New Atlantis Pre-sale page is up on rivbike.com

[Bill Lindsay]

Now you can put your money down on a new Atlantis:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-new-atlantis

Happy shopping!

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

[Chris Birkenmaier]

If I didn't already have a Joe A that I dearly love, I would be very tempted.

[Joe Bernard]

I'd like see them add some pics as a dropbar "gravel grinder", as the shorter toptube seems to be the main differentiator from Appaloosa now. Maybe Mark can slap one of those newfangled SRAM 1x groups on one.

[Minh]

my memory may be off but is the sizing markedly different from the old atlantis?  

[dougP]

I have an Atlantis that I dearly love and I still find this to be exciting.  Also, good to see the 47 cm is back.  My wife absolutely loves hers but could not ride anything larger, and there are many people in her size range. 

dougP

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am still looking over the geometry but the sloping top tube probably makes it look even more different than it really is.

That said, the sizing came out different than I expected (not a bad/good thing...).

For instance, I would fit a 61cm (Waterford) Atlantis, 59cm TT (eff), 700c wheels, standover 85.1cm

On a new MIT Atlantis, the equivalent (TT anyway) would seem to be:  56cm frame, 59cm TT (eff), 650B wheels, standover 83.5cm

Both bikes max at 55mm?

Anyway, interesting!  I bet it will be a great bike but I will be studying the geometry more just to learn...  Also, the numbers I am looking at are from the Riv geometry charts and not personally known or verified.

Bob Lovejoy

Galesburg, IL

[iamkeith]

RE Geometry:  

I haven't delved into the details too deeply yet, but  speaking personally as one who long wanted but never quite fit one of the old Atlanti sizes - nor most of the more recent 6 degree models - these appear to be just different enough!  I'd have adequate stand over clearance on the 56 - comparable to the old 58 - but also an adequate top tube length, comparable to the old 61.  Combined with the new, progressive geometry that makes it unique compared to anything else I own, I don't think I could ask for more of a reason to get one.  

BTW, maybe someone from Riv can confirm but, from recent conversations and research I've gathered that the standover height listings are based on the absolute fattest, knobbiest tire that can be squeezed into the frame.  That's exactly how I'd use it so it's nice to know for me, but there might be even more flexibility for most people.

RE Pre-Sale:

Anybody know the details of how this will work?  Is there a limited timeframe, limited number of each size available, etc.?   I want to do it but I have to wait for some clients to pay their invoices.   On the other hand, I won't be able to afford wheels for quite a while, so the main motivator is taking advantage of a discount and giving Riv some cash flow.   How much of a discount do we suppose there is?  If I recall, the pre-sale discounts on the Joe completes were pretty sizeable, but those on frames aren't typically as big.   Mostly I don't want to worry about pulling it together in time if it's going to be a stress inducer.

 

[iamkeith]

So have any locals, who have been able to see and ride the sample, looked at the bottom bracket and are you able to describe it better?   I'm still wondering what "combination tigged / fillet brazed" means.  That's the only unknown detail that gives me any pause whatsoever.

[Joe Bernard]

Keith: The details are still being uploaded so you probably haven't seen this yet. The pre-sale price is $100 off and looks to be a thing until the frames start landing in May.

[iamkeith]

Ah, thanks.  And "a limited number" appears to be about 9 or 10 of a size.  "Elude" should be "allude," of course.

[Jonathan D.]

It looks great. I hope I get to test ride it and compare to the Appaloosa. A shorter top tube would be great with my build.

[Austin B.]

Nice to see they're reusing the ball-and-socket seat lug from the Roadini. And I got a nice chuckle from the photo on the website that shows a bottle cage mounted to the back of the seat tube facing rear tire! Brilliant!

I really like what RBW is doing these days. I hope this one is a home run for them.

Austin

Sykesville, MD

[iamkeith]

Joe, why do you say the top tubes are shorter than on the appaloosa? I guess I'm not seeing that unless you mean they will "feel" shorter if you raise the handlebars, because the head tube is a half or whole degree more slack?

What I'm seeing is that these look like they might have been intentionally sized to fit BETWEEN the appaloosa sizes. That alone would be more than reason enough to keep both models, in my book.

