Re: [RBW] ISO Frame Saver.

[Richard Rose]

For a long time the original stuff was from Peter Weigle, I thought. Perhaps it still is. Are Riv bikes not E.D. coated?

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On Dec 31, 2021, at 5:46 PM, Hugh Smitham <hughs...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,

Apparently problem solver purchased frame saver, as far as I can tell there are no online retailers selling an aerosol can of it,  perhaps it can't be shipped because it's an aerosol can under pressure?  Anyone know how I can get my hands on some? Maybe a retailer in the Los Angeles area? For obvious reasons most bike stores are closed today through January 3rd.

Happy New year!!

Hugh

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[Garth]

It's odd that the original post was removed shortly after it was posted. I tried to reply but it was gone.

I'll use Boeshield spray for my next frame.

FWIW, Progold has a "Steel Frame Protector" spray of their own. It's shipable from a few online retailers.

Frame Saver was bought by Problem Solvers, aka QBP.

https://www.bicycleretailer.com/product-tech/2019/08/15/frame-saver-becomes-problem-solvers-product-qbp

[Nick Payne]

According to this test, Fluid Film works best: https://www.mtbr.com/threads/anti-corrosion-product-shootout.1073581/.

Nick

[Peter Adler]

The downside of Fluid Film, IMHO, is that its name is accurate: It stays on the surface as a thin wet film. You have to wipe it off if you're going to put something else on (wax, paint etc.), which means losing whatever protection you were getting out of it. Probably OK as a corrosion protectant for inside frame tubes, as long as you don't expect it to do something else.

https://www.theruststore.com/Fluid-Film-1175-oz-Aerosol-P179C67.aspx

Also available over-the-counter at Lowe's Hardware - assuming you have a Lowe's within 50 miles, which I don't.

Peter Adler

who bought a can of Frame Saver recently because it was the only one he'd ever seen for sale, so he's damned well going to use it in

Berkeley, CA/USA

[Hugh Smitham]

Garth,

I deleted the original post because I answered the question for myself. 

Hugh

[M Talley]

Apologies, for the nerd-out dump:

 A few years ago I was getting to the end of a can of Weigle's Frame Saver and bought Fluid Film based on this video. There is compelling testing laid out here.
"Real World Undercoating Test: Fluid Film, NH Oil, Krown and More..."

When I went back to find that video I see the same youtuber has a new product he likes - Blaster Surface Shield Undercoating. This sounds similarly lanolin-based with an ability to penetrate nooks making it a better auto undercoating. Perhaps no better than FF for bikes?
"I Finally Found The Best Undercoating On The Market... Blaster Surface Shield"

It's repeated around the internet - lanolin-based coatings out-perform wax-based.

On the topic of ED coating. I've been curious why this treatment isn't more prevalent. An odd case: QBP and it's brands with steel models - some, but not all models are coated. From hands-on (around 2016-19) experience I've seen Surly and All City frames (Bridge Club and Space Horse) with ED coatings and a Salsa without (Vaya). ED is applied to Surly steel handlebars (Moloko, Corner, Sunrise). So is pretty durable - my guess: more durable than powder coating but below plating (nickel, chrome). 

Looking at the described application process it is understandable why ED adds cost. Info from Handsome Cycles (Link to Wikipedia within their statements goes deeper): https://handsomecycles.com/blogs/culture-guide/what-does-ed-coating-mean-for-bicycles

Mark

P.S.

All of that and for perspective there is Grant's observations on untreated steel:
"But if rust were the tube-killer the carb-al-ti folks would have you believe, there wouldn't be hundreds of thousands of 30-year old and routinely neglected steel-framed bicycle still roaming the planet." from here

[Mackenzy Albright]

I've used fluid film on all my bikes. I've ridden in salty northern Alberta winters (I'll soak down my chain and other exposed areas and it wipes of easy in spring). Standing water for several kilometers. And constant heavy rains in the Pacific Northwest and have had great results. It's inexpensive and easily available. I respray occasionally when I do a maintenance tear down, clean, and grease. I've also ridden 30+ year old touring bikes that and MTb's with no treatment and hardly any corrosion on the inside. Worst bikes I've worked on were found in alleys and damp garages. 

[Karl Wilcox]

I