S24O Packing & securing load

[opa...@gmail.com]

I'm looking for how-to tips, tricks, guide, (good pictures would be very helpful) for packing and securing a S24O load on my Riv.  I've tried to make out details from the tiny pictures on Riv's site but they simply aren't close-up enough.   I have an Atlantis, front Wald basket, rear IRC rack, and a Carradice Nelson longflap.   Plan on carrying sleeping pad & bag, small tent, usual accoutrements for a one night outing.  No, I don't have anyone nearby that does S240's or, touring, for that matter, to learn from.   I discovered quickly that while I can pack a car tight & tidy for a vacation, loading a bike up is another matter.  For instance, if I move the tent to just behind the seat on the rear rack, and then put the Carradice bag behind it (for easy access) - how do I attach the bag to the rack?  (it normally attaches to the seat)..for that matter what is the standard way to secure big stuff to the rack when not using panniers?  Bungee cords?...3/8" braided rope?...giant velcro strips?   By the way I'm looking for neat, simple ways, not massive ugly knots etc.

Cheers,
Robert Opalko

[Stephen S]

I am packing for an s24o this weekend for he first time and what worked for me is to still attach the bag normally but not run the closing straps through both sides of the buckle. Basically, just enough to close them and have the metal bit go into the hole. Then have the tent strapped behind the bag. I am still able to get in the bag and it is still closed but it definitely isn't as easy to get in. I have my sleeping pad strapped around the tent and it is pretty stable.

I would suggest your main thoughts on packing should be about making it stable as the primary goal and convenient for the things you have to have convenient. Btw, I think most folks use a handlebar bag for he stuff they want access to on the road. I was planning to have some clothes and my cooking stuff in the saddlebag.

I haven't done much more than a ride to work with my setup. Hopefully others on the list will respond with sage advice.

Stephen

[Stephen S]

Oh and I am using lots of bungee cords to make sure it s tight.

Stephen

[Minh]

Robert,

Maybe you're overthinking this, but bungees are fine for securing to
the rack. It sounds like the problem you have is that you cannot put
something on top of the rear rack and attach the saddle sack.
Depending on the sleeping pad (or is it the tent) you can mount that
on the under-side of the top-tube or bungee it crosswise on top of the
basket. There are just a lot of options, you just need to play around
with it, there is no right way other then making sure it's secure
while riding. If you have the clearance up front you could use the
saddle-sack as a handle-bar bag.

Here's a picture of my last S240, i have panniers, but what i have in
the panniers you could carry in your saddle-sack and front basket.
What i have in the long roll on top of the rear-rack is the sleeping
pad, inside the sleeping pad are the poles to my tent.

In the panniers i have, sleeping bag, tent (2 person, no rainfly on
this trip), tent foot-print, 2-20oz bottles of water, change of
clothes (camp pants, lite jacket, change of socks, shirt), bike repair
kit (multi-tool, pump, tubes, patches), food (sandwiches, trailmix,
etc).

hard to see is on the front rack i have trunk-sack for food, wallet,
keys, things i need to get at easily. i could easily get by without
this but it's more convienent.

http://flic.kr/p/ajaN9q

[William]

That's the beauty of an S24O.  If you try a load configuration and it is less than perfect, then you know for next time to try something different.  Bring a few extra bungees, or Rivendell irish straps or REI webbing with fastek buckles or a ball of twine and a pocketknife.  If anything gets loose on you, lash it down.  Enjoy the learning experience. 

Me, I've used the platrack in front for for tent, pad and sleeping bag(s).  Big saddlebag in back for the rest

http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/4923623707/in/set-72157624675120941/

[Jay]

One thing that has worked for me is to pack my tent poles separately
from the rest of the tent. The tent can go in a pannier or saddle bag
and the poles get lashed to whatever.

Jay

[dougP]

On of the most useful things for packing is the cargo net. Stretchy
cord stuff of some kind, a hook at each corner. For an S24O, 2
panniers hold everything but my comfy, cushy, sleeping pad, & that
gets lashed onto the rear rack with the cargo net. Nets are also hand
for stuffing odd bits under them, such as a jacket if you don't want
to fuss with a bag.

dougP

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[Manuel Acosta]

Learn how to tie some knots and bring some rope.


