Multi-Speed Quickbeam

[Eric Norris]

I know that someone (perhaps more than one) on this list has put a
Sturmey Archer or similar hub on their QB. I'm looking for photos and
tips on how to do it (e.g. how to mount the shifter on drop bars and
the routing/attachment of the shift cable).

Thanks!

--Eric
campyo...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org

[JoelMatthews]

Eric:

I do not have a Quickbeam. But on a bike I am building with an Alfine
hub, I am going to try this little gadget at first:

http://jtekengineering.com/jtek_bar-end_shifter.htm

Visually it is less obtrusive than some of the other shifter mount
options. I cannot comment on how well it works as I have not set the
bike up yet.

On Sep 2, 11:46 am, Eric Norris <campyonly...@me.com> wrote:
> I know that someone (perhaps more than one) on this list has put a  
> Sturmey Archer or similar hub on their QB.  I'm looking for photos and  
> tips on how to do it (e.g. how to mount the shifter on drop bars and  
> the routing/attachment of the shift cable).
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Eric

> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org

[CycloFiend]

on 9/2/09 9:46 AM, Eric Norris at campyo...@me.com wrote:

>
> I know that someone (perhaps more than one) on this list has put a
> Sturmey Archer or similar hub on their QB. I'm looking for photos and
> tips on how to do it (e.g. how to mount the shifter on drop bars and
> the routing/attachment of the shift cable).

RR#37 Scan here -
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam

scroll down to "Brian Rigs his Quickbeam with a Sturmey-Archer Hub"

hope that helps,

- Jim

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[Larry Powers]

It's been done, search the archives you will find something I am sure.  As always I ask why.  Why take the perfect single speed bike and add gears to it? 
 
To each.........

Larry Powers
 
"just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip" - John Hiatt

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I just installed a Shimano Alfine 8 on an old bike with drops, and it works beautifully. Highly recommended. Harris Cyclery's site shows a number of ways to mount a shifter; the most elegant is a bar-end shifter made for the Alfine.

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[Doug Van Cleve]

Hey Eric,

It was written up in the 'Reader at some point.  No offense to that bike owner, but I didn't care for mounting the shifter on the stem quill.  The old British location for the shifter was below the right brake lever and rotated in a bit.  You could also mount it up top againt the sleeve/bulged section or even on the 26.0 section by using a longer bolt.  I would probably go for the old skool spot, but I haven't tried either myself.

P.S.  This is pretty cool, but more work:  http://www.geocities.com/cyqlist/redcay.html.

[Steve Wimberg]

Hi Eric,

I have a Surly Cross Check that Harris Cyclery set up using their "San
Jos8" package. It has a Shimano Nexus 8 rear hub. The shifter is
attached on the bar end with a bar end adaptor called a HubBub. The
cable is routed down the downtube and then across the chain stay and
held in place with zip ties.

Here are pictures:

http://picasaweb.google.com/swimberg/CrossCheck?feat=directlink

There is actually a "real" bar end shifter made by a company called
Jtek that is specifically made for the Nexus hubs. I am not sure
about Sturmey Archers. Here is a link to the page on the Harris site
that has a bunch of the hardware:

http://sheldonbrown.com/harris/shimano-nexus.html

Although I had the bike set up for me, I believe an important part of
the setup is determining the correct anti-rotation washer to get that
will match the angle of your dropouts. The washer will set the angle
of the part of the hub (called a cassette joint on the Nexus) that
receives the shifter cable. There is a pretty good diagram of this on
the Harris page linked to above.

I love my setup with the Nexus. I do everything from commuting to
centuries on it. However, I did just get a Rambouillet...

Steve

[Eric Norris]

Cool! I'm looking at an 8-speed Sturmey Archer hub, so this would be
perfect.

--Eric
campyo...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org

--Eric
campyo...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org

[Ray Shine]

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On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:21 AM, Larry Powers <lapow...@hotmail.com> wrote:

As always I ask why. Why take the perfect single speed bike and add gears to it?

To each.........

Larry Powers

"just when you think that you've been gyped the bearded lady comes and does a double back flip" - John Hiatt

Well, probably because the Quickbeam isn't really a single speed. It is a multiple speed delairerless bike.

