Which are more puncture resistant? Supremes vs Pasela TGs
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Jay in Tel Aviv
Jan 30, 2012, 12:34:11 PM1/30/12
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Well, it's like this.
I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to
change flats to/from work.
When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of
Marathon Supremes.
Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat,
not a bad valve stem, a puncture.
Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work?
Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids'
bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and
ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet.
So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the
roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to
SMPs?
Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about
2000 km on it, 80 psi.
I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the
tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for
them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my
hand dirty.
Jay
I used to commute on an old (steel) MTB with SMPs to avoid having to
change flats to/from work.
When I got my Sam Hillborne this summer I treated myself to a set of
Marathon Supremes.
Riding home in the rain today I got a Puncture!!! Not a pinch flat,
not a bad valve stem, a puncture.
Unacceptable! What if I had been late for work?
Couldn't find the culprit so I washed and dried the tire in my kids'
bathtub (never done that before, seems like a good idea though) and
ended up mounting an almost new Pasela TG I had in the closet.
So, did I just get unlucky or are the Supremes not good enough for the
roads around here? Are Paselas any better or do I need to go back to
SMPs?
Vital stats - puncture was in the rear tire (where else?) with about
2000 km on it, 80 psi.
I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the
tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine for
them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my
hand dirty.
Jay
Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Jan 30, 2012, 12:52:17 PM1/30/12
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Aside from solid rubber, no tire is impervious to puncture. The marathon supreme is a nice balance between toughness/durability and weight/suppleness. Obviously some people want more toughness, while others want lighter/more supple rubber. The toughest tire I know of would be the Marathon Plus. Some of the Specialized Armadillo tires are known to be tough, also. It should be noted that no tire protects against rim-side punctures or tube defects.
Ryan Ray
Jan 30, 2012, 12:55:05 PM1/30/12
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"I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the
tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever."
tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever."
I do not appreciate the ride of Marathons at all. Pasela TGs ride great and I've only had one flat. I bet Supremes are still more puncture resistant though.
Jay in Tel Aviv
Jan 30, 2012, 12:55:54 PM1/30/12
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Thanks Jim.
This is the bike you originally built for Forrest.
Possibly the 1st Riv in Israel. Although a guy from warmshowers.com
showed up here on an MB4 the other day.
Jay
On Jan 30, 7:52 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:
This is the bike you originally built for Forrest.
Possibly the 1st Riv in Israel. Although a guy from warmshowers.com
showed up here on an MB4 the other day.
Jay
On Jan 30, 7:52 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
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dougP
Jan 30, 2012, 1:18:09 PM1/30/12
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My Atlantis came from Riv with Paselas but I don't know if they were
TG or not. I went to T-servs when the originals wore out, then to
Marathon Supreme. With each change I got fewer flats. With the MS, I
average about 1 flat over the life of a tire, & it's usually a wire
from a radial tire. The MS seem to last about double the life of the
original Paselas. Roads here are good and I tour with the Atlantis so
it sees a fair share of variety on road quality.
FWIW one of my touring buds has over 14,000 miles on a set of Marathon
Plus, and they look to have quite a bit of life left. He doesn't care
how a tire rides or what it weighs; only that it be puncture resistant
and last a long time. Don't know how many flats he's had I suspect
it's not many or he would have changed tires by now.
dougP
TG or not. I went to T-servs when the originals wore out, then to
Marathon Supreme. With each change I got fewer flats. With the MS, I
average about 1 flat over the life of a tire, & it's usually a wire
from a radial tire. The MS seem to last about double the life of the
original Paselas. Roads here are good and I tour with the Atlantis so
it sees a fair share of variety on road quality.
FWIW one of my touring buds has over 14,000 miles on a set of Marathon
Plus, and they look to have quite a bit of life left. He doesn't care
how a tire rides or what it weighs; only that it be puncture resistant
and last a long time. Don't know how many flats he's had I suspect
it's not many or he would have changed tires by now.
dougP
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Jan 30, 2012, 1:43:31 PM1/30/12
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I love Pasela TGs for they come in on the strength/ride/price
calculus. Can't be beat for that IMHO. Buuuut, they're definitely not
the most puncture resistant tire out there. I get about two punctures/
month with them, but I love the feel of them and put up with it.
Recreational riding, NOT commuting. They're really fast for a 35mm
tire. They have delicate side walls that start falling apart before
the tread, but that's what makes them zippy (or so I tell myself). And
$20 a piece is hard to argue with. Can't have it all.
I'm Collaborating with Doug P "The King of the Supremes" and will be
trying out some Marathon Supremes to see how they work for in a
little!
