Compass Antelope Pass 700 x 55: the fat tire arms race continues

[Neil Doran]

Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/

I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.

I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only cost me a small fortune to find out.

[Belopsky]

I wouldn't bother with side pulls and tires this big, but that's just me.

I do want to see what bikes will run these. I could see converting a 29er to run these as a 'go-fast-er' bike

[Bob Lovejoy]

Not that I need to find out... but these should fit an un-fendered Appaloosa, correct?   Someone please try these and post pictures!

Bob

Galesburg, IL

[Rod Holland]

What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its 700c LHT brother. 

rod

[Belopsky]

I am not sure which but 29er bikes right? So yeah, Karate Monkey or anything else. 

If one were to have any interest in converting a trail bike to this, it'd work.

would be silly on my Santa Cruz Chameleon but this was my old Salsa el Mar..

https://i.imgur.com/IwzKWOs.jpg

[Rod Holland]

Looks like the Riv line does have some bikes that would fit these, starting with the larger Clems... Trying to suppress fantasies of a mutant custom Roadeo with really big paws...

rod

[Belopsky]

Roadeo won't be what it is with tires like this you'd have to change geometry which would mean it's a completely different bike

[Patrick Moore]

Very interesting; odd how a company specializing in rando equipment seems to have some good sellers in the fat tire market -- that is, if the these match the Rat Trap Passes in popularity. I'll be interested in riding reports and particularly width. If they roll as well as Big Ones, they will roll very well indeed; perhaps they'll be even faster.

Aside: If anyone with Schwalbe Big Ones or their replacement model -- I want the very lightest Schwalbe 700C X 60 -- decides to sell his or her stock because he or she wants to purchase the Antelope Hills, I'll be happy to talk. I rather suspect that the Big Ones are as supple as the AHs -- they're as light as the EL model, at ~450 grams -- and that they may wear better, based on my experience with the Elk Pass. 

OTOH, if the AHs measure 60+ on 27 inside/35 outside rims, well then ... (The Big Ones measure 61 mm.)

Jan's remarks on tire width bore on handling and may be at least theoretically true (ie, the academic truth may get swallowed up by other things, such as overall perimeter weight, bike geometry, type of terrain). But for float, cushion, and speed, I don't see why a 55 mm or 60 mm tire, if very light, won't be pretty darned fast enough, and 60s sure get through sandbetter than 50s, let alone 42s. (And, in my experience, 700C tires also get through sand and over washboard better than 559s, width and other things equal -- there's a good 3+ inches difference in diameter and it seems to have this effect.

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[Edwin W]

Bob,

I agree. I wouldn’t try on a Sam, but would be pretty sure these would fit on a Joe without fenders. And maybe even with! I’m cruising with the 44s in a befendered Joe and they are good. I had Schwalbe Furious Fred’s on there before and there was a little wiggle room.

Rim width might make a little difference.

I’ll be interested to hear what people find.

Edwin

[Patrick Moore]

I'd love to try some Snoqualmie Pass tires on the Matthews (shod now with the lightest Big Ones); I bet it would handle delightfully. But 44 mm is too narrow for my terrain.

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[Patrick Moore]

I really thought for a bit about a custom frame for Rat Trap Pass tires, disc brakes, and Riv-like road geometry, but decided to try a used and very affordable Guercotti, at least for now. (I'll have it modified for discs and install tubulars on wood rims ...)

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[Belopsky]

yeah i wanted a 26" bike but then got my 650b rando ;)

[Patrick Moore]

"Guerciotti". Sorry. 