Based on ETTs, we now have sizes of:

54, (54.5), 55.5, (56.5), 57.5, (58.3), 59, (59.7), 62, (62.5), 63.5

[Abcyclehank]

@iamkeith and others. One of the pics for the “new” Atlantis shows the braised filet bottom bracket area it appears to me. Would not be a deal breaker for me; but then again I have a 99.5 PBH and have/had (it’s complicated) a 68cm “Old” Atlantis.

Ryan “ready for spring” Hankinson
West Michigan

[Joe Bernard]

Keith: My entirely unscientific calculation is based on the 53 Atlantis having the same ETT as my old 51 Appaloosa. Of course as you allude, this computation of ST-to-TT sizing only works if both bikes are offered in the same ST sizes. They're not so your summation is the correct one, and I don't bloody know what I'm talking about!

I still want to see an Analog Cycles dropbar gravel bike version with the single front chainring and pie-plate cassette, I think it would be cool on an Atlantis. Like this!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ohoCnLpvS80guXseefHWaKd4jdI1BhXw/view?usp=drivesdk

[Surlyprof]

When asked in another thread what do we wish Rivendell offered that they don't currently offer, I wrote "a 650b Appaloosa".  This looks as close as I'll get and probably even better.

Time to start negotiating with the wife!

John

[scott minor]

I’d love to see what the double TT models look like (59, 62). Is there a photo or drawing out there anywhere?

[David Hays]

Like I need another bicycle…Do these come with the headset like my Homer did?

David

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[Joe Bernard]

All Riv frames are F/F/HS.

[tc]

Buy one and build it!  Come on, Joe, you knocked that Chev outta the park, now show us how the Longboard should be built up!

Tom

On Saturday, April 7, 2018 at 2:17:18 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

...I still want to see an Analog Cycles dropbar gravel bike version with the single front chainring and pie-plate cassette...

[dougP]

"Be the first one on your block...." or perhaps "...first one on your blog...."

dougP

[Dave Small]

Hi all.  I've been out of town and mostly offline for 4 days and am catching up.  I've looked through this string and read the new postings on Riv's site, and don't see PBH recommendations for the new Atlantis.  Has Riv posted them anywhere?  Thanks.  

[Joe Bernard]

Not gonna happen, TC. I just bought that Crust from James and Candice so I'm in deep on the credit card for a while ;-)

[Dave Johnston]

per Riv on the expanded (aka 6 deg sloping top tube) frames:
"PBH minus 29 to 32 is good"
info at the very bottom of this page:
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/pubic-bone-height-how-to-measure-your-pbh

or you can look at the Appaloosa in this chart and extrapolate:
https://www.rivbike.com/pages/choosing-a-frame-size
or subtract 2-3cm from the old Atlantis sizing.

-Dave J

[iamkeith]

I think I've even seen something that says a frame size as much as "4 cm less than than would fit on the old 2.5 degree models" is ideal. I'm going to be offline for a bit and unable to corroborate that with a reference though.

In the meantime, standover heights for the new atlanti ARE listed, even if the the pbh heights aren't.

[Dave Small]

Thanks, Dave and iamkeith.  I'll do some cipherin' and figure out what I would need.  

[Matt Beecher]

Just email them...or hope Grant reads this post. If that 55 fits me (PBH 87), I’ll finally get my 650B new Atlantis to go with my Atlantis Classic.

That said, I emailed them on Friday and I’m eagerly awaiting their response.

Matt B
Oswego, IL

[David Johnston]

As Keith points out standover heights are listed so you can also do
PBH - 2.54 = standover as a starting point. That is to say the
Standover should be 1in less than PBH (1 in crotch clearance in bare
feet).

You can fudge 1 cm larger since you are wearing shoes which lifts you
up, and 3cm maybe 4cm smaller on the 6deg frames. For skinny tires and
road use go for the bigger end and for the fattest tires and off road
use lean smaller. Bigger bikes ride more stable / smoother, may have
less toe overlap (depends on tire size), and it's easier to get the
bars higher so can be more comfortable as well.

Ignore the actual frame size in cm, since it doesn't correlate to
non-Riv sizing, classic Riv bikes, or anything you rode in the 70's.
Unless of course you rode a bike way to small in the 70's & 80's like
many people did in which case it might be the same.

If I'm between sizes I also take top tube length into account when
using drops, but it doesn't matter much at all for sweep back bars.

