Anyone compared Schwable Almotions to Supremes?

[John Phillips]

    Been getting too many flats lately, perhaps due to all the construction in my neighborhood, so I'm trying to decide which touring tire to try out in the 50-55mm range. Has anyone compared the Schwalbe Marathon Almotion to the Marathon Supreme?

I'm hoping for a tire to get me home from the store with my wife's mochi ice cream intact without having to go as far as Mondials or the Marathon pluses.

Thnx,

John

[Irving]

I'm curious to hear any real world experiences as well. Found some sciency data here and my interpretation is that the Almotion's are a little more puncture resistant than the Supreme's.

[Patrick Moore]

If the culprits are goatheads, I have to recommend the Big Apple. Relatively cheap, heavy as lead (*), but roll surprisingly well (at least until you hit a rise), and man, shrug off 99 out of every 100 goatheads; the only tire I've used besides horrible, horrible, horrible armored ones that I can ride around here on both pavement and bosque dirt and not worry about more than a few goathead flats -- I'd come out of the bush with scores of goatheads stuck in tread, and just brush them off before pavement, and not lose any air over the following week.

Someone I know recently installed a pair (1.98 lb each! -- 700C X 60) after having used some cheapos filled with a liter of Slime each; and he was amazed and exclaimed exuberanly about how much better they ride. These come in 60 and 50 mm widths, I think.

(*) I myself rode the "Liteskin" version, a svelte 800 grams.

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[John Phillips]

Patrick, my flats are caused by broken glass, wires and urban construction debris rather than goat heads.

I've been trying to run my errands on Compass tires, but I really can't afford the time it takes to fix a flat when my wife's ice cream is on board. So I'm trying to find the "most supple," "flat-resistant" touring tire I can find in 50-55mm. Or am I asking for too much from a tire?

John

[Ash]

I don't have a comparison between them, but I'm running Almotion 650Bx2.0 on my Joe A.  I've switched between those and WTB Horizon's.  Cumulative I have over 1k miles on Almotions.  No flats so far.  Ride is very smooth and supple.    I have them mounted on Velocity Atlas rims.  

[Patrick Moore]

Got it. Still, the Apples may be an option; it's just that for flats other than by goathead, I get perhaps 1 every year (I think Jan has the same experience in Seattle or wherever he is) so I can't really speak to that sort of puncture (and I'm glad of that; our goatheads are certainly bad enough.

I certainly wouldn't use Compass tires where nails and wire and glass were common. Compass tires and similar thin-skin tires work for me with goatheads only because of modern sealants, but these are notorious for being less effective for larger punctures.

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[John Phillips]

Thanks Patrick, the Big Apples certainly sound like another option to consider.

John

[dougP]

John:

I've used the Supremes for 10 years now & like them a lot.  Punctures are rare in my suburban environment & I've also taken them off road without issues.  They will definitely be more flat resistant than the Compass.  No experience with the All Motion.  I doubt you need to go full Mondial or Tour Plus.  I've also used Mondials and they are heavier than Supremes so likely more flat resistant.  I average 1 flat per year with Supremes in about 3k of riding.  The high water mark was a 40 mm front Supreme that went 11k with zero flats.  It still had some life left but I thought it had earned its keep. 

dougP

[John Phillips]

Thanks Doug, The supremes sound really good.

     Checking the Schwalbe site again, I see for 2019, Schwalbe will be offering lighter clincher versions of the Marathon Almotion in 50-622 & 55-622 sizes once again, along with the heavier tubeless versions in the same sizes.

So maybe I should order Supremes for now and wait to see what people say about the new non-tubeless Almotions? More to think about...

John

[Garth]

   John, Flats are @ what PSI ?

You may simply need to lower the pressure. I run 40mm Vittoria Hypers @ 33-40 psi and they have been flat free over 3 pairs.

[John Phillips]

Hi Garth, I'm running my Antelope Pass 55mm tires about 25 psi in the front and about 35 psi in the back. My Hunqapillar weighs about 32(?) lbs & I weigh about 240 lbs, but usually keep my groceries to 10 lbs or less per run.

John

[Jon BALER]

My wife and I have used Supremes on touring bikes for the last few years, and both have good resistance to punctures.  She has 700x35, and I have the 700x40.

I have had 700x38 Soma Shikoro on my commuting bike, and had good luck with them and they roll nice.  They have a 700x50 version too.  For low mileage errand running, I think this tire would be good balance of flat resistance and rolling resistance.

[John Phillips]

Thanks Jon,  I had forgotten about those, I'll add the Soma Shikoros to my possibles list.

John

[Chris Lampe 2]

I've ridden the Maxxis Torch 29'er as well as the 50mm Marathon Supreme and I would easily choose the Torch over the Marathon Supreme, which is one of the deadest feeling tires I've ridden.  The only area where the Torch falls short of the Marathon is in high speed, tight cornering and that is due to the squared off shape of the Torch, compared to the very round shape of Supreme.   The Torch also seems much bigger than the Supreme.  

I haven't put tons of miles on the Torches so I can't speak to their durability or puncture resistance. 

The photos show the Torch mounted on Dyad rims. 