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Yes, these would definitely fit a 700c Clem and I'd be inclined to give them a try if my budget permitted it.  I have not tried Compass tires yet but previously had the Snoq. Pass on my radar for my 65cm 700c Clem H.  I just kept the stock Kenda Kwick Nines until recently and finally installed some knobbies yesterday (Continental MountainKing 29x2.2 Protection) which has already proved beneficial on my local trails which have suffered greatly with ruts and washout from all the northeastern rain the past few weeks.  There is a noticeable difference with some noise on pavement but not enough to bother me and worth the tradeoff of increased traction on the trail.   If I were to spend proportionally more time on pavement than trail with the Clem in the near future the Antelope Hill is now likely at the top of my want to try list.  As it is, however, trail miles currently exceed pavement by far and my total mileage is at a minimum in general right now so with lots of life still left in the stock Kendas I'm not likely to invest immediately in these new Compass offerings.

Brian Cole

Lawrenceville NJ 

[Patrick Moore]

"I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here."

FWIW, I used to have a second, 35 mm (Kojaks) wheelset for my Fargo (the main wheelset had 60 mm Big Apples) and the handling did improve, for that bike (but those BAs were massively heavy -- 800 grams+ for the "lite" ones). I expect that ideal handling for my Matthews would be on Barlows or Snoqualmies; but that sand ...

The Matthews handles better than the Fargo with fat, lp tires.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 9:48 AM, Neil Doran <neil.h...@gmail.com> wrote:

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[Reed Kennedy]

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 8:48 AM Neil Doran <neil.h...@gmail.com> wrote:.

I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only cost me a small fortune to find out.

I would be shocked (shocked, I say!) if this tire came anywhere near fitting under a R559. 

I know the R559 states it is 55-73mm reach, but it’s important to understand how that’s measured. It’s from the center of the hole in the fork crown to the top edge of the brake pad. There’s a lot of brake below the center of the mounting bolt, and a little rim above where the top of the brake pad strikes the rim. 

My Paul Racer Medium calipers (47-57mm reach) clear a 38mm-measured tire with the pads at the bottom of the slots (the 57mm setting). There is about 4mm to spare in my opinion. They don’t clear a 44mm-measured tire, I tried. So the tire clearance of a center-mount brake seems to be about 15mm less than the brake reach. (57mm - 42mm = 15mm)

Note that the Paul Racer makes extremely efficient use of space, one of the reasons I love it. Most brakes will encroach on the top of the tire more than the Paul Racer does. 

Note also that most frames won’t put the brake shoes at the bottom of the slots. You’ll want to measure to be sure what your actual brake reach is. 

Assuming the best in all cases (clearance as good as the Paul Racer, pads at the bottom of the R559 slots) you’d still be looking at 73mm-15mm = 58mm, and this is a 55mm tire. Does not look good. 

Fortunately the Compass Snoqualmie Pass 700x44 is a great tire and should fit well with good clearances. 

Best,

Reed Kennedy

San Francisco, CA

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

I already ordered a set! Going to try these on my black mountain Monster cross since I'm guessing they'll run small on my dyads. If they're too big, I'll use them on my proto-Appaloosa. I've got the Schwalbe g ones on their now, so it'll be interesting to compare.

Tim "just spent lots of $ on tires" O.
Portland OR

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be very interested to hear how they compare with the G One.

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[Deacon Patrick]

I’ve been eyeing these since Jan teased them a while back and I may well give them a try on the Hunqapillar. However ... ThunderBurt 2.1” LiteSkin weigh 435g. Antelope Pass weigh 465g. So Compass’ weigh a bit more, and I’m uncertain for the riding I do the increased suppless will be a factor given how plush the ThunderBurts ride and I’d likely go with the standard to increase durability on trails when bikepacking (bike and load weighing about 75 pounds) and the nobbies are helpful on incongrous trails, ruts, etc.

Why the change in Jan offering wider tires? Jan hasn’t said it that I’ve seen, but from observing his riding and writing, he is venturing even more off the beaten path and discovering the benifits of width outweigh the cost in ideal performance on smoother roads/narrower tires. That’s somewhat hinted at in the announcement quote below...