-Dave

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[ctifusion]

Is there info on exact tire sizes for the different sizes? I'm between the 59 and 62. I like fat tires so I think I'm comfortable with the 59 which is exciting as the recent sizing has not made me feel like there was a bike out there that'd really fit. I'd prefer that they did fat 650b all the way up the sizes but if I'm in the market for anything it's a fast-ish all-road drop bar bike. Double top tube in the original Altantis color? COOL!

This is the most excited I've been about a new Riv in a while. Anyone interested in a 59cm 2004 Quickbeam??  

Brynnar

Indy

[Dave Small]

Hi Dave,

That's what I do, too.  My PBH is 88cm.  Extrapolating from the Appaloosa:  Based on predicted standover height I might take a 59cm, but then the TT would probably be too long and it would have a double TT, which I don't want.  The standover on a 56cm is a little lower than I have with most Rivs, but the predicted TT would be in line with what I'm used to and know I like.  The key words in those 2 sentences are "predicted," "probably," and "might."  

I'll call Riv.  I don't want to base a sizing decision on speculation, and I've come to trust their opinion as much as---and sometimes even more than---my own.  

Dave

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:

As Keith points out standover heights are listed so you can also do
PBH - 2.54 = standover as a starting point. That is to say the
Standover should be 1in less than PBH (1 in crotch clearance in bare

feet).....

If I'm between sizes I also take top tube length into account when

using drops....

[Matt Beecher]

I’m a 87. I called riv, talked to Rich, then ordered the 56 upon their recommendation. I’ve already got an Atlantis and I’m excited to try it in 650B. I’ll likely keep both.

Matt B
Oswego, IL

[jandrews]

Similarly I called Riv Bike too to discuss sizing.  I would like to purchase a MIT Atlantis as a dedicated tourer and keep my SH in dirt mode.  

I was thinking I'd be somewhere between the new 56cm and the 59cm...but was told that I'd be on a 53cm!  My pbh is 84.5 and I find that very surprising.

I ride a 56cm SH and a 58cm Simpleone....both purchased new from Riv.

I was sort of holding out hope that I would be recommended a 59cm since I'm so invested in 700c...but no.

However, it does seem like I could be sized on a 55cm Appaloosa which runs 700c, so I could go that route and save $100 on the frame...if I really want to keep using 700c.

FYI, I know I fit (Barely) the previous gen. 58cm Atlantis (which is 700c)

Decisions decisions

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Oh, boy -- I'm so disappointed! I was looking forward to seeing the geometry on the 47cm frame size, hoping that it would be the same (or close!) as the current design and/or the Homer Hilson.

No luck -- the chart says the ETT is 54cm.  Way too long for someone 5'2" (at least, for a woman with a relatively standard woman's proportion between legs/torso/arms) and hoping to use drop bars. Even with the slack seat-tube angle, it just seems way too long.

Maybe they'll build one up with drop bars to try out one day in Walnut Creek someday. 

Elisabeth Sherwood

Washington, DC

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 3:53:02 PM UTC-4, dougP wrote:

I have an Atlantis that I dearly love and I still find this to be exciting.  Also, good to see the 47 cm is back.  My wife absolutely loves hers but could not ride anything larger, and there are many people in her size range. 

dougP

On Friday, April 6, 2018 at 12:34:00 PM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

If I didn't already have a Joe A that I dearly love, I would be very tempted.

[Lester Lammers]

I agree. It does not appear that these frames are intended for drop bars. I'd need a 53cm frame and the ETT is 57.5.

[Bill Lindsay]

I disagree with the assertion that the MIT Atlantis is not intended for drop bars. The 56 new Atlantis would be spot on perfect for me with drop bars and a 100mm extension stem. I look at lots of geo-charts and I’m usually bummed at how short top tubes are. So my hope and feeling is that there are plenty of options out there for folks who objectively know that they aren’t able to buy an Atlantis.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

[tc]

Yeah I think this is why PBH alone isn't sufficient to size a bike, unless it's a really wide range.  My wife and I are within an inch of each other's PBH, but her torso is markedly shorter than mine.  Also, her femurs comprise a larger % of her leg length than mine, affecting comfortable setback, affecting reach to the bars.  So while I can comfortably ride a 58 Sam with an 80mm stem and Noodles, she can't get a stem short enough to make Noodles work on a 58 (notwithstanding the Analog 'no-reach' stem, maybe).  Even if she could, she love her Albatross bars and upright position they offer.

