Very clever video

[Tim]

I'm glad I did my brevet series in the Northeast last year instead of the Wild, Wild West!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnPUe80oBZw

[Michael Hechmer]

I'm sorry but I didn't find this the least bit humorous, in light of real gun violence or anti cyclist feelings in this country. Although exposing it is the best antiseptic.

Michael

[Richard Rios]

Ha! That was great :) the look on the Duke's face was priceless. And this is exactly what it feels like riding round here in the wild wild west...next redlands strada rossa I'll be wearing a Kevlar vest, rather than rolling it in my tires!) Goat heads be damned it's bullets i be lookin' out for.

[masmojo]

Hilarious!

[iamkeith]

Yeah... as someone who DOES still live and do his brevets in the wild, wild  west, I kind of have mixed feelings about that.   Clever from a creative aspect, but also reminds me of Sara Palin's campaign ads that featured Barack Obama in the crosshairs of a gun scope.   You can't really do something like this without your true sentiments showing through.

I just happen to be wearing this T-shirt at the moment , so I thought I'd share.  This is better.   

It's from a previous Tour de Wyoming - our local and very awesome tour - designed to promote fellowship throughout the state.   Lottery is open to all, regardless of where you live....hint, hint.  

http://www.tourdewyoming.org/

It's getting more popular and harder to get it, but we were successful again this year, after a couple of years hiatus.  My 13 year old daughter will be joining us this year, for her first.  She'll be riding an XO-1, my wife will be riding a Rambouillet, and I'll be riding my All Rounder!  Wooo Hooo!!!

I can attest that some of that other mentality does exist in small dark corners, but it's the exception rather than the norm these days.   You know what's awesome about the real west?   Pulling into a small town early on a hot afternoon during the Tour, with time to kill, not even having a lock, leaving two Rivendell bikes leaning against the outside the movie theater on the main street of the town, and not even worrying for a second about them still being there after the movie.

[Don Compton]

AMEN

[Patrick Moore]

I found it modestly amusing, but I'm not offended by it. 

[René Sterental]

I didn't like it. Substitute cyclists with any other group of people and it still isn't funny, but those who might be laughing now might laugh no longer. 

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:

I found it modestly amusing, but I'm not offended by it. 

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[BSWP]

It's hardly very funny, and it's definitely dangerous. There are plenty enough people out there who harbor ill-will toward cyclists, and scenes like those in the vid only serve to legitimize violence against bicyclists.

And it has nothing at all to do with RBW or its bicycles.

- Andrew, Berkeley

[Hugh Smitham]

Not humorous for all the previous statements. Why would anyone make a video like this. I like humor but this is in very bad taste and the youtube comments are deplorable.

~Hugh

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016 at 12:59:08 PM UTC-7, Tim wrote:

[Ron Mc]

The only dangerous thing is this thread.  I didn't find the video humorous, and the bike wrecks look painful and tragic.  But other than being pointless and silly, there is nothing dangerous in the video.  There are people who make a lot of money selling gun violence in Hollywood.  Curious they are also the same people who are most vociferous about outlawing firearms in the US - hypocrisy at its greatest level of self-employment.  

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0936501/?ref_=ttmd_md_nm

This hypocrite is already producing his 3rd and 4th gun violence sequels.  

I stayed away for awhile, but this thread is stupid, and I strongly recommend to the moderators that it be deleted.  

It all went downhill after High Noon

If any of you people believe this video is dangerous, then you need to actively and thoroughly boycott hollywood, or you're a hypocrite, too.  

[Brian Campbell]

I did not find it funny on its own merits. I don't think its dangerous. The comments section shows that a lot people seem to be angry about people riding bikes. You like guns, that's ok with me. I don't. I hope that's ok with you.

[Ron Mc]

"Liking guns" is not an issue, or maybe not even a reality, except possibly to people who choose to not own firearms.  

The US Census Bureau does report, though, state-by-state, per-capita firearm ownership and per-capita gun murders are inversely proportional.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state  

Where I live, it's a social norm for random strangers to start up conversations.  

This thread does not belong on this forum.  

[Jon Dukeman in the foothills of Colorado]

Sorry!

In todays society..Not funny..Don't give the crazies any more ideas.You can watch the same thing on the evening news every night and it's not funny.

Northern Colorado had a sniper last year picking off cars on the freeway and he killed a couple of cyclists. The sniper wasn't caught. I hope he doesn't see this video.

My two cents.