“Experienced riders can use these tires on rough trails, but they are not intended as true mountain bike tires. The supple sidewalls aren’t stiff enough to climb out of ruts, and the casing can suffer cuts if it’s forced into sharp rocks. We mostly intend them for riders who enjoy their 29er mountain bikes on gravel and paved roads. Under those conditions, Compass allroad tires will transform your bike’s performance. You’ll want to ride it everywhere… We can’t wait to see where people are taking their Antelope Hills!”
— Quote from Jan’s Blog: https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/06/05/compass-antelope-hill-700c-x-55-mm-tires/

With abandon,
Patrick

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 12:31 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> wrote:

I’ve been eyeing these since Jan teased them a while back and I may well give them a try on the Hunqapillar. However ... ThunderBurt 2.1” LiteSkin weigh 435g. Antelope Pass weigh 465g. So Compass’ weigh a bit more, and I’m uncertain for the riding I do the increased suppless will be a factor given how plush the ThunderBurts ride and I’d likely go with the standard to increase durability on trails when bikepacking (bike and load weighing about 75 pounds) and the nobbies are helpful on incongrous trails, ruts, etc.

For the technical stuff that I think you often ride, I would think that knobs would be a big plus; I'd choose knobbies myself for that terrain. Even for mostly flatland sand, knobs would be nice -- I've taken a couple of spills in corners that could have hurt (were it not that I fell onto --- sand), but for a combination of, more or less, 1/3 pavement to 2/3 flat sandy surfaces, I'd rather have the advantage of no knobs than the advantage of knobs.

 

Why the change in Jan offering wider tires? Jan hasn’t said it that I’ve seen, but from observing his riding and writing, he is venturing even more off the beaten path and discovering the benifits of width outweigh the cost in ideal performance on smoother roads/narrower tires. That’s somewhat hinted at in the announcement quote below...

I think it's partly demand; people have been asking him for such tires for a while now; the RTP seems to be a good seller, and I suspect that the AP will be one, too. 

 

At any rate, good to know that there are now 2 makers selling the sorts of tires I like: fat and light 700C tires, and at-least-28-mm-wide 559 road tires.

[iamkeith]

Interesting that the description specifically describes them as a tire for 'transforming your 29er mountain bike.'   That's not unlike the original 26x1.75 'compass' tires.  I don't think Jan had any delusions of them fitting many existing road bikes, but I'm sure some customs will follow.  The fact that it's a bit smaller than the G-one/SuperMoto might make it appealing to more riders.

I'm looking forward to hearing how they measure up in real life.  If they're a little under-sized, perhaps they'll fit a Quickbeam? 

[ascpgh]

Oh man, I just pulled my old Karate Monkey out in the basement yesterday afternoon to start talking up my neighbor's son's summer of the bike. Once I get him all dialed in and see whether he clicks with cycling I might have to get a set of those. 

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh

[Philip Williamson]

Fitting a Quickbeam would require them to be pretty darned undersized. Could happen.

Philip

Santa Rosa, CA

[Patrick Moore]

Keith: Are the G-Ones the same except in name to the Big Ones?

The Supermotos seem to be beefier (half again almost as much as the lightest Big Ones), or do these also come in a very lightweight model? I see that they do come in a 406 bsd size -- just what I need for the Hon Solo -- except Jan is going to make a 50 mm EL tire for 20 inchers ... right?

I wish Schwalbe would hire a competent web designer and get all the model variants with all the relevant information in one place.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 1:01 PM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:

Interesting that the description specifically describes them as a tire for 'transforming your 29er mountain bike.'   That's not unlike the original 26x1.75 'compass' tires.  I don't think Jan had any delusions of them fitting many existing road bikes, but I'm sure some customs will follow.  The fact that it's a bit smaller than the G-one/SuperMoto might make it appealing to more riders.

I'm looking forward to hearing how they measure up in real life.  If they're a little under-sized, perhaps they'll fit a Quickbeam? 