I think a combo of PBH, plus a slightly modified version of Black Mountain Cycle's sizing method would fine tune sizing very well.  For those not aware, one of the dimensions BMC uses is the distance between the front tip of the saddle to the flats of the drop bar on a bike that fits you well.  See example here.  However, given short and long saddles (and some w/out a lot of fore/aft rail to play with), I would modify this dimension so that the measurement is from the center of the seat post (at the height you ride ... yeah, you'd have to remove your saddle) to the flats of the drop bar.

Of course call Riv in the end and explain your body dimensions and they will hook you up.

Tom

[Garth]

Tom, The standard measurement these days by more and more frame makers is called the reach, along with the stack. Riv has recently added these to their geometry chart and can reveal how deceptive TT alone can be, let alone any 1 certain measurement by itself.

All of the numbers are meant as a guide of course, as every body is unique, some more/less flexible and feel best in this or that position...not what someone else tells them is best for them.

There are many articles explaining it, here's one ...
https://velovoice.blogspot.com/2015/05/bike-sizing-stack-and-reach.html

[Bob Lovejoy]

Garth,

I am no expert, definitely still learning, but agree with you on stack and reach being very good indicators of fit.  The note that Tom posted was good info as well.

That said, have stack/reach measurements been posted for the MIT Atlantis?  I may have missed them.  They would be great to see though and could be compared against the other Riv models, as well as other frames.

Bob

[tc]

Garth, yep, I know stack and reach.  To my weird brain though, if I know PBH, and I also know the goofy  "[top-of-seatpost-at-comfy-height]__to__[center-of-bar-flats-at-comfy-stem-height]" measurement on a bike that I know fits me well, then I'm an instant away from seeing whether another bike can be configured to fit me well ... whether I have stork legs and t-rex arms, or stumpy legs and chimp arms.  I don't think you can say the same for PBH-only bike sizing.

If you take that latter goofy measurement on a bike that fits you well, and cut a piece of string to that length, then 'overlay' it on a bike you're thinking about getting, you'd be able to see in an instant whether you can get a stem with the right reach (and height) -- plus a saddle with enough adjustment in the rails for proper setback -- for the new bike to fit you just as well as your existing bike.  Assuming your PBH is also accommodated.

I know, weird, and likely overkill if you're in the middle of the PBH range. But there are many who are in between PBH ranges, and/or don't have 'normal' upper/lower torso ratios.

Tom

[Lester Lammers]

Howdy Bill,

I suppose it would depend on body type. My 55 cm Cheviot has a 57.5 cm ETT and I'd need a very short stem for drops. I'm still considering  the MIT 53cm, which has a 57.5 cm ETT, but without drop bars. I will call Riv and discuss.

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:26:51 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

[lconley]

I also need to check seat post size. If it is not 27.2 then I may need to look elsewhere if it doesn't have a long TT because I cannot use the lugged setback seatpost (I am of the stumpy legs and chimp arms variety). I honed the ID of my 27.0 ID seat tube Bombadil to about 27.1 so I could use the lugged seatpost.

I seem to remember many years ago, when the most important aspect of a saddle was it's weight, putting my elbow up to the seat tip and seeing where the end of the stem was to determine stem length - ideal was the longest finger reached the bars. These days - in order to be comfortable, it is way beyond that - not trying to fit on a racing bike anymore.

Laing

Cocoa, FL

[Bill Lindsay]

Hi Lester

You are confusing me.  You say you have a 55cm Cheviot with e 57.5cm ETT.  That's not what the current Geo-chart says.  Do you have a Cheviot that does not match the geo-chart?  Does your post have a typo?  According to the numbers on Rivbike.com, a 53cm MIT-Atlantis has a 2cm SHORTER effective top tube than a 55cm Cheviot.  In addition to that, a 53cm MIT-Atlantis has a 0.5 degree more laid back seat tube angle, which means that you will move the saddle ~5mm farther forward on your Atlantis than you did on your Cheviot.  That's 2.5cm (a full inch) shorter cockpit, so you should be good to go with drops.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

[David Johnston]

As far as I can tell if you rode an old 56cm Atlantis you would now be
on a MIT 53cm Atlantis and you would have essentially the same reach
(a mm or 2 less) and 5mm more stack and a cm more crotch clearance on
the MIT 53cm.