[Hugh Smitham]

Ron,

I like you and I like that you like bikes and I'm okay with you liking guns. What I don't like is your hyperbole regarding this thread. These are good peoples opinions who feel there is too much anger and hostility out in the world and a lot of it by unhinged people driving cars with guns who have a thing against cyclists. Yes there is a lot hypocrisy in the world and Hollywood is no different than any self serving enterprise in the world get over it! 

On guns. They in themselves are not dangerous. Human beings on the other hand can be as we've seen played out time and time again. Sensible gun control is the right thing to do, deep background checks, psychological checks, longer wait times and closing the gun show loophole. Also assault rifles have no business outside of the military. 

However, cars are far more dangerous. We will give an auto licence to anyone and the impatience level with drivers towards cyclists is crazy short. Not to mention the other societal ills their existence causes. 

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2016/04/absurd-primacy-of-the-car-in-american-life/476346/

Jon is totally right we don't need to give these crazies any ideas.

I think one of the things that disturbs me to the core is the fact that we as a nation can't seem to reach out to others to find common ground, nowhere is this more evident than the current political morass we see playing out before us. One of the things I like about this group is that it's very accommodating to others viewpoints. I know some think we're a bunch of grouch's with narrow viewpoints regarding bike's but I think that's an unfair description.

My .02

 

~Hugh

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.” ― Albert Einstein

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On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Garth <gart...@gmail.com> wrote:

    Condemning each other and ourselves, regardless of the "ration-ale", is absolutely no different than the very depictions of "shootin' 'em down"  .  Regardless of the subject and object.  Yes . . .  "shooting down" all those self dis-agreeable thoughts, people and images . 

  And yes , this will be "shot down" too, and so what ?   Shoot away .  There's always more to self dis-agree with , the subjects and objects change but it's just rearranging the same one sense of self dis-agreement.  It's all about nothing !  Nothing about nothing is nothing.

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[Ron Mc]

Hugh, I think you're projecting, which is inevitable on this thread.  I own firearms, but don't "like guns". I do enjoy target shooting, taught my daughter the responsibility of firearms as my dad taught me (our local range is the hyperbole of safety and at 12-y-o they recognized her safe conduct and let shoot at her own stand - of course I was in the stand right beside her).  It's not something I do with the frequency of cycling (reblocked a scope two years ago and haven't sighted it in yet).  I'm not an NRA member, and generally don't like them.  I think my post stands without hyperbole and the specific example I cited is the most phenomenal hypocrite on the planet.  He has and continues to make tens of millions from gun violence.  I honestly get Tarantino - he's a Japanese cartoon for grownups.  

And what he does has no more semblance to reality than the video that opened this thread.  

The hyperbole is your perceived threat from people in cars who may have a firearm.  

If a person in a car wants to kill you on your bike, he doesn't need a firearm. He can kill you without leaving a mark on his car.  A person in a car with a firearm is more likely to be a stable person, as statistics prove.  

[Ron Mc]

I did shoot a 40-lb raccoon that attacked my Akita.  When I got her to the vet, I was happy to learn the blood on her was not hers, but the raccoon.  

[Ron Mc]

It wasn't Darwin and survival of the fittest - it was me protecting mine.  

[masmojo]

Well,honestly I think people take things far too literally/seriously these days, sign of the times maybe, but the only way to fight it is not to do it. I don't believe the people who did the video meant any ill will, they probably are cyclists themselves who noticed the fact that roadies going down violently looks quite gruesome and over a few beers hatched the idea for this. I believe it was meant to be funny so I take it at face value.
Could some people read something into it? Sure and they probably will, but those kind of people will find their inspiration anywhere!
Next people will be saying not to watch Monty Python, because its too bloody and promotes violence!
Being born and raised in an era when there was little politcal correctness to working for 30 years and working in an environment that is now PC to the extreme, its hard to say which was worse. In fact we are already starting to see a backlash against extreme PCness and if Trump is any indicator it's only going to intensify.
Lighten up folks!

[Jon Dukeman]

Did you read the comments under the video?

[Mark in Beacon]

On Thursday, April 14, 2016 at 1:27:13 PM UTC-4, Hugh Smitham wrote:

On guns. They in themselves are not dangerous. Human beings on the other hand can be...
...

I have to disagree a little bit here, with the old saw that "guns don't kill, etc."

http://www.ibtimes.com/accidental-gun-deaths-involving-children-are-major-problem-us-2250568

Doesn't poison come with a skull and crossbones, or a similar written warning? Things can be inherently more dangerous in and of themselves, no? That probably explains why few depressed people try to kill themselves with Flintstones vitamins or sticks.