> From: campyo...@me.com
> Subject: [RBW] Multi-Speed Quickbeam
> Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:46:09 -0700
> To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>
>

> I know that someone (perhaps more than one) on this list has put a
> Sturmey Archer or similar hub on their QB. I'm looking for photos and
> tips on how to do it (e.g. how to mount the shifter on drop bars and
> the routing/attachment of the shift cable).
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Eric

> campyo...@me.com
> www.campyonly.com
> www.wheelsnorth.org
>
>
>
>
>

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 10:36 -0700, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
> Hey Eric,
>
> It was written up in the 'Reader at some point. No offense to that
> bike owner, but I didn't care for mounting the shifter on the stem
> quill. The old British location for the shifter was below the right
> brake lever and rotated in a bit. You could also mount it up top
> againt the sleeve/bulged section or even on the 26.0 section by using
> a longer bolt. I would probably go for the old skool spot, but I
> haven't tried either myself.

I had a 3 speed with drop bars I commuted on during the 1st Gas Crisis.
I had the trigger mounted up against the sleeved section. It was great,
a nearly ideal location.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2009-09-02 at 13:21 -0400, Larry Powers wrote:
> It's been done, search the archives you will find something I am sure.
> As always I ask why. Why take the perfect single speed bike and add
> gears to it?

Why not? It already came with 4, it's just that the shifting was rather
primitive and inconvenient.

[Bill Connell]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Eric Norris<campyo...@me.com> wrote:
>
> I know that someone (perhaps more than one) on this list has put a
> Sturmey Archer or similar hub on their QB.  I'm looking for photos and
> tips on how to do it (e.g. how to mount the shifter on drop bars and
> the routing/attachment of the shift cable).

On a related note, it looks like the new Sturmey fixed S3X 3-speed hub
is moving ahead. Sturmey had Curt Ingless build 4 custom frames to
show off new parts, one of which will be a 3-speed fixed bike. Along
with it will be a new thumbshifter and bar-end shifter that they're
also showing downtube-mounted.

http://sunrace-sturmeyarcher.blogspot.com/search?q=s3x

--
Bill Connell
St. Paul, MN

[Andy.M]

If memory serves me, the QB rear spacing is 120mm, which I believe
eliminates most internal gear hubs. I think sram makes a 5 speed, but
the 8 speeds are too wide.

On Sep 2, 11:18�am, Eric Norris <campyonly...@me.com> wrote:
> Cool! �I'm looking at an 8-speed Sturmey Archer hub, so this would be �
> perfect.
>
> --Eric

> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org

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> On Sep 2, 2009, at 10:02 AM, JoelMatthews wrote:
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> > Eric:
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> > I do not have a Quickbeam. �But on a bike I am building with an Alfine
> > hub, I am going to try this little gadget at first:
>
> >http://jtekengineering.com/jtek_bar-end_shifter.htm
>
> > Visually it is less obtrusive than some of the other shifter mount
> > options. �I cannot comment on how well it works as I have not set the
> > bike up yet.
>
> > On Sep 2, 11:46 am, Eric Norris <campyonly...@me.com> wrote:
> >> I know that someone (perhaps more than one) on this list has put a
> >> Sturmey Archer or similar hub on their QB. �I'm looking for photos �
> >> and
> >> tips on how to do it (e.g. how to mount the shifter on drop bars and
> >> the routing/attachment of the shift cable).
>
> >> Thanks!
>
> >> --Eric
> >> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org
>
> --Eric

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[JoelMatthews]

> On a related note, it looks like the new Sturmey fixed S3X 3-speed hub
> is moving ahead. Sturmey had Curt Ingless build 4 custom frames to
> show off new parts, one of which will be a 3-speed fixed bike. Along
> with it will be a new thumbshifter and bar-end shifter that they're
> also showing downtube-mounted.