Previous trips

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623688777100/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623462389672/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157623299331702/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157626920932117/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157627058327753/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/sets/72157627116871619/

Always a pre-ride pictures should be in the beginning.

-Manny

[René Sterental]

Nice adventure Manny. Are you joining us today?

René

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[opa...@gmail.com]

Made 27 mile trip to campsite Friday afternoon for my first S24O.

Usual college kid revelers heading out same road to lake tossing empty
beer cartons and athletic socks (?). Once at campsite, it was very
quiet. There was a heavy dew Friday night and I had terrific
condensation inside tent...making it quite chilly inside even when it
was only 51...questioning which seasons my "3 season" bag was meant
for.

A few photos:
http://opalko.smugmug.com/Bicycling/S24O/19218681_drMHHj#1498968944_XX3N9tc

Observations:
Plain ole 3/8" braided rope to secure load on bike worked fine but
bungee cords or buckled cords would save all kinds of time.
Front wheel seems to handle better when load in big Wald basket is
small to medium sized. Put a lot of weight in it (like I did) and the
dreaded shimmy I thought I was rid of returned.
A kickstand is in order for loaded bikes!
(Wrongly) decided my folding camp chair was not appropriate for an
S24O...I'll take it next time.
Check LED headlamp batteries before leaving. iPhone flashlight app
works in a pinch..for a while.

Looking forward to next one!
Cheers,
Robert

[William]

Well done!  you are well on your way

[Anne Paulson]

On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 4:16 AM, opa...@gmail.com <opa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm looking for how-to tips, tricks, guide, (good pictures would be very
> helpful) for packing and securing a S24O load on my Riv.  I've tried to make
> out details from the tiny pictures on Riv's site but they simply aren't
> close-up enough.   I have an Atlantis, front Wald basket, rear IRC rack, and
> a Carradice Nelson longflap.   Plan on carrying sleeping pad & bag, small
> tent, usual accoutrements for a one night outing.

After the latest (way fun) S24O, I've come to the conclusion that
while I love my Large Saddlesack for everyday use and will continue to
leave it mounted on my knock-around Atlantis, I prefer panniers for
touring, even for just an overnight. The panniers are easier to pack
and unpack, hold more, mount and dismount easily, and are waterproof.

With the Saddlesack and a front handlebar bag, I had to just jam
everything in higgledy piggledy, while with panniers, I can separate
the food and cooking equipment from the clothing and camping
equipment. I can put the food pannier in the food locker or hang it,
and take the camping panniers into the tent, instead of having to
carry out clothing, sleeping bag and pad one by one to the Saddlesack.

The Saddlesack/Brand-V front bag combo was jammed with stuff just for
our little overnight, and the tent had to be strapped on the top,
though I just brought what for me is a bare minimum: tent, pad,
sleeping bag, long pants, long shirt, wooly hat, sweater, jacket,
stove, food, cup, spoon. I didn't even bring a clean pair of shorts
for the next day. The next time I do an S24O, it will be colder so
I'll need more clothes, and they won't fit.

My Ortlieb panniers mount and dismount in seconds, whereas I pretty
much have to leave the Saddlesack mounted, leaving it vulnerable to
raccoon investigation. Right now I have a nice raccoon handprint on
the Saddlesack, which in itself is no problem, but raccoon claws and
raccoon teeth can put holes in cloth bags.

The Ortliebs are completely and utterly waterproof. The Saddlesack and
the Brand V bag aren't.

So my advice for an S24O is to use panniers.

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-- Anne Paulson

My hovercraft is full of eels

[Horace]

I tried out an adjustable bungee cord for securing my tent on top of
my rear rack for my latest trip (this past weekend). I thought it did
a better job than other solutions I'd tried, which mainly involved a
cargo net and many smaller bungee cords.

Here's the one I used:
http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-3039DAT-CamLok-Adjustable/dp/B0009V1WUM

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