At least I finally learned the truth about those people in Hollywood! They seem so sincere on the red carpet and those talk shows.

But in the interest of keeping the peace, I'd like to bring the topic back to bicycle-related matters. Who wears a helmet and why do or don't you? And paired (or not) with what type or brand of chain lube?

Seriously though, since this video obviously is not so egregious as to run afoul of youtube standards, never mind the U.S. constitution, what we are simply talking about here is taste, a time-honored American tradition indeed. Personally, from the comments, I have zero desire to watch the thing or read the comments on that thread. It will only confirm my belief that we live in a country and a time where anything goes and nothing matters. Which makes me appreciate a tootle on my Clementine ever more.

 

[Mark in Beacon]

Here is an antidote video, courtesy of the Riv Blug:

https://youtu.be/eJX8jMX8x94

[René Sterental]

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[Ron Mc]

That is a great video Mark, but in a way subterfuge following your prior post.  Firearms are not about Flintstone vitamins and suicide.  The issue is the right to defend your person, family and property.  

The sincere hollywood people,  though they may be actors, are all armed to the teeth, and do get rich glorifying gun violence,.  They hire armed mercenaries to defend their persons, families and property.  At the same time, they decry your right and my right to do the same.  

The right of self defense goes back to the Magna Carta, though then it was written only for the privileged and powerful.  

It remains that way in England today.  Self-defense is not a right for the common man.  If you strike a perpetrator in self-defense, you are guilty of assault and battery. 

Only in our country does every person have this right.  

Our founding fathers designed our constitution and government so that the population centers could not dictate to (and pilfer) the agrarian expanse - a foundation that continues to be chipped away.  

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/15/2016 07:44 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
> That is a great video Mark, but in a way subterfuge following your
> prior post. Firearms are not about Flintstone vitamins and suicide.
> The issue is the right to defend your person, family and property.

I think the statistics will bear out, in actual use there's far more
suicide than personal, family and property defense going on; and many if
not most of those who bear arms in the name of defending person, family
and property are woefully unprepared to effectively do so, and if they
actually ever had to try they would be ineffectual and dangers to
themselves.

[Ron Mc]

don't count me and my daughter among them Steve, nor do you have the right to dictate to me, regardless of your imagination.  

That's actually where the NRA went wrong.  They were founded as a training organization and have given that up to become a political organization.  

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/15/2016 07:59 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
> don't count me and my daughter among them Steve, nor do you have the
> right to dictate to me, regardless of your imagination.

And where was I dictating to you? That's purely in your imagination. I
was describing many of the people I know or that my wife knows. I'm
confident based on your postings that you are at least familiar with
safe handling and operation, although it's not clear whether either of
you have the training to be effective under the stress of actual combat
conditions.

>
> That's actually where the NRA went wrong. They were founded as a
> training organization and have given that up to become a political
> organization.

I completely agree with you. I would happily join the NRA of the
training era, before it became radicalized, and think highly of the old
Citizen Marksmanship Program.

[Ron Mc]

unlike bicycles, anyone making firearms a lifestyle is a creepy idea.  But certainly where I live, the norm is rational capable people

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/15/2016 08:10 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
> unlike bicycles, anyone making firearms a lifestyle is a creepy idea.

+1

[Ron Mc]

you also don't get the right to audit me,  though both the Federal government and the owner of the local range do get that right.  

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/15/2016 08:26 AM, Ron Mc wrote:
> you also don't get the right to audit me, though both the Federal
> government and the owner of the local range do get that right.

And I never asserted any such right.

However, let me remind you, I do have the right to express an opinion.

[Ron Mc]

not about me

[Garth]

   Haha !   Man's only enemy is to not other people, but themselves and their own self-rightousness.  So sure, one man could judge-sentence-execute everyone who disagrees with their arbitrary sense of "right-and -wrong-ness" ,  but then one is eventually left with oneself, and sheer magnitude of those arbitrary senses of right-wrong end up overwhelming one and so judging-sentencing-executing the very source of which they arose from, ones own identity. The weapon(of self righteousness) turns to the only one left, the creator-shooter, so to speak.  

   Who "dies" ?  The whole shebang . The whole "dream of the possibility of being the impossible".

      What is "left" , is literally incompressible . The Absolute, The Infinite. Whole, Complete, Perfect....