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[KevinS]

Hey Tim, please let me know if they fit your BMC monster cross. I was thinking the exact same thing! Thanks.

Kevin

[Matt]

I wish Schwalbe would hire a competent web designer and get all the model variants with all the relevant information in one place.

+1 forever on this sentiment

[John Phillips]

I ordered a pair for my Hunqapillar in the standard casing. I love the Barlows & Snoqs, so I was too curious about these to wait and see what people had to say.

John

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:48:35 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:

Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/

I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.

[Edwin W]

Neil wrote: "I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal?"

I have seen Jan's writing on optimal size (it seems like for him 650b at 42), but he knows other people have different needs, either due to human size, frame size, or other things, they may want a tire as skinny as 26mm (is that the smallest they offer?) or as wide as 55mm.

Edwin

[Patrick Moore]

John: Please report quickly and thoroughly on your experience with the (non-EL) Antelope Passes.

Edwin: Interesting: Jim G's Trail Calculator has a tire variables (bsd, width) function, and I use the site more to find overall wheel diameter than to figure out trail.

In any event, you have to go as skinny as 23 mm in a 700C size to get the same diameter as a 650B X 42 tire -- 676 mm. (A 55 mm 559 tire gives almost exactly the same figure.)

[Bill Lindsay]

I would totally run these on my 29" mountain bike, with a rigid fork.  That bike would be around 19 pounds.  Imagine how fast that would be BOMBING down Mt Diablo, for example. 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Patrick Moore]

19 lb? How did you manage that? 19 lb is about 10 lb less than my Matthews weighs (tho' the 31 lb of the M includes full dyno lighting and a bulky Revelate frame bag with stuff in it, and a SQR block on the seatpost).

You've probably posted photos of this bike before, but a reminder would be appreciated.

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[Belopsky]

Now I am just being silly, but what things do I need to look for to see if I can put a rigid fork on my Santa Cruz?

[iamkeith]

Patrick, as far as I know, the G Ones, Big Ones and Super Motos are all slightly different, and represent an evolutionary sucession of the same "beach racing" balloon tire concept. Each has replaced the other. My super motos won't wear out, so that's the only one I've tried.

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Keith. Can anyone describe the differences (in excessive detail) between the lightest, bestest Big One (450 grams) and the ditto G One?

How do the Super Motos differ, besides weight? Beefier casings?

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 3:17 PM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:

Patrick,  as far as I know, the G Ones, Big Ones and Super Motos are all slightly different, and represent an evolutionary sucession of the same "beach racing" balloon tire concept. Each has replaced the other.  My super motos won't wear out, so that's the only one I've tried. 

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[Bill Lindsay]

Lots of light stuff, including lots of carbon.  It weighs 21 pounds right now with Thunder Burts (not the lightest variant) and a Fox 32 shock.  If I swapped out the Fox shock for my Niner RDO carbon rigid fork, that would drop about a 1-1/2 pounds, and I'm guessing the tires would drop a bit as well. 

Here it is being raced to 10th place at California State Championships, Sophomore D1 Boys, by Keith. 

The build list doesn't have anything crazy light, just a lot of light-ish stuff.  It's a carbon frame, with carbon seatpost and handlebars, all designed for heavy mountain bike use with no rider weight limit.  The wheelset is all metal, by Industry 9.  They were about as light as I could find for under $1000.  The 1x11 drivetrain is basic Shimano XT (shifter, RDer and cassette).  The White Industries MR30 crankset isn't light.  I run it because it is the only thing I could find in 172.5mm.  XTR pedals.  I got a great deal on a carbon rail Fizik Arione saddle in White on ebay.  The brakes are by Hope, and are kind of light.  The rotors are inexpensive Shimanos.  The Fox32 shock is pricey and pretty light.  One of the team coaches who is more of an Enduro guy refers to my bike as a cyclocross bike. 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito Gauchos

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 1:36:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

19 lb? How did you manage that? 19 lb is about 10 lb less than my Matthews weighs (tho' the 31 lb of the M includes full dyno lighting and a bulky Revelate frame bag with stuff in it, and a SQR block on the seatpost).