Curtis is making the Alfine equipped bike which will get Jtek
shifter. I asked. Unfortunately at this point in time that swell
down tube shifter only works with the three speeds. I imagine there
will be a downtube shifter for 8 speeds at some time or another. By
then, my bike will have been painted, etc. Maybe if I do not really
like the paint, later on I can return to Curtis for an upgrade.
On Sep 2, 3:19 pm, Bill Connell <bconn...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Eric Norris]

Sturmey Archer's 8-speed hub starts at 115mm and goes up from there
with spacers. It should fit the QB just fine.

--Eric
campyo...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
www.wheelsnorth.org

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

It could be cold set, presumably.

[Pete]

That J-Tek bar end shifter look really sweet:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/singularcycles/3334053384/in/set-72157608998598025/

Then there's the new STI-style Versa VRS-8 Road shifter for Shimano
Nexus and Alfine 8-speed gear hubs:
http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/07/30/review-versa-8-speed-road-shifter-for-shimano-internal-hub/
http://www.sussex.com.tw/versa.html
http://store.somafab.com/ve8alsh.html

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[David Estes]

Friend of mine shifts a Sturmey AW hub w/ a regular friction bar end shifter and lived to tell the tale.

DE

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[EricP]

I have a co-worker that has a similar setup (on a Protovelo,
actually). It will work with a 3 speed. But doubt it would work for
anything else.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Sep 3, 10:05 pm, David Estes <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Friend of mine shifts a Sturmey AW hub w/ a regular friction bar end shifter
> and lived to tell the tale.
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> DE
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> On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 8:58 AM, Pete <pedalling.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > That J-Tek bar end shifter look really sweet:
>

> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/singularcycles/3334053384/in/set-7215760...

>
> > Then there's the new STI-style Versa VRS-8 Road shifter for Shimano
> > Nexus and Alfine 8-speed gear hubs:
>

> >http://austinontwowheels.org/2009/07/30/review-versa-8-speed-road-shi...

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[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

At Hiawatha Cyclery, we have done some fairly extensive
experimentation with alternative shifting arrangements for IGHs,
mostly because we have had numerous requests to put gears on former
single speeds.

Before the EXCELLENT Jtek shifter came along, we ran a Shimano bar-end
shifter through a travel agent to make it work with an Alfine hub.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/2347659679/
By far, our most viewed flickr image. It mostly worked, but I never
thought it was solid enough to sell to a customer. It actually worked
really well (seemingly) in friction mode, but again, I didn't want to
chance selling it to someone who didn't understand that we were using
parts for purposes for which they were never intended

We have sold and installed quite a few of the Jtek Nexus/Alfine
shifters. The quality is top-notch, and Jay (i.e. Mr Jtek) has really
done his homework and worked out the kinks of making such a thing work
(the cable pull lengths for each shift are not uniform). Plus he's a
local guy to us in Mpls, which is nice. Now they're available through
QBP, which makes it easy to get them from your LBS.

For 3-speeds, friction shifting seems to work fine. A local 3-sp guru
insists that we will ruin hubs this way, but I know at least 3 high-
mile commuters that have been run this way for years with no trouble.

Someone recommended the SRAM 5sp. I think the hub is ok, but was never
impressed with the shifter made for it, and I've never tried any
homebrew shifters with that hub. It is true that the 8sp hubs will not
generally fit on a stock QB, but you could probably cold-set to 132 or
whatever is needed. I have no experience with the Sunrace-Sturmey 8sp
hubs, but the 3sp hubs are very nice. The drawback that comes to my
mind to the SA 8sp hub is that it takes a proprietary cog. The Shimano
8sp hubs take the same 3-spline pattern that has been available for
years for old Sturmey hubs. You can also roll your own by grinding out
some of the splines on a Shimano-compatible cassette cog.