That said, no such thing as a puncture proof tire. You gotta' build 15
min or so into your schedule for contingencies...
calculus. Can't be beat for that IMHO. Buuuut, they're definitely not
the most puncture resistant tire out there. I get about two punctures/
month with them, but I love the feel of them and put up with it.
Recreational riding, NOT commuting. They're really fast for a 35mm
tire. They have delicate side walls that start falling apart before
the tread, but that's what makes them zippy (or so I tell myself). And
$20 a piece is hard to argue with. Can't have it all.
I'm Collaborating with Doug P "The King of the Supremes" and will be
trying out some Marathon Supremes to see how they work for in a
little!
That said, no such thing as a puncture proof tire. You gotta' build 15
min or so into your schedule for contingencies...
PATRICK MOORE
Jan 30, 2012, 2:28:08 PM1/30/12
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That's odd; I found the 32 mm P TGs that came on my Herse rather doggy
compared to the non-TGs. But I found Schwalbe Kojaks (559X1.35) to be
far more puncture resistant than the regular P's (559X1.25) and even
better rolling. Am trying to find a pair of the 622X35 mm Kojaks for
the Fargo, now. Of course, $55 versus $20 ...
compared to the non-TGs. But I found Schwalbe Kojaks (559X1.35) to be
far more puncture resistant than the regular P's (559X1.25) and even
better rolling. Am trying to find a pair of the 622X35 mm Kojaks for
the Fargo, now. Of course, $55 versus $20 ...
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Jan 30, 2012, 2:43:56 PM1/30/12
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I can't perceive any difference between the TGs and non-TGs. They
"feel" the same to me, so the Kevlar bead and potential extra
protection win out!
On Jan 30, 11:28 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's odd; I found the 32 mm P TGs that came on my Herse rather doggy
> compared to the non-TGs. But I found Schwalbe Kojaks (559X1.35) to be
> far more puncture resistant than the regular P's (559X1.25) and even
> better rolling. Am trying to find a pair of the 622X35 mm Kojaks for
> the Fargo, now. Of course, $55 versus $20 ...
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 11:43 AM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
> > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
"feel" the same to me, so the Kevlar bead and potential extra
protection win out!
On Jan 30, 11:28 am, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That's odd; I found the 32 mm P TGs that came on my Herse rather doggy
> compared to the non-TGs. But I found Schwalbe Kojaks (559X1.35) to be
> far more puncture resistant than the regular P's (559X1.25) and even
> better rolling. Am trying to find a pair of the 622X35 mm Kojaks for
> the Fargo, now. Of course, $55 versus $20 ...
>
PATRICK MOORE
Jan 30, 2012, 5:32:10 PM1/30/12
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Speaking of the "P word," I've got a pair of used but still good (but
see below) TGs 32s that I want to get rid of; cash -- make offer;
trades: reading stuff; rear blinkies; front blinkies or small AAA
(note: "triple A" and not AA) headlights; tubes for 622X60 mm tires
(presta); ditto for 622X35 (28s fit fine); blah blah blah.
see below) TGs 32s that I want to get rid of; cash -- make offer;
trades: reading stuff; rear blinkies; front blinkies or small AAA
(note: "triple A" and not AA) headlights; tubes for 622X60 mm tires
(presta); ditto for 622X35 (28s fit fine); blah blah blah.
** One PTG has a slight casing defect that has been booted: the spot
is about 5mm square. The present, fabric boot does not quite prevent a
small bulge, but a stiffer or thicker boot would do that. OTOH, the
deal includes 1 new, folding Michelin Axial Sport that looks very
similar to the Paselas in tread and sidewall and, again, is new and is
folding. Also can toss in 2 well used Spec Turbo 559X23 mms for your
56 cm or smaller Atlantis. (Juuuuust kidding.)
Patrick Moore, who just ordered a pair of 622X35 Kojaks for his Fargo
in ABQ, NM.
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Darin G.
Jan 30, 2012, 8:37:52 PM1/30/12
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The Jack Brown blues on my Sam have about 2800 miles on them with one
puncture--a finishing nail. Zero punctures from goat heads (which are
numerous around here), glass, radial tire debris, etc. The JB Blue
would be my first choice for a commuting tire.
On Jan 30, 3:32 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of the "P word," I've got a pair of used but still good (but
> see below) TGs 32s that I want to get rid of; cash -- make offer;
> trades: reading stuff; rear blinkies; front blinkies or small AAA
> (note: "triple A" and not AA) headlights; tubes for 622X60 mm tires
> (presta); ditto for 622X35 (28s fit fine); blah blah blah.