-Dave J

[Joe Bernard]

I get 59-ish ETT on my 55 Chev. 57.5 is the actual number for the not-really-a-toptube.

[Lester Lammers]

My mistake, old eyes, the ETT on the 55cm Cheviot is 59.5cm. Drops would certainly work.

[Lester Lammers]

I called Riv WHQ, and spoke with Will. I ended up ordering a 53 MIT. We discussed drop bars and he recommended non-drops and canti brakes for me on this frame on this frame. If you are confused as I was, call B4 ordering. It may  save disappointment. FWIW, the ST diameter is 26.8. 

[Bill Lindsay]

Congratulations.  I hope you love it. 

Bill

[Jonathan D.]

Someone in Portland Oregon needs to order a 53 so I can test ride and compare to a Joe Appaloosa.

[tc]

Lester, in your discussion with Will, did you guys talk about similarities to the Joe by chance, or were you focused on getting Atlantis sizing down?

Tom

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Lester,

What is your pbh that they recommend a 53 Atlantis?

Thanks,

Ed Fausto

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[William deRosset]

Dear Elisabeth,

This is why stack and reach sizing helps cut through the mess that sloping top tubes and variable setback creates.

I turn out to be a bone-stock 56 cm racing bike rider based on the CONI manual, but that ends up being a: 57, a 55, or a 53 in Grant Petersen machines depending on the model, somewhere around a 59 in French-fit rando machines.

It all works out to: 73 from the tip of my saddle to the top of the brake lever, 2" or so drop, and 73 saddle height with drop bars. Adjust for loop bars, add a pile of reach for mountain bike bars, and hope that nobody has cut the threadless steerer too short on non-gp machines.

By the way, GP bikes were traditionally built with ling top tubes and slack seat tubes, contrary to the long-leg and short torso design orthodoxy for women. Individual variation trumps generalization, but stack and reach will help demystify the effective geo of sloping bikes.

Or you can call in to the mothership. They won't steer you astray.

Best Regards,

Will
William M deRosset
Fort Collins CO USA

[Lester Lammers]

We did not discuss the JA. 

[Lester Lammers]

My pbh is 83 and according to Will I was between the 50 and 53. I went with the 53 because I wanted 650b wheels. The 50 would have been a better fit for me with drop bars but I'll use MTB bars on it. Since the new frame geos are a departure from the traditional I'd call Riv and discuss B4 ordering.

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 10:29:03 PM UTC-4, ed wrote:

Hi Lester,

What is your pbh that they recommend a 53 Atlantis?

Thanks,

Ed Fausto

On Wed, Apr 11, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Lester Lammers <lester....@gmail.com> wrote:

Howdy Bill,

I suppose it would depend on body type. My 55 cm Cheviot has a 57.5 cm ETT and I'd need a very short stem for drops. I'm still considering  the MIT 53cm, which has a 57.5 cm ETT, but without drop bars. I will call Riv and discuss.

On Tuesday, April 10, 2018 at 9:26:51 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

I disagree with the assertion that the MIT Atlantis is not intended for drop bars. The 56 new Atlantis would be spot on perfect for me with drop bars and a 100mm extension stem. I look at lots of geo-charts and I’m usually bummed at how short top tubes are. So my hope and feeling is that there are plenty of options out there for folks who objectively know that they aren’t able to buy an Atlantis.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca

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[David Johnston]

Lester,
If I recall the 51 Joe has a top tube 1.0 cm shorter than a 53
Atlantis, so that also might be better for drops.

I had an email conversation back and forth with Grant last year and he
was pushing hard to ditch the drops altogether, he doesn't see the
point of even using drops, especially if you are an older non-racer
type (like 40+)

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[Lester Lammers]

Dave,

I'm 66 and don't plan to use drops on this frame. I went with the 53 because I wanted 650b wheels. I used Noodles on my Bleriot ten or so years ago and liked them though I did not often use the hooks.  As the years pass and traffic increases, I now prefer to be more upright...but not 90 degrees. Golden Years...yeah right. :-)

You are correct on the 51 JA and drops. Ditto for the 50 MIT Atlantis.