You've probably posted photos of this bike before, but a reminder would be appreciated.

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:

I would totally run these on my 29" mountain bike, with a rigid fork.  That bike would be around 19 pounds.  Imagine how fast that would be BOMBING down Mt Diablo, for example. 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 8:48:35 AM UTC-7, Neil Doran wrote:

Just when you thought Compass was out of fat-tire ideas, behold: https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/components/tires/700c/compass-700c-x-55-antelope-hill-tc/

I seem to recall Jan stating that 700c tire fatness is optimal at about 35mm, and that going wider is...sub-optimal? Maybe he will chime in here.

I can't imagine many non-disc-brake frames fitting these monsters, but I wonder if I could squeeze them into my Sam with sidepull 559s. It will only cost me a small fortune to find out.

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[Eric Daume]

To convert from a sus fork to rigid, you need to figure out the sagged length of your fork. You can estimate it by measuring the unsagged length, then subtracting ~30% of your fork's travel. That's the new axle-to-crown measurement you should shoot for to keep the handling similar. Then just make sure your new fork fits your frame (likely tapered) and you're set to go shopping. Oh, and make sure the new fork fits your front axle as well. Boost, etc.

Eric

On Tue, Jun 5, 2018 at 5:04 PM, Belopsky <belopol...@gmail.com> wrote:

Now I am just being silly, but what things do I need to look for to see if I can put a rigid fork on my Santa Cruz?

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And that's with a suspension fork. I'm not sure if I should feel envious or not. But 19 lb -- my "gofast" fixie road bike weighs 18.1. The difference is principally all that carbon fiber, I guess.

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[Patrick Moore]

Just re-read: 21 1/2 with sus fork and knobbies. Still ...

[Rod Holland]

Unless I'm misreading the geometry chart, these should fit on the New Atlantis. Which means I may have just found the excuse I've been avoiding...

rod

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:07:26 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:

Looks like the Riv line does have some bikes that would fit these, starting with the larger Clems... Trying to suppress fantasies of a mutant custom Roadeo with really big paws...

rod

On Tuesday, June 5, 2018 at 12:00:38 PM UTC-4, Rod Holland wrote:

What he said, at the time, was 32mm, but that was part of nuanced argument, he got pushback from many of us (raises hand), and obligingly gave us Barlows, Bon Jons, and Snoqs. This is meant, I think, to complete the line of "Enduro Allroad" (Jan's term, perhaps short-lived) tires in this width range for the the 3 popular wheel sizes.  In the spirit of Pokemon (gotta get 'em all), I'm wondering about framesets that would give these a fair test. An old Karate Monkey? Anything Riv makes? Custom? I don't, out of hand, rule out rim brakes; my Trucker DeLuxe is doing nicely with cantis and Rat Trap Pass ELs, but these are definitely too fat for its 700c LHT brother. 

rod

[Clayton]

Ummmmmm.......What about these?!   lol.... (Face palm)  ( https://bikerumor.com/2018/06/05/retyre-zips-new-tread-even-winter-spikes-over-your-tires-in-seconds/). Rolling resistance must be ridiculously low. ;)  

   

Clayton 

#DirtDanceDesigns

[ascpgh]

Oh, those have to be extra lightweight. A zipper?

Andy Cheatham

Pittsburgh

[ctifusion]

I need to check how to post pictures but these fit easily on the new Atlantis. Plenty of clearance on each side of the chainstays. And that's the tightest spot.

On Velocity Atlas rims. I'd bet it will also be fine on wider rims.

Got the wrong stem and decided I needed a zero setback seatpost to get the reach I want, so the build is on hold.