>
> ** One PTG has a slight casing defect that has been booted: the spot
> is about 5mm square. The present, fabric boot does not quite prevent a
> small bulge, but a stiffer or thicker boot would do that. OTOH, the
> deal includes 1 new, folding Michelin Axial Sport that looks very
> similar to the Paselas in tread and sidewall and, again, is new and is
> folding. Also can toss in 2 well used Spec Turbo 559X23 mms for your
> 56 cm or smaller Atlantis. (Juuuuust kidding.)
>
> Patrick Moore, who just ordered a pair of 622X35 Kojaks for his Fargo
> in ABQ, NM.
>
> On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:43 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com
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puncture--a finishing nail. Zero punctures from goat heads (which are
numerous around here), glass, radial tire debris, etc. The JB Blue
would be my first choice for a commuting tire.
On Jan 30, 3:32 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Speaking of the "P word," I've got a pair of used but still good (but
> see below) TGs 32s that I want to get rid of; cash -- make offer;
> trades: reading stuff; rear blinkies; front blinkies or small AAA
> (note: "triple A" and not AA) headlights; tubes for 622X60 mm tires
> (presta); ditto for 622X35 (28s fit fine); blah blah blah.
>
> ** One PTG has a slight casing defect that has been booted: the spot
> is about 5mm square. The present, fabric boot does not quite prevent a
> small bulge, but a stiffer or thicker boot would do that. OTOH, the
> deal includes 1 new, folding Michelin Axial Sport that looks very
> similar to the Paselas in tread and sidewall and, again, is new and is
> folding. Also can toss in 2 well used Spec Turbo 559X23 mms for your
> 56 cm or smaller Atlantis. (Juuuuust kidding.)
>
> Patrick Moore, who just ordered a pair of 622X35 Kojaks for his Fargo
> in ABQ, NM.
>
> 24KViewDownload
Bill M.
Jan 30, 2012, 8:54:55 PM1/30/12
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We are talking 700c here, right? My commuting choice is the Vittoria
Randoneur Pro. I find it rolls decently, and gets fewer flats than a
Pasela. Fewer even that the 650b Marathons I used for a while.
Cheaper than a Schwalbe, too.
If you really can't afford a flat, consider using Foss tubes, or tubes
filled with a sealant, or just use Marathon Plusses and deal with the
weight.
Bill
Randoneur Pro. I find it rolls decently, and gets fewer flats than a
Pasela. Fewer even that the 650b Marathons I used for a while.
Cheaper than a Schwalbe, too.
If you really can't afford a flat, consider using Foss tubes, or tubes
filled with a sealant, or just use Marathon Plusses and deal with the
weight.
Bill
charlie
Jan 30, 2012, 9:00:52 PM1/30/12
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I like my Marathon Supremes 700x40 (38mm) but put on my older standard
marathon 700x47's (41mm actual) for the winter.....because of their
thick sidewalls. Never had a flat with the Supremes and they are
pretty light and fast rolling for a 38mm wide tire. I've ridden Urban
Max 700x32, Pasela TG 700x32 and standard Pasela blackwalls 700x35 and
also the Ribmo in 700x35 (32 actual) the Ribmo is a tough tire similar
to the Supremes but a little heavier. If you want no Flats dry the
Marathon Plus or the new Greenguard Marathon I think those are as good
as you can get. Maybe the cool new blue tubes Grant sells would be
helpful also.
marathon 700x47's (41mm actual) for the winter.....because of their
thick sidewalls. Never had a flat with the Supremes and they are
pretty light and fast rolling for a 38mm wide tire. I've ridden Urban
Max 700x32, Pasela TG 700x32 and standard Pasela blackwalls 700x35 and
also the Ribmo in 700x35 (32 actual) the Ribmo is a tough tire similar
to the Supremes but a little heavier. If you want no Flats dry the
Marathon Plus or the new Greenguard Marathon I think those are as good
as you can get. Maybe the cool new blue tubes Grant sells would be
helpful also.
cyclotourist
Jan 30, 2012, 9:06:54 PM1/30/12
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Yeah, the JB blues might be a good option. I have some greens but no
miles on them to evaluate... need to work on that!
miles on them to evaluate... need to work on that!
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On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 6:06 PM, cyclotourist <cyclot...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah, the JB blues might be a good option. I have some greens but no
miles on them to evaluate... need to work on that!
My JBB's make the coolest sound when they roll over broken glass at 85 psi.
- Andrew, Berkeley
Ryan Ray
Jan 31, 2012, 10:19:18 AM1/31/12
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Vittoria Randoneur Pro. The only tire I disliked riding on more than Marathons.