Regards,

Les

[Elisabeth Sherwood]

Hi, William, and thanks so much for the response!

Unfortunately, I'm actually not mystified by bicycle geometry. :-)  I work in a bike shop and if I'm around always work with the shorter women who come in hoping to be fit on road bikes (and I've trained all the other staff and mechanics to understand the issues). I also have experience with other models of Rivendells -- between my boyfriend and me, we have three (one for me; two for the boyfriend).  We visit the SF Bay Area at least once a year to see family and always take a ride to visit Rivendell HQ.

Unfortunately, the new 47cm Atlantis frame -- if the ETT of 54cm is correct -- will not work for me (even with the nicely slack seat-tube angle) _if I would like to use drop bars_.  It's a lovely frame, and perhaps in 20 years or so I may prefer swept-back bars on a beautifully designed, somewhat-rough-stuff all-rounder, but not at this time.

It's unfortunate (for me and for similarly height-challenged women who could probably justify a $1,600 frame but who would have a harder time justifying a nearly $3,000 one!), but there are far great tragedies in the world!

Enjoying the list/forum, and always happy when I check in to read the updates. I wish Rivendell a long and prosperous future! All the best,

Elisabeth Sherwood

Washington, DC

[Eric]

Are there plans to have a triple water bottle mount bosses on the rear of the seattube?

[Joe Bernard]

Eric: I doubt it, that's just a bodge Roman did. He's the frame bag guy at Riv, he likes to fill spaces on the bike with carrying things. He's good at it!

[ctifusion]

Thanks to Dave I was able to order a 59 today (have fun with the QB!). Maybe a bit on the big side but after a conversation with one of the nice young fellows at the global headquarters we decided that it was the right one for me. I'm going to run those super wide Crust (666mm) drops on it at first. I think with a 5cm technomic or a short dirt drop I'll be able to get it pretty close to where they are on my 60cm Surly LHT (60.5 TT). With the Rat Trap Pass tires that bike has 1 cm shorter stand over height but I should get the bars much higher on the Riv.  If not I'm happy to ride albatross on anything. Going to build some wheels and do a parts bin/vintage build first and then decide on how to set it up. Anyone thinking 1X11 or is that too cool already?

They said they would send me a pic of the extra top tube, which he described as arching from the seat tube to the down tube (??). I figured it would be fun to wing it and put the money down sight unseen. I don't think there has been an extra tube on any Riv that I didn't like, so...

It's been 12 years since I bought a Riv and 5 since I put together anything serious. My wife noted that I have built three vintage bikes in the last year or two but those don't count!

brynnar

Indy

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 10:36:08 AM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:

Is there info on exact tire sizes for the different sizes? I'm between the 59 and 62. I like fat tires so I think I'm comfortable with the 59 which is exciting as the recent sizing has not made me feel like there was a bike out there that'd really fit. I'd prefer that they did fat 650b all the way up the sizes but if I'm in the market for anything it's a fast-ish all-road drop bar bike. Double top tube in the original Altantis color? COOL!

This is the most excited I've been about a new Riv in a while. Anyone interested in a 59cm 2004 Quickbeam??  

Brynnar

Indy

On Sunday, April 8, 2018 at 8:13:25 AM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:

As Keith points out standover heights are listed so you can also do
PBH - 2.54 = standover as a starting point. That is to say the
Standover should be 1in less than PBH (1 in crotch clearance in bare
feet).

You can fudge 1 cm larger since you are wearing shoes which lifts you
up, and 3cm maybe 4cm smaller on the 6deg frames. For skinny tires and
road use go for the bigger end and for the fattest tires and off road
use lean smaller. Bigger bikes ride more stable / smoother, may have
less toe overlap (depends on tire size), and it's easier to get the
bars higher so can be more comfortable as well.

Ignore the actual frame size in cm, since it doesn't correlate to
non-Riv sizing, classic Riv bikes, or anything you rode in the 70's.
Unless of course you rode a bike way to small in the 70's & 80's like
many people did in which case it might be the same.

If I'm between sizes I also take top tube length into account when
using drops, but it doesn't matter much at all for sweep back bars.

-Dave


On 4/8/18, Dave Small <smallvint...@mac.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Dave and iamkeith.  I'll do some cipherin' and figure out what I
> would need.

