Re: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

[Scott Henry]

What bolts or specs are you looking for? 

The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug).  And that a stretch.  All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part.

 

Scott

Dayton, OH

 

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

 

I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs?

Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?

 

Thanks for any info.

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[jimD]

"We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?

Back in the day, I had  a Bultaco motorcycle. The bike had a poorly translated (from the original Spanish) owner's manual.

The manual offered some guidance on tightening fasteners. It went something like: 

"It is important not to enter into a contest of wills with the nuts and bolts"!

Ever since,  this has been my mantra.

-JimD

[Seth Vidal]

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque
> specs?
> Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking
> specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?
>
> Thanks for any info.
>

Depends on which components you have and what specs you need.

I tighten a lot of things with a torgue wrench. I love having it around.

tell us what you're looking for. If you want to - call riv and ask
them - they are very good about giving answers.

-sv

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

On at least one of the sets of instructions I have received with various Nitto rack products it says:

 

"Use good judgment."

 

Yours,

Thomas Lynn Skean

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Rolls Royce suggests enlisting the help of an experienced RR mechanic to demonstrate proper torque.

I don't know many pro mechanics who use torque wrenches or fret over torque specs, except on CF stuff. For the most part "mechanic's hand" is just fine. If you lack mechanic's hand, hopefully you know it by now. A torque wrench may be a worthwhile investment...or maybe it's more advisable to just find a good mechanic. A man has to know his limitations.

[Seth Vidal]

'a mechanics hand' can come through experience - or as another option
it could just be a function of strength and guessing. I've noticed
I've gotten better at estimating torque for things I do repeatedly so
that when I go to test with the torque wrench there is very little
movement necessary. However, I like tools which take the 'magical
intuition and guessing' out of the game.

Additionally, I have found that seeking out a good mechanic is next to
impossible. During conversation w/a mechanic and w/o encountering some
sort of failure of some kind from their work - I've found that
distinguishing a good mechanic from a passable mechanic is next to
impossible.

I'd rather learn to do it for myself or get a tool to help me do it
myself than guess as to whether or not the money I just paid someone
was for good, reliable work or was just for the fun of throwing my
money away.

-sv

[ANDREW LETTON]

From the Riv website, here is what Nitto recommends:

http://www.rivbike.com/kb_results.asp?ID=65

HTH,
Andrew

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From: lungimsam <john1...@gmail.com>
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, June 26, 2012 8:22:37 PM
Subject: [RBW] Torque specs for Rivendell bikes?

Hello,

 

I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs?

Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?

 

Thanks for any info.

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[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Some people should not work on their own bikes. This is not an insult, just something that I've observed over a number of years fixing massive DIY f-ups. That said, as a mechanical object, the bicycle is quite approachable for an amateur wrench, so for a person who has the aptitude and inclination and tools, I say have at it. I believe there are lots of fine bike mechanics in any large-ish city. There are also lots of shops that employ inexperienced mechanics in the busy season. It can be a trick to find the mech who's compatible with our bikes and personalities.

As a parallel to the above: I have learned over the years that I should not do home improvement/repair projects. MUCH easier and cheaper and faster and better to find an experienced person to do it for me.

[James Warren]

I love working on my own bike, but we have such a good mechanic at the local bike shop that I will bring it to him, because I like supporting him. (That combined with being overwhelmed in my personal or work life.)

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On Jun 27, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thil...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Some people should not work on their own bikes. This is not an insult, just something that I've observed over a number of years fixing massive DIY f-ups. That said, as a mechanical object, the bicycle is quite approachable for an amateur wrench, so for a person who has the aptitude and inclination and tools, I say have at it. I believe there are lots of fine bike mechanics in any large-ish city. There are also lots of shops that employ inexperienced mechanics in the busy season. It can be a trick to find the mech who's compatible with our bikes and personalities.
>
> As a parallel to the above: I have learned over the years that I should not do home improvement/repair projects. MUCH easier and cheaper and faster and better to find an experienced person to do it for me.
>

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[William]

I accidentally tightened the water bottle bolts a little too much, and it made the water taste funny.

KIDDING!!!

On Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:34:47 AM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:

What bolts or specs are you looking for? 

The only thing that could possibly come from a frame manufacturer would be a seat post binder bolt (and thats only for a threaded seat lug).  And that a stretch.  All other specs would be from the component manufacturer and should be on the specific instruction sheet with each part.

 

Scott

Dayton, OH

 

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 10:05 PM, lungimsam <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

 

I was wondering if Rivendell lugged steel frames and bolts have torque specs?

Or, if the frames could speak, would they say: "We don't need no stinking specs. Just tighten it 'til it smokes!"?

 

Thanks for any info.

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[Peter Morgano]

Dont forget to x-ray your frame for damage from over-torquing the bolts. :)

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[jimD]

My 'mechanic's hand' was doing good, I was a man who knew his limitations.
All was well until I started going to the gym. Now I'm breaking things.
-JImD

[Cyclofiend]

On Jun 27, 2012, at 6:58 AM, jimD wrote:

"It is important not to enter into a contest of wills with the nuts and bolts"!

Now THAT would be an ideal entry for the next RBW t-shirt contest!

- Jim "If you argue with a nut, sometimes it's hard to tell the difference..."