Brynnar
Indy

[Jon BALER]

I tried out the new Antelope Pass tires this weekend on my VO Piolet.  I did a 85 mile ride from Ellicott City, MD to Washington DC and back on roads and paved trails.   Ride quality and speed were great as expected.

I have ridden the Schwalbe Big Ones (light version?) for a while, so can offer some comparisons.  The Compass tires definitely have a thicker center tread section than Schwalble, and have supple sidewalls as expected.  This should give the Compass better flat protection.  On my older Salsa Semi 29er rims, width was just under 55 mm on initial installation with tubes and 30 psi.   The tubeless bead is quite a stout, and initial installation took some muscle. 

[Patrick Moore]

Jon: how do the APs feel compared to the Big Ones -- did you ride dirt as well as pavement? I find that the BOs roll very well; I'd guess that they seem to have no more rolling resistance tubeless, on pavement, 18-23 psi, than 35 mm Kojaks with tubes at road pressures. Do the APs feel as good? (I realize that I have no measurements, thus "feel".)

55 mm on the Semis, which are listed as 30 mm wide, so I'd guess that the APs would measure much the same on my Velocity Blunt SS's, at 35 mm wide. My Big Ones measure 61 mm. Hmm.

I worried before buying Big Ones, 8 or 10 months before the AP announcement, because I wanted to buy a Compass version, but I rather think that the BOs meet my needs better, slightly, than the APs.

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[Robert Barr]

Brynnar, We could see how they fit on a Hunqapillar… since they are just sitting around!

[Jon BALER]

I only rode pavement, but some of the paved trails in DC had some sand on them. ;)    Since the AP's have thicker tread, I would recommend AP for increased flat protection on streets with debris or rougher gravel.

Unscientifically, I do think they rolled just good as BO's.   Obviously, they are both thin/supple, high quality tires, so I don't think either one would be significantly slower.  I've ridden the BO's a lot, and absolutely love them.  I got the AP's for a future bike build and was conveniently placing an order for other compass tires at the time.

The AP's do seem slightly narrower, if you have a bike with tight clearances.

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 2:00:54 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

Jon: how do the APs feel compared to the Big Ones -- did you ride dirt as well as pavement? I find that the BOs roll very well; I'd guess that they seem to have no more rolling resistance tubeless, on pavement, 18-23 psi, than 35 mm Kojaks with tubes at road pressures. Do the APs feel as good? (I realize that I have no measurements, thus "feel".)

55 mm on the Semis, which are listed as 30 mm wide, so I'd guess that the APs would measure much the same on my Velocity Blunt SS's, at 35 mm wide. My Big Ones measure 61 mm. Hmm.

I worried before buying Big Ones, 8 or 10 months before the AP announcement, because I wanted to buy a Compass version, but I rather think that the BOs meet my needs better, slightly, than the APs.

On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 6:28 AM, Jon BALER <wcp...@gmail.com> wrote:

I tried out the new Antelope Pass tires this weekend on my VO Piolet.  I did a 85 mile ride from Ellicott City, MD to Washington DC and back on roads and paved trails.   Ride quality and speed were great as expected.

I have ridden the Schwalbe Big Ones (light version?) for a while, so can offer some comparisons.  The Compass tires definitely have a thicker center tread section than Schwalble, and have supple sidewalls as expected.  This should give the Compass better flat protection.  On my older Salsa Semi 29er rims, width was just under 55 mm on initial installation with tubes and 30 psi.   The tubeless bead is quite a stout, and initial installation took some muscle. 


On Saturday, June 16, 2018 at 4:55:19 PM UTC-4, ctifusion wrote:

I need to check how to post pictures but these fit easily on the new Atlantis. Plenty of clearance on each side of the chainstays. And that's the tightest spot.

On Velocity Atlas rims. I'd bet it will also be fine on wider rims.

Got the wrong stem and decided I needed a zero setback seatpost to get the reach I want, so the build is on hold.