[Ash]

Catching up with the forum after a few days.  Oh man!  This is fabulous news!

I was not in the market for a bike.  I was thinking I won't be in the market for next 10 years.  

Oh my lovely Joe Appaloosa..  our friendship might be ending 9 years too soon.  

Ordered 50cm/26" that will likely (storage space issues) replace my green 51/650B Appaloosa.  

On Friday, 6 April 2018 12:24:37 UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

Now you can put your money down on a new Atlantis:

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/frame-new-atlantis

Happy shopping!

[Ash]

After some contemplation and a quick discussion with Riv world HQ folks, changed the Atlantis size to 47cm.

So going from 51cm/650b Appa to 47cm/26" Atlantis, my new dream bike!

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Ash,

Congratulations!

I am also considering getting one.

I am currently using an older 51 Atlantis with Albatross bars.

But I felt the cockpit too cramp even though I am using a 13cm Nitto stem.

Would you mind sharing your pbh?

Regards,

Ed

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[Ash]

Hi Ed,

My PHB is 81cm.  

Actually 50cm Atlantis would have worked just fine for me.  Ordered the smaller size with the hope that my wife (who's a bit shorter than me) will also rider the new bike occasionally.  

With 47cm Atlantis I think I'll also be moving to 13cm stem for my Bosco (with App I use 11cm)

Cheers,

Ash

[Ed Fausto]

Got it Ash, Thanks :-)

[Edwin W]

We have not yet seen what the two larger sizes will look like, but wasn't there a seat tube to downtube double top tube in there?

Inspiration could have come from this:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-French-bicycle-frame-La-Triomphante-path-racer-randonneur-fixie/183159497124?hash=item2aa52821a4:g:cYEAAOSwRHVamvxg

Got my double top tubes on my Appa 58,

Edwin

[iamkeith]

[ctifusion]

Vince sent me a picture of the 59 with the second top tube. It arcs (curved) from the seat tube to the down tube with each joining about three inches from either the top tube or head tube. Vince didn't seem to think it was super secret, but it is not a staged pic and there are no decals so maybe it's not one that Riv wanted circulated (I thought the Blug mentioned more pics to come soon). I'm happy to post it if people think that's okay. 

I think it looks cool, especially the fillet brazed joints, and it's definitely a new style from earlier double top tubes. I ordered mine prior to seeing it as that seemed to add to the fun of being involved in the pre-sale.

So, to post or not to post? 

Brynnar

Indianapolis

[Garth]

Well . . . It's not like the Sun will stop shining in all It's magnificence regardless of anyone's choices  :) 

[Joe Bernard]

We want the pic, we want the pic!

[dougP]

Joe:

I rec'd an Instagram from #rivbike today of a sketch.  yellowhausbicycles also.

dougP

[ctifusion]

59cm new Atlantis.

[James Warren]

Wow. That looks good. Is it my imagination, or does it go with the color as well?

-Jim W.

[Robert Barr]

Looks good Brynnar!

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[Christopher Wiggins]

Brynnar,

I've pre ordered these.  If you want a big 'un, let me know.

Chris

On Friday, April 20, 2018 at 1:10:51 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:

[John G.]

That’s easily my favorite double top tube design from Rivendell. Looks very classy!

[Clayton.sf]

looks awesome. one little detail I wish it had are 3 hole bottle bosses for an anything cage, but preordered anyway - a 59 a while back ;-).

Clayton Scott
ST, CA

[Richard Rios]

love it! best of 20s art deco meets best of 50s color scheme! wish they would do double top tubes on smaller sizes...

[Chris Birkenmaier]

EST double top tube yet!

[phil k]

Yeah nice and also a good design to reinforce the dt.

[Deacon Patrick]

First came the double top tube. Then the diagnitube. Now ... Rainbowtube!

With abandon,
Patrick

[iamkeith]

There was a bubba tube in there, too. New atlantis tube is nice, but the rosco bubbes were still the coolest ever. I do like "rainbow" though.

[Joe Bernard]

There's a new pic on the Blug of the swoopytube Atlantis. It kinda looks like an ANT Truss Bike with a sloping toptube.

[William R.]

Oh man... I like that so much! I can't deal. My wife's going to kill me...

Bill in Westchester, NY

[Lum Gim Fong]

Longboard Atlantis with top tube wave.