikes.

However, I live in a densely populated area of the city in a rather
small one bedroom apartment. Sure, I could get a storage space, or
even keep the bike in the basement of one of my investment
properties. But I long ago made the decision that if I am going to
own something, it goes in my apartment or on the balcony.

I already have three bikes (and hundreds of antique bike parts and
tools). If I am going to be keeping a 4th frame around, I need an
excuse. Moreover, as lovely as that Wilbury is, I get the sense a lot
there are lot of people out there who actually want to ride it.
Keeping it out of commission would be slightly criminal.

On Jan 11, 8:37 pm, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My wife's Glorius <http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/333596692/>is a

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JoelMatthews

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See, that is what I was thinking Dick. Meant no slight to riders
older than I. Indeed, I am sure a good number of them could drop and
out haul me. But I have seen what an unfortunate injury or arthritis
can do to your ability to throw a leg over the saddle.

Good to hear the rehab is coming along so well. I can only hope I
remain so committed to riding.

On Jan 11, 8:10 pm, Dick Gilpin <dgil...@cox.net> wrote:
> Joel, you're right - "You never know when an accident or disease or
> something could come along."  I'm 64, and have ridden a Wilbury for a number
> of miles. Three and a half years ago I was involved in a freak accident in
> which I fell off a ravine and shattered my shoulder and pelvis.  Three
> surgeries later I now have a new hip, but the nerve in my left leg is hosed
> up and I'm left with a leg that feels numb all the time and a foot with
> limited control.  I also wear an orthotic device to keep my foot from
> dropping.  I've loved riding bikes, and I didn't want the accident to stop
> me from riding.  I bought a Wilbury because it was very difficult for me to
> swing my leg over the top tube.  The Wilbury is a fine riding bike, and it's
> served its purpose well.  Now that my leg has gotten stronger I'm able to
> ride my other nice bikes, but starting off is still a bit of a challenge.
> Today I start off my rides with my bike next to a curb - it makes the top
> tube about 6-8 inches lower which makes taking off a lot easier.  I gave my
> daughter my Wilbury, but at times I miss the ride of that beautiful bike.
>
> Dick
> Dick Gilpin
> 924 Kristen Road
> Derby, Ks  67037

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Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

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I agree that the Riv mixtes are pretty, but they really missed the
boat by not building in clearance for the 2.3" neo-moto. How badass
would that be!

cyclotourist

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I was thinking CX dismounts myself.

EricP

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A few years ago, when a lot heavier, thought pretty seriously about
getting a Wilbury. Hiawatha Cyclery had a used model, in red, with
top of the line components. Would have been a lot easier to swing a
very fat leg over that bike than what I was riding at the time.
Unfortunately, an inherent cheapness prevented the purchase.

Plus, those bikes are some of the most beautiful out there. Seems
more so with that Joe Bell paint job. And just enough beausage to
make it real.

Eric Platt
(who is watching, but not going to bid on that bike)

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JoelMatthews

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> I agree that the Riv mixtes are pretty, but they really missed the
> boat by not building in clearance for the 2.3" neo-moto. How badass
> would that be!

Yeah. Maybe even in cream if available. Although I think GP has
somewhat more understated taste.

As of 8:14 a.m. CST, the bidding is now over $1k. The original bidder
is no longer in the lead. Will the OB come back to claim the day? Or
was the OB a dreamer like some of us - actually dissapointed an
unbuilt Wilbury with JB paint is heading for the higher prices?

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Seth Vidal

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Mark <mclbi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Carolina Blue making a Glorius blush pink! Wow!

See, this is the other problem.

I live in Durham, NC - where Duke Univ is located.

Having a tarheel blue bicycle may not be the best way to NOT have a
bicycle defaced.

-sv

cyclotourist

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Jan 12, 2010, 10:29:38 AM1/12/10
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Wouldn't they make a nice couple!

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:10 AM, Mark <mclbi...@gmail.com> wrote:
I say IF you want a mixte, that one on ebay is WELL WORTH 1k......true
we will have to see where its going to end up. I just wish I could
figure out its correct size. I am still stumped.
Btw/ Way to go Dick Gilpin! I am very proud of you, people have no
clue how difficult it can be to make a comeback from an accident.
Also David (cyclotourist) don't let this crowd of bicycle bigamists
and polygamists discourage you. Even if you too are a practicing
bicycle bigamist, that Wilbury would be very happily married to your
wifes Glorious!
very cute couple indeed.