[masmojo]

I think we all hope to sway people to our point of view and end the conflict or disagreement by what we seee as rational means, but rarely does it happen; people are too invested in their own points of view & initially at least their mind won't be swayed. It takes time for an idea to be absorbed into the pyschy and even then sometimes a radical life changing event for people to realize that maybe they were wrong.
Unfortunately, it takes a very powerful prophet or public speaker to eloquently alter the way we think about things and unfortunately most of us don't have that skill. So try as we might things just digress and this thread is a fine example. ;-)

[Ron Mc]

no one wants to or certainly expects to sway anybody - just wants to be heard.  

In this venue, I consider my opinion to be minority, which I think makes it even more important to be voiced.  

[Scott Henry]

Ron,
We are certainly the minority here.
I liked the video, thought it was funny. Some work went into it and
the clip editing was well done. Look up "the Farting Preacher" on
YouTube, even more hilarious.

Here I will take more heat off of you. One, my 16 y/o son just bought
his first gun over the weekend. A Mossberg Tactical 22, yes, its a
scary looking semi-auto black gun. He's looking forward to heading
to the range and not having to borrow one of mine. Two, I would
say that about 75% of the times I ride, I have a pistol in my front
bag.
Scott

[Curtis McKenzie]

Time to reset this thread to the enjoyment of bicycles.

Curtis 

[Mark in Beacon]

Ron Mc wrote:no one wants to or certainly expects to sway anybody - just wants to be heard.  In this venue, I consider my opinion to be minority, which I think makes it even more important to be voiced.

Which makes it odd that you asked for the thread to be removed because you felt it was dangerous.

Steve Palincsar wrote:
However, let me remind you, I do have the right to express an opinion.

Ron Mc wrote:   
not about me

Yet you expressed some strong opinions about your fellow RBW members:

I stayed away for awhile, but this thread is stupid, and I strongly recommend to the moderators that it be deleted.  

If any of you people believe this video is dangerous, then you need to actively and thoroughly boycott hollywood, or you're a hypocrite, too.

 Again, this really can be simple if we allow people to express their opinion on the video in question, and not try to then personalize it to how smart or dumb or hypocritical that opinion makes them. Just confine our comments to our opinion of the video, or even our opinion of what it represents, and we can disagree in a civil manner.

[Ron Mc]

I do mind if you quote me out of context and tell others what I actually meant.  You also don't get to claim that you confined your comments to the video.  

You also acted out in full why I said to begin with that the thread was more dangerous than the video.  

[LeahFoy]

I didn't find the video terribly interesting, but you can count me among the firearm enthusiasts on this forum. Riv content: I find appendix carry to be the best answer when riding my Betty Foy. Sig Sauer P238 in rainbow finish for the win.

[BenG]

Reminded me of shooting metal ducks in my wind-up shooting gallery with a suction-cup dart gun, circa 1967. I thought it was funny, esp. the wry grin on JW's face at the end. Obviously so ridiculous that it had no correlation to reality for me. I've hunted, and bicycled, and watched westerns, and it takes more to set me off or trip my trigger.

[Daniel D.]

Dangerous video, lol. Nothing to get my knickers in a bunch over.

[Cecily Walker]

Two things:

1) When people in your community are routinely gunned down on a regular basis and those who perpetrate the violence get away with it, videos like this cease to be funny; and
2) Impact is greater than intent.

[Rod Holland]

As might have been expected, the comment chain on that video is pretty bad. Lots of bike-hating, enhanced by wishful thinking about imitating the video.

rod

[Justin August]

Cecily is speaking truth here.

-Justin

[masmojo]

By and large I doubt seriously if the people who are gunning people down in my community are RBW group readers or of an ilk that would be watching that video on YouTube. Even the type of people who would do that would recognize this as the farce that it is.
It concerns me more that people would watch this and NOT see the humor in it, because they probably don't see the humor in much of anything.

[Chris in Redding, Ca.]

Hey All,

I liken this to throwing water balloons into a crowd. In all likelihood nothing bad will happen. But it's possible...so do you throw the water balloon?

For me the video elicited a moderate PTSD experience. Fear, angst, and something akin to real pain with each shot. So I went and poured a cup of coffee a BOB sent me recently in exchange for a bike part. Good coffee, time to think it thru...and I sat back down to post. I just don't see any humor in senseless violence, or in violence more generally. I just don't. But I do make an allowance for Wile E. Coyote and the Road Runner. To each their own.

I know that I am the outlier...so I say throw the water balloon. 

Smooth tracks,

Chris

Redding, Ca.