On Sep 2, 11:46 am, Eric Norris <campyonly...@me.com> wrote:

> I know that someone (perhaps more than one) on this list has put a  
> Sturmey Archer or similar hub on their QB.  I'm looking for photos and  
> tips on how to do it (e.g. how to mount the shifter on drop bars and  
> the routing/attachment of the shift cable).
>
> Thanks!
>
> --Eric

> campyonly...@me.comwww.campyonly.comwww.wheelsnorth.org

[JoelMatthews]

> Before the EXCELLENT Jtek shifter came along, we ran a Shimano bar-end

> shifter through a travel agent to make it work with an Alfine hub.http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/2347659679/

> By far, our most viewed flickr image. It mostly worked, but I never
> thought it was solid enough to sell to a customer. It actually worked
> really well (seemingly) in friction mode, but again, I didn't want to
> chance selling it to someone who didn't understand that we were using
> parts for purposes for which they were never intended

Jim: As I say above, I am going with the JTek shifter on a Alfine
equipped custom Curtis Inglis is building for me.

I do not have a Rohloff bike but am curious whether Jay thinks it is
possible to make a shifter for the Speedhub. I have read good and bad
things about the Speedhub. For the most part, no one really likes the
bulky black twist shifter.

On Sep 4, 7:56 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:

> At Hiawatha Cyclery, we have done some fairly extensive
> experimentation with alternative shifting arrangements for IGHs,
> mostly because we have had numerous requests to put gears on former
> single speeds.
>
> Before the EXCELLENT Jtek shifter came along, we ran a Shimano bar-end

> shifter through a travel agent to make it work with an Alfine hub.http://www.flickr.com/photos/hiawathacyclery/2347659679/

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[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The Rohloff uses a completely different cable, actually 2 cables: sort
of a push/pull system. It wouldn't be easy to roll this complicated
mechanism into an elegant bar-end shifter.

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[R Gonet]

It is true that the 8sp hubs will not
> generally fit on a stock QB, but you could probably cold-set to 132 or
> whatever is needed.

Jim:

Would please explain what you mean by cold-set. Thanks.

Richard

[Ken Yokanovich]

I own a Rohloff, never have liked the shifting mechanism. Waiting for
promised October delivery on a Super-Commuter from a local frame
builder. He found another local machinist to make me a rotational
shifter that will mount to a "regular" shift lever boss. I gave the
verbal description "like a big ol' fashioned stereo knob" and this is
what I received:

http://tinyurl.com/m2yeos

One of the cool things about the Rohloff is that the entire shifting
mechanism is contained within the hub itself. It really doesn't
matter what or how you get the cable to pull the two different
directions, just so long as you can get the proper length to move.
Cable pull information on Rohloff per gear/total = 7.4mm/96.2mm

On Sep 4, 2:39 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thill....@gmail.com>
wrote:

[Bill Connell]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:08 PM, R Gonet<richar...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
>  It is true that the 8sp hubs will not
>> generally fit on a stock QB, but you could probably cold-set to 132 or
>> whatever is needed.
>
>

> Would please explain what you mean by cold-set.  Thanks.

Cold-setting is basically bending the metal w/o heating it, in this
case the rear triangle. It's the same thing the framebuilder does with
the initial alignment of the bike. Done carefully (and only with steel
frames), it's a safe method for changing the dropout spacing for using
a different OLD hub.

[Dustin Sharp]

As a drop-bar Rohloff rider myself, that sounds pretty intriguing. Where
exactly will you mount that on the handlebars?

I'm currently using the hubub adapter.

Dustin

> From: Ken Yokanovich <reflector...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
> Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:19:55 -0700 (PDT)
> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
> Subject: [RBW] Re: Multi-Speed Quickbeam
>
>

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bill Connell <bcon...@gmail.com> wrote:.

Cold-setting is basically bending the metal w/o heating it, 

More precisely, it means bending the metal beyond the shape or distance that you want, so that, when it (inevitably) springs back, it holds that shape or distance.

--
Patrick Moore
Albuquerque, NM
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[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The original poster on this thread noticed that the SA 8sp hub can be
easily run on any frame that is spaced between 115 and 135 mm, just by
adding and/or removing axle spacers. Brilliant!

On Sep 4, 6:19 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:33 PM, Bill Connell <bconn...@gmail.com> wrote:.

>
> > Cold-setting is basically bending the metal w/o heating it,
>
> More precisely, it means bending the metal beyond the shape or distance that
> you want, so that, when it (inevitably) springs back, it holds that shape or
> distance.
>
> --
> Patrick Moore
> Albuquerque, NM

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