[jack loudon]

John, I've never tried the Allmotions but (like others) have had very good luck with Supremes.  First set 700-50's went close to 10,000 mi with no flats; I did nothing but add air occasionally. I finally retired them because of a sidewall slice that didn't go through, but was nonetheless worrying.  The current set of 700-40's have fairly low miles but also no flats. Like you, I live in an area with tire wires, glass, and other debris.  Some have said the Supreme is dead-feeling, and that be correct, depending on the tire it's compared to, but I think they feel fine for a substantial belted tire.  However, in acknowledging my biases, I seem to be less sensitive than others to (and therefore less smitten by) the supple Cadillac ride of Compass and similar tires.

Like you, I've also had compass tires (3 sets so far) and the frequency of flats has become unacceptable to me, in spite of their other qualities.  Also, the tread lasts about half as long as the Supremes, but Compass is a completely different tire with a different purpose.   I'm not giving up on Compass, but in the future will only get the ones that are tubeless compatible, and set them up tubeless.

Jack

Seattle

[Ed Fausto]

Hi John,

I have the same experience as  dougP using Schwalbe Supreme 26 x 1.6” in my Atlantis during my 4 months TransAm tour in 2016.

Only 1 flat each for front and rear tire.

I would use the same tire in my next tour.

Edgar

[John Phillips]

   Thanks Chris, I'll add the Maxxis Torch to list of possible choices as well, with a note about the cornering. 

   Thank you everyone for all your recommendations.

    I ordered a set of the Marathon Supremes and a set of the new clincher, non-tubeless Marathon Almotions from Germany for about $43 a tire with shipping. I carry an extra tube & tire on grocery runs, so if I get a puncture, I can just pop on a tube & tire and fix the puncture after I get the groceries in the fridge.

    Fingers crossed, I won't be fixing flats for awhile!

Thanks,

John

[Cody Bartz]

I too was curious about the Almotions. Post your findings if you find anything out. 

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi John,

Do you have or can you point me to more information on the non-tubeless Almotions you ordered?  I am looking at the Schwalbe site now but it seems to imply all of the Almotions are tubeless compatible.  I have no need for tubeless, at least on my current wheels, and the tubeless tires seem to be a bit harder to mount.  I don't mind that at home but on the road could be different.

Thanks for any help,

Bob 

On Tuesday, November 6, 2018 at 11:33:10 AM UTC-6, John Phillips wrote:

   ...

    I ordered a set of the Marathon Supremes and a set of the new clincher, non-tubeless Marathon Almotions from Germany for about $43 a tire with shipping. 

... 

John

[John Phillips]

Hi Bob,

    I meant the V-Guard tires vs the MicroSkin TL-Easy tires.

    Maybe I was wrong, maybe the V-Guard tires are tubeless compatible. You're right, the general description of the Almotion says:

"Now all sizes of Marathon Almotion are equipped for tubeless operation. The patented Microskin construction tires are also significantly lighter. the tire is for tubeless compatible."

But the V-Guard tires are a new listing on this page, and since the V-Guard 50-622 tires are listed as 135 grams lighter, and not listed as TL-Easy, I assumed they were the updated version of the Almotion clincher Schwalbe used to list as simply "Dynamic Casing" and that Schwalbe was in the process of updating this web page.

On the Marathon Supreme web page, the text says, "Maximum comfort and speed are achieved in its Tubeless Easy version..." And the non-TL Easy" Supremes have V-Guard.

On this page TL-Easy compared to V-Guard and other flat protection:

https://www.schwalbetires.com/BENCHMARK-OF-PUNCTURE-PROTECTION

I guess I will have to just see what's what when the tires get here.

John

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks John,

It is both a little frustrating and even kind of funny how hard it can be to figure out all of the variations, in the models and sub-models, in the "market speak" labels, etc.  I do truly like Schwalble tires and, considering how long I have used them, it seems I should know more!  But every time I look at their site, it is like it's the first time except for maybe the basic models that have lasted.  I do love the options and the improvements!  Still, a flowchart or history or better summaries would be helpful.

Let us know if the new tires arrive and perform as expected!  I use Supreme's on one city/errand/touring bike but am considering Almotion's for a more dedicated tourer.  I will say I went with 700x50(?) Mondials one time (still have them) and they seemed really heavy for anything other than true outback touring.  I can see where Schwalbe might be trying to provide lighter weight options within the model lines.

Thanks for the help and the info,

Bob

[Deacon Patrick]

I keep seeing this tread topic and thinking, no, the Supremes didn’t sing “I second that Almotion.” Shrug. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

[John Phillips]

Hi Bob,

    Amen! I can never understand why Schwalbe doesn't try for greater clarity on their webpages.

    I found I could search for answers on the Schwalbe website by using Google. For instance, if I searched Google for "What is Schwalbe v-guard?" and clicked on the result linked to a Schwalbe webpage. Using the Schwalbe website's search function or tables of pages got me nowhere.

I should dig my pair of Mondials out of the closet and ride them until the new tires arrive just so I'm not mentally comparing the ride to the current 55mm Compass tires.

Thanks,

John

[Pam Bikes]

I have the Schwalbe Marathon Supremes.  I get 12,000 miles with no flats out of them.  On my 3rd set.  New set has wear indicators like the Contis.  .  Slightly different tread pattern on the new set.

 These are both new.  The dirty one has the little hole which I think is the wear indicator.  Got one old tread and one new tread when I bought 2 new tires.  

On Monday, November 5, 2018 at 11:30:45 AM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote: