Rambouillet, rear brake cable hanger

[Bob Cooper]

I’m ready to install the Mafac Racer center-pull brakes on my
Rambouillet.

But how do I attach the cable stop in the back without some awful
kludge?

This little guy, although cute, binds in the slot, so I’m afraid to
use it for strength reasons; very delicate-seeming: http://tinyurl.com/Rear-Cable-Hanger

Any advice appreciated.

Bob Cooper

[Jeremy Till]

Not sure what you're referring to in the link above as it doesn't seem
to link to the right page. There are any number of seatpost-binder
bolt-mounted cable stops, like this one:

http://velo-orange.com/suststcaha.html

That should work just fine.

[Andrew Karre]

Have you seen the Surly one?

http://www.velo-orange.com/suststcaha.html

Might do the trick.

[CycloFiend]

on 1/21/09 3:13 PM, Bob Cooper at robert...@frontiernet.net wrote:
> I¹m ready to install the Mafac Racer center-pull brakes on my
> Rambouillet.
>
> But how do I attach the cable stop in the back without some awful
> kludge?
>
> This little guy, although cute, binds in the slot, so I¹m afraid to
> use it for strength reasons; very delicate-seeming:
> http://tinyurl.com/Rear-Cable-Hanger

Yeah, no. That link doesn't come up for me either. You might pester your LBS
- stuff like that often ends up in the lower drawer of the parts bin.
Barring that...

Here's a simple one on Loosescrews.com -
http://tinyurl.com/dycvwv

And this one gives some angle adjustment -
http://tinyurl.com/b9qof3

Hope that helps.

- Jim

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[David Estes]

That's really cool!

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[Bob Cooper]

Cyclofiend said, Here's a simple one on Loosescrews.com -
http://tinyurl.com/dycvwv

Bob says, yes, this is the one I was trying to show with my bad link.
Apology for that.

Has anyone used it on a Rambouillet?

The gap at the binder bolt is so narrow on a Rambouillet that this
type of hanger will be pinched, the seat post may not be tight enough,
and the fragile aluminum hanger may be compromised for strength.

I bought one and tried it, hence my worries.

Ciao,

Bob Cooper

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

You could probably make something that would work better. I'm thinking
of an L-shaped piece of sturdy steel that bolts on behind the brake
caliper, projecting upward and out over the caliper. Drill a hole in
it and tap said hole for a barrel adjuster. Of course, making it look
elegant is more challenging. What sacrifices we make to use old French
parts!

On the other hand, many such centerpull cable stops actually attached
under either end of the seatpost binder bolt (rather than in the
middle). You'd have to get clever to make one of these work with Riv's
recessed seat binder bolts. Also, these are usually unsightly, IMO.

Or you could just use the modern sidepulls for which the frame was
intended, and enjoy both improved performance and ease of installation/
adjustment.


On Jan 22, 9:46 am, Bob Cooper <robertcoo...@frontiernet.net> wrote:
> Cyclofiend said, Here's a simple one on Loosescrews.com -http://tinyurl.com/dycvwv

[Bill Connell]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
<thil...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On the other hand, many such centerpull cable stops actually attached
> under either end of the seatpost binder bolt (rather than in the
> middle). You'd have to get clever to make one of these work with Riv's
> recessed seat binder bolts. Also, these are usually unsightly, IMO.

Since Rivendell uses a standard bolt and nut, you could probably do a
slightly offset hanger by using a longer bolt in the seatpost binder.
You'd tighten the binder bolt as usual, then add the hanger, then a
locknut outside of that just to hold the hanger in place. It might be
too far off-center if you're on a small frame, but worth a try.

--
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St. Paul, MN

[PATRICK MOORE]

On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:09 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thil...@gmail.com> wrote:

You could probably make something that would work better. I'm thinking
of an L-shaped piece of sturdy steel that bolts on behind the brake
caliper, projecting upward and out over the caliper. Drill a hole in
it and tap said hole for a barrel adjuster. Of course, making it look
elegant is more challenging. What sacrifices we make to use old French
parts!

On my Redline Monocog 29er ss with tiny 17" frame (that is the Medium), there is no way  that a conventional hangar would work -- simply not enough room between brakes and stop -- so I ended up filing out a stem mount hangar to clamp onto the seatpost.

But I got around the hassle by using V brakes and, later, discs. I agree with Jim: why not calipers?

[Bruce]

Maybe Paul makes something like this? Or would if asked? You could style match your Neo-Retros, etc.

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[Bob Cooper]

The question has been asked, rightly, Why not calipers?

Well, with all the brakes, rims, tires, and fenders that I have put on
this bike, I have yet to get the fat-tires-and-fenders thing to work,
to the degree of elegance that I imagine.

So, my last-ditch effort will be to use a skinnier tire than I
imagined and a skinner fender than I had imagined and a brake that
“opens when it closes,” if you know what I mean: Mafac center pulls.

I thought that there might be something out there already that I
didn’t know about that would avoid my having to get out the hacksaw,
the scrap metal and the ball-pein hammer. But lo, that looks like the
next step.

I’ll post a picture when done, with or without fenders (defeat!).

Thanks for your help,

Bob Cooper

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Tektro Big Mouth?

[Frederick, Steve]

Yeah, I'm running those on my Rambouillet with 30mm actual tires and Planet Bike Cascadia 45mm fenders and it all looks and works just fine...

Steve

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[Thomas Nezovich]

I had the same problem on my 650b conversion (Panasonic DX-1000). I
used one of the hangers from QBP and filed it until it fit.
It looked thin but has survived for several seasons now.

[Andrew Karre]

As a big fan of centerpulls, let me urge you to keep at it. It seems
like the Surly hanger would work in this application. Won't it loop
over the binder bolt?

Plus, have you seen this? http://www.thevelocafe.com/Ramb/Ramb.html

Seems like he's got the setup working.

[CycloFiend]

on 1/22/09 9:40 AM, Bob Cooper at robert...@frontiernet.net wrote:
> So, my last-ditch effort will be to use a skinnier tire than I
> imagined and a skinner fender than I had imagined and a brake that
> ³opens when it closes,² if you know what I mean: Mafac center pulls.
>
> I thought that there might be something out there already that I
> didn¹t know about that would avoid my having to get out the hacksaw,
> the scrap metal and the ball-pein hammer. But lo, that looks like the
> next step.

I really don't think that's the next step. It's probably reasonably close.
At first I had mounted the hanger off to one side, but with a couple easy
passes of a file, this ended up working just fine -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3218911812/

Sorry to use a non-riv example...

There's little to no torque on the hanger (or at least there _shouldn't_
be), and there's usually a bit of extra material on the thing. So, I
wouldn't hesitate to grind it down a bit so that it does not act like a
spacer in the seat binder lug.

>
> I¹ll post a picture when done, with or without fenders (defeat!).

Looking forward to it -
http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet

- Jim

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[MichaelH]

I'm a big fan of paul's brakes, so I can understand your desire to use
them. But I have run my Ram with a pair of 1980's vintage Campy
single pivot brakes(Grand Sport). Single pivot brakes, unlike modern
dual pivots, typically sit entirely above the base of the fork crown,
so they don't crowd fenders as much. I would think, however, that the
width of the crown will limit fender size and therefore tire size. I
doubt any combination will go above 30mm without being problematically
tight.

I've also used a hanger in the same design as the 2nd one from Loose
Screws that Jim pointed you too. Mine was older and in steel, which
would allow for filing and still be strong enough. So I would try a
couple of service oriented LBS and see if they have one. The VO model
looks like it should work. Good luck.

Michael