Large saddlesack simplest and/or cheapest way to mount on a bike without a rack and no eyelets?

[Daniel D.]

I have three bikes I'd like to use with a saddlesack.  I'd rather buy the large not the medium.  But one of the bikes, an older road bike, doesn't have eyelets.  Is there a cheap and easy way to get the large saddlesack installed on a bike with no rack?  Only going to carry light loads on that bike at most 10 pounds.

[drew]

The large is huge. Even the medium is as big or bigger than the largest carradice. Why go so big if you only want to haul light loads? In my experience, the large/wide/flat bottom of saddlesacks necessitates a rack or flattish support system for optimal use, where a rounder bottom bag can hang or sit on a hupe/bagman/alternative seat mounted support easier.

I'm sure somebody has done it, but for my personal taste, even a mark's rack on the rear wasn't enough of a base for the large saddlesack.

[Ron Mc]

might try thism Nitto R-12  

http://www.alexscycle.com/campee-1/camping-carrier/nitto-r12-bag-supporter-max-capacity-2kg-cp-178g.html  

pretty sure Ben's sells it for about $10 more with shipping.  

  

this is on a cross frame, also no eyelets for anything - I've a bit creative outfitting it  

[Ron Mc]

ps, if you also need the Nitto wire cage for your brake cable (or just to make a rear stand-off), both Alex and Ben's have it for good prices.  

http://www.alexscycle.com/misc/other/nitto-rear-brake-cable-wire-guard.html  but the combo saves almost $20 buying from Japan.  

[Daniel D.]

Just the bike without eyelets would see light loads.  The other two bikes I'd use the saddlesack with have racks etc., would see heavier loads.
Besides I'm a "no replacement for displacement" kinda guy :p and the medium isn't even that much cheaper than the large. 

On Friday, February 26, 2016 at 11:01:17 PM UTC-8, drew wrote:

The large is huge. Even the medium is as big or bigger than the largest carradice. Why go so big if you only want to haul light loads? In my experience, the large/wide/flat bottom of saddlesacks necessitates a rack or flattish support system for optimal use, where a rounder bottom bag can hang or sit on a hupe/bagman/alternative seat mounted support easier.

I'm sure somebody has done it, but for my personal taste, even a mark's rack on the rear wasn't enough of a base for the large saddlesack.

Thanks for the suggestion, Ron. 

[Bill Lindsay]

You could try the old Hupe.  Rivendell used to sell it, and they showed how to use it fast and easy, but about 80% of the people who bought it failed to install it, scratched up their paint, cursed up a storm and got rid of them. 

Here's one on ebay:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Cycles-Silver-Hupe-Rear-Bag-Rack-Support-/182032104344?hash=item2a61f57b98:g:sNwAAOSwx-9Ww0NN

[Philip Kim]

I have one of the hupes if you buy shrink wrap I think you can fix it. I'm willing to sell mine since I bought a rack to also attach a dyno rack

[Joe Bernard]

This should work for you. I thought the Nitto R10 was out of production, but Ben's has them. Attaches at the seatpost and a couple P-clamps, no eyelets needed.

http://www.benscycle.com/p-2107-nitto-r10-rear-rack.aspx

[Joe Bernard]

Hupes are fine for Beausage Bikes, but fuhgeddaboutit if you're a scratched paint phobe like me. I get cold sweats just being near the wretched contraptions.

Joe "I don't like leaning brake levers against the wall, either" Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

[islaysteve]

I have a Hupe ( yes it will scratch your frame) and I don't think it would sit low enough for a large bag, but I guess it depends on the frame. Also a friend looked at it for use on his Atlantis and we concluded that it would interfere with the brake cable. If you're in the DC ( DMV) area, you're welcome to try mine.
Steve

[Joe Broach]

Hey Daniel,

For such light loads, if you have the airspace just hang it from the saddle. I did that for years with more weight, and the only issue was the thick leather straps got a little notched and might eventually have worn through from the sharp Brooks loops. Hanging from a Nitto bag grip or homemade equivalent would be even mas bueno.

I'm with you on going huge. Still have and love my Baggins Hoss and never regretted upsizing.

Best,

joe "This post not approved by RivLegal. Using SaddleSacks without multiple redundant support systems could result in damage to property, dismemberment, or death. But probably not."

pdx or

On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 9:32 PM, Daniel D. <dddo...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have three bikes I'd like to use with a saddlesack.  I'd rather buy the large not the medium.  But one of the bikes, an older road bike, doesn't have eyelets.  Is there a cheap and easy way to get the large saddlesack installed on a bike with no rack?  Only going to carry light loads on that bike at most 10 pounds.

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[Patrick Moore]

It will probably be hard to find enough space for a Large without a support. My 58 c-c 26" wheel custom (wheels slightly under 25" in overall diameter) had just enough space for a Medium; without the stiffener it would have dragged on the tire. Note that this was with bare tires -- no fenders. Note too that I buckled mine directly to the Flite's rails.

That said, I carried 35 lb*on this setup with little trouble -- no dragging, no rear brake interference and no untoward handling problems.

Note further that the Sackville Medium has an effective capacity (ie, can hold as much miscellaneous groceries) as the Hoss, whatever the respective theoretical measured volumes are. I'd say that, if you are not going to carry hugely bulky or heavy loads, a Medium is all you need - it carries more than I can fit in a single Ortlieb Back Roller.

I expect that a Large would carry almost as much as a pair of Ortlieb Back Rollers, no?

Me, if I'm going to use a rack, I prefer panniers for volume flexibility and ease of removal. The whole point of saddlebags, for me, is to forgo a rack.

(Aside: The Hoss did very well strapped to the Turbo's rails, on my erstwhile Ken Rogers BRT (nicely restored early '80s model). Without a center rear wheel to interfere, the saggy (by comparison to the Sackville design) Hoss could use all of its volume without interfering with anything, and -- very nice! -- even a very heavy load had no effect on handling, and -- even nicer! -- the trike never tipped over. The only annoying thing was that, without some sort of parking brake, the trike tended to roll away from you while you were trying to load it.

* I tend to measure the weight of particularly big loads -- not because I'm compulsive but for reasons of scientific wonder. Right?

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[Patrick Moore]

Speaking of Hoss: I'm in the market for a good used one, or even a Med Saddlesack -- I assume that a used Hoss would be cheaper. This for the Hon Solo -- plenty of space there!