Nearly impossible to puncture, nearly as impossible to mount. Iv'e talked to others who agree the only flat you'll get with a Vittoria Randoneur are pinch flats trying to get the damn things on or off.
robert zeidler
Jan 31, 2012, 10:53:09 AM1/31/12
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+1. They wear like iron and ride that way too!
On Tuesday, January 31, 2012, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vittoria Randoneur Pro. The only tire I disliked riding on more than Marathons.
> Nearly impossible to puncture, nearly as impossible to mount. Iv'e talked to others who agree the only flat you'll get with a Vittoria Randoneur are pinch flats trying to get the damn things on or off.
>
On Tuesday, January 31, 2012, Ryan Ray <ryan...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vittoria Randoneur Pro. The only tire I disliked riding on more than Marathons.
> Nearly impossible to puncture, nearly as impossible to mount. Iv'e talked to others who agree the only flat you'll get with a Vittoria Randoneur are pinch flats trying to get the damn things on or off.
>
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Dan Abelson
Jan 31, 2012, 1:15:28 PM1/31/12
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I had the vittorias and did not like the ride either. I actually had flats including a blown sidewall
Dan Abelson
Bill M.
Jan 31, 2012, 11:16:11 PM1/31/12
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Wasn't freedom from flats exactly what the OP was looking for?
"I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the
tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine
for
them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my
hand dirty."
FWIW, I have no problems mounting the Rando Pros, and have never pinch
flatted one. I don't expect a flat resistant, 460 gm tire to ride
like an Open CX, but I think the Rando Pros ride just fine for a
sturdy touring or commuting tire a la Marathon.
The Rando Hypers are lighter, faster, and still seem relatively flat
resistant. They might be a better comparison to a JB.
Bill
"I know some people are willing to accept the occasional flat if the
tires offers exceptional comfort or speed or whatever. That's fine
for
them, I just want to get to work and home again without getting my
hand dirty."
flatted one. I don't expect a flat resistant, 460 gm tire to ride
like an Open CX, but I think the Rando Pros ride just fine for a
sturdy touring or commuting tire a la Marathon.
The Rando Hypers are lighter, faster, and still seem relatively flat
resistant. They might be a better comparison to a JB.
Bill
Ryan Ray
Feb 1, 2012, 1:54:51 PM2/1/12
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Don't take offense! I didn't mean any. If flats are the concern then yes the Rando Pros will do that for you. Specially if you don't have clearance for marathons. I think I rode 28s. I ride 32 Pasela TGs now and probably won't try another tire ever. I am going to get FOSS tubes eventually and that combo should do the trick.
- Ryan
Bill M.
Feb 1, 2012, 10:17:59 PM2/1/12
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Not offended, just don't want some nice tires to be buried by a couple
of negative comments.
Bill
of negative comments.
Bill
Mike On A Bike
Jan 30, 2012, 11:56:44 PM1/30/12
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I have 35mm Mara Supremes on my Quickbeam and will be getting 40's on
my Sam Hillborne (next week!). I've ridden probably 5,000 miles on the
Maras after wearing out the Jack Browns the Quickbeam came with, and I
must say they have a great feel and very good durability. I've gotten
holes in two because of nails, and I just damaged a third as my
stainless fender came undone and ripped it up some. When subjected to
normal use they are more than reliable, have a long tread life, and
have a really fun, light feel.
I may be going to Marathon's w/ greenguard on the QB rather than
repairing my Maras. Rode those a while on a geared bike and really
enjoyed them. I think the 32 beats the Pasela mightily in quality.They
list as heavy but they don't feel it, and with the the 7-10k mile life
Riv estimates and @ $42 each, they're a real deal for a high mileage
commuter.
On Jan 30, 9:06 pm, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, the JB blues might be a good option. I have some greens but no
> miles on them to evaluate... need to work on that!
>
my Sam Hillborne (next week!). I've ridden probably 5,000 miles on the
Maras after wearing out the Jack Browns the Quickbeam came with, and I
must say they have a great feel and very good durability. I've gotten
holes in two because of nails, and I just damaged a third as my
stainless fender came undone and ripped it up some. When subjected to
normal use they are more than reliable, have a long tread life, and
have a really fun, light feel.
I may be going to Marathon's w/ greenguard on the QB rather than
repairing my Maras. Rode those a while on a geared bike and really
enjoyed them. I think the 32 beats the Pasela mightily in quality.They
list as heavy but they don't feel it, and with the the 7-10k mile life
Riv estimates and @ $42 each, they're a real deal for a high mileage
commuter.
On Jan 30, 9:06 pm, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah, the JB blues might be a good option. I have some greens but no
> miles on them to evaluate... need to work on that!
>
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