Carolina Blue making a Glorius blush pink! Wow!


Surf



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Allingham II, Thomas J

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looks like that f/f may go quite cheaply.


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On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:30 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J
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> looks like that f/f may go quite cheaply.

Long time to go and all the bidding happens in the last 30 minutes.


-sv

Allingham II, Thomas J

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What's your guess for the final #? (There's a non-JB one for sale in College Park, MD for $1450, I believe.) It's an intriguing frame to me.

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Seth Vidal

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Allingham II, Thomas J
<Thomas.A...@skadden.com> wrote:
> What's your guess for the final #?  (There's a non-JB one for sale in College Park, MD for $1450, I believe.)  It's an intriguing frame to me.
>

I'd bet it'll end up $1200-1500 depending on various things.

I've seen the one in college park/mt airy in person - there are some
chips in the paint that aren't shown in the pictures - one of them
touched up fairly badly I wasn't keen on other-things there that I
won't go into.

-sv

Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

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"Although I think GP has somewhat more understated taste. "

That's funny. Not sure the Wilbury could be characterized as
"understated" with the over-the-top lugs. And have you forgotten
Speedblends, tweed mudflaps, and the RR article about running one's
bike up hills whilst wearing a Sherlock Holmes hat?

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JoelMatthews

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> What's your guess for the final #? (There's a non-JB one for sale in College Park, MD for $1450, I believe.) It's an intriguing frame to me.

If I did not have the good bike mix I do now I would bid $1650.00 and
hope to spend a little less overall. This f/f has sat around, but has
not been built. JB paint is something special. The matching pump is
a cool add on.

One thing that may keep the price down, at least among the Riv-(and
Mixte) uninitiated is the lack of a stand over measurement. There is
a block of would be eBay bike buyers who put huge stock in stand over
height when deciding whether or not to bid.

I sold an MTB on eBay once and included no stand over height in the
description - reasonable, when one considers the design of an MTB. I
got a few inquiries about stand over, so printed a response to one
saying I have no idea how to come to a stand over measurement on a
mountain bike. I provided my height and leg length and also the mfg
recommendations. Nonetheless, I had several more stand over
inquiries, and a couple nasty grams for not coming clean in my answer.

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> What's your guess for the final #?  (There's a non-JB one for sale in College Park, MD for $1450, I believe.)  It's an intriguing frame to me.
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> > looks like that f/f may go quite cheaply.
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> Long time to go and all the bidding happens in the last 30 minutes.
>
> -sv
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> If I did not have the good bike mix I do now I would bid $1650.00 and
> hope to spend a little less overall.

Am I good, or what? ;)

And no, I did not bid on it. Hope the winner comes here to post build
pics when done.

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JoelMatthews

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Jan 12, 2010, 3:46:37 PM1/12/10
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> That's funny. Not sure the Wilbury could be characterized as
> "understated" with the over-the-top lugs. And have you forgotten
> Speedblends, tweed mudflaps, and the RR article about running one's
> bike up hills whilst wearing a Sherlock Holmes hat?

All good points. Somehow he seems to draw the line on real fat tires
though. Wonder why?

On Jan 12, 9:48 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>

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Seth Vidal

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Jan 12, 2010, 3:54:26 PM1/12/10
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 3:44 PM, JoelMatthews <joelma...@mac.com> wrote:
>> If I did not have the good bike mix I do now I would bid $1650.00 and
>> hope to spend a little less overall.
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> Am I good, or what? ;)
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> And no, I did not bid on it.  Hope the winner comes here to post build
> pics when done.


Well done. I bet it was Cyclotourist, though. He's been jonesing for a
wilbury in his size for a while.

:)

-sv

cyclotourist

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Jan 12, 2010, 9:13:22 PM1/12/10
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Ha!  I wish you were correct!  This one would have fit and it looks GORGEOUS and I love using step-throughs. 
I could rationalize $1650 for a complete one, but not a F&F.

So no, another one that got away...

Jason Hartman

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Jan 12, 2010, 10:34:34 PM1/12/10
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On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:51 AM, JoelMatthews <joelma...@mac.com> wrote:

One thing that may keep the price down, at least among the Riv-(and
Mixte) uninitiated is the lack of a stand over measurement.  There is
a block of would be eBay bike buyers who put huge stock in stand over
height when deciding whether or not to bid.

Ha Ha!

With a mid top tube standover of about 25 inches,
that bike should be perfectly sized for a someone
around ten years old!

Jay Hartman
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