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[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Jon -- useful information. I'll stick with the BOs for now, since I have a supply and because I am easy on tires; but good to know that we're not locked in to one maker and model for such fat, fast-rolling road tires.

I rather think that, if I didn't need fat tires for sand -- if I were riding on firm dirt and gravel -- I'd probably choose the Snoqualmie or even the Barlow for the Matthews; probably the Snoqualmie since Compass tires seem to be a bit narrower than labeled. 

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[ctifusion]

Ha! Too late, almost built up! I'll swing by later this week to show it off.

[John Phillips]

    I finally got around to putting these on my 2013 Hunqapillar after ordering a new Velocity Cliffhanger wheelset from Riv. On Cliffhangers, these are a true 55mm wide, and I have lots of clearance on this bike, except that I had to remove my Pletscher kickstand to keep it from rubbing the rear tire. Not a big problem.

    These are my first tubeless compatible rims & tires, but I found a little patience & a pair of Crank Brothers Speedier tire levers & inflating the inner tube to about 50 psi got the beads seated properly.

   These ride like big fat extralight Compass tires, but I can only directly compare them to 55mm Big Bens which I didn't really like too much.

 Just my $0.02 & YMMV,

John

[Chris L]

John, do you have any pictures of your Hunqapillar with Antelope Pass tires?   I'm thinking about getting some AP's or G-One Speeds for my Hunqapillar. 

[John Phillips]

Hi Chris,

 Sorry, I didn't take any photos while the Antelope Passes were on the bike. I switched to 55mm Schwalbe Almotions for a bit more flat protection.

 Did you want to see the clearances, or just the look?

John Chris L

Feb 23

[Chris L]

Mainly curious about the look.  After I posted in this thread I saw an image of a larger Hunqapillar with the AP tires so I have a good idea how they look.   I don't run fenders or ride in sloppy conditions so clearance shouldn't be an issue for me.  

[Mark Schneider]

I put one on the rear on my Atlantis, I have a Schwalbe G-One on the front. It fairly transforms the ride more than any tire change I've made and I switched from 42mm SOMA Vitesse XL which are very nice riding. Thinking of running it tubeless.

Mark

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be interested in hearing *from anyone who has used both* whether the Antelope Pass is better (and, in what ways) than the Schwalbe Big One or it's contemporary replacement. One + for the BO is that it measures a true 60 mm on my Blunt SS rims, and even 1/2 cm is useful on our sandy soil. The BO is also a wee bit lighter than the AP, even while wider. And the BO wears well for its 450 gram weight (I've weighed 2 (new) samples; one at advertised 440 grams one at 450).

The sole conjectured disadvantage for the BO is -- as discussed on recent IBOB thread -- that its width and softness might make it pull a bit at usual pressures -- sub 30; something that might be a quality of wide tires per se and not merely of the BO.

I've used very nice 50 mm tires (F Fred) and now 60 mm; perhaps 55 is the excellent compromise ...?

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[Adam Leibow]

everybody, it's Antelope Hill, not pass. Here is my clem L w/ them. These tires would not fit on any Sam Hillborne - for the Sam you need the Snoqualmie Passes. These AH are incredibly nice. Here they are on deer park on mt tamalpais. 

[Friend]

I'm very tempted by these for my new Joe Appaloosa.  It will be these or the 45mm Compass's...  

[Tim Bantham]

Does anyone know if the AH will fit on the Appaloosa? I thought a 50mm would be about the max. Maybe the 55mm AH can still squeeze in? 

[Friend]

According to the geometry chart, it would fit a 62cm Appaloosa.  Maybe a 58cm as well.

[Mark Schneider]

Patrick I'm not using the super-light Schwalbe it's the 50mm G-One Speed TLE. I think it's around 500 grams, and a very supple nice riding tire. But the Compass/RH tire does feel faster, I was actually surprised at my speed on my Atlantis on my typical 20 mile after work ride was faster than I've been riding on my lighter Homer and Trek 613 also with compass tires, 700x35 and 650bx38 respectively. I think if I already had the super-light Schwalbe's I'd be satisfied, right now I'm comparing apples to oranges, sort of.

Mark

[Patrick Moore]

Mark: Thanks for this. It is a bit apples:oranges, but a useful data point nonetheless. I think at this point my principal interest in the APs is whether it exhibits the same "floppy" feeling that the 60 mm (700C) Big Ones do, even at what for such a fat tire is pavement pressure -- 26+ under my 175. Boblist scuttlebutt (was it on the Bob or o this list) is that the BO's tread tends to "stick" to the pavement in turns; minimally, but enough to notice. It's not horrible, but it means that the ride is less than Riv quality. As far as cushion, perceived rolling resistance, and weight, I am more than happy with the ultra light BO model.

As with your experience with the APs, the BOs feel as fast on pavement as the Elk Passes, at least when I am riding these last on my 2003 Riv.

[Ryan M.]

I got the Schwalbe G-One Allround 650bx57 tire mounted to Velocity Cliffhangers to fit in my Appaloosa so I don't see why the Compass Antelope Pass tires wouldn't.

I have the Antelope Pass tires on my Niner Sir9 right now and they honestly look a bit thinner than the Schwalbe G-ones. I think they would fit well on the Appaloosa.

[saintruggler]

Ryan,

Can you please share photos and details (rim width, etc) of how the Antelope Hills fit on your Niner SIR9?

Eric

On Wednesday, February 27, 2019 at 11:40:39 AM UTC-8, Ryan M. wrote:
> I got the Schwalbe G-One Allround 650bx57 tire mounted to Velocity Cliffhangers to fit in my Appaloosa so I don't see why the Compass Antelope Pass tires wouldn't.
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> Does anyone know if the AH will fit on the Appaloosa? I thought a 50mm would be about the max. Maybe the 55mm AH can still squeeze in? 
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> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 8:42:47 AM UTC-5, Friend wrote:
> I'm very tempted by these for my new Joe Appaloosa.  It will be these or the 45mm Compass's...  
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> On Tuesday, February 26, 2019 at 12:16:48 AM UTC-5, Adam Leibow wrote:
> everybody, it's Antelope Hill, not pass. Here is my clem L w/ them. These tires would not fit on any Sam Hillborne - for the Sam you need the Snoqualmie Passes. These AH are incredibly nice. Here they are on deer park on mt tamalpais. 
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[jandrews]

Has anyone here run the 700x57 (29x2.25) Schwalbe G-One "All Around" tires on an Appaloosa (55cm sizes and up?) with fenders?

[Tom Horton]

I have the antelope hills on my atlantis and my appaloosa, wonderful tires on both. I have schwalbe g one speed 60 mm on my clem and they appear 'bigger' than the 3mm difference would suggest. they do tend to pull a little bit, but nothing I didn't get used to in ten minutes. they just float over everything and would definitely be my 'sand' tire over the antelope hills, assuming they'd fit. I ran the schwalbe on the front of my appaloosa for a few weeks and it fit and performed well, but don't even think about fendering it.  never got around to trying it on the rear...will at riv thought it would fit, 'just'  depending on rims one used.

they are both mighty fine tires.

and if it makes a difference, all my bikes are the biggest frames of their respective types.

[saintruggler]

Resurrecting this thread. I am searching for a Compass/RH Antelope Hill tire to make a pair. (I already have one--looking for a match). I'd be willing to trade for a brand new Schwalbe tire of your choice.

PM me,

Eric

[ctifusion]

I've got a set of these with 400 miles on them (standard, tan) that I'll sell for $80 shipped (conus) if you're interested. That's the cost of one new one plus shipping.

Good shape, no flats, may need some soap and water on the tan sidewalls.

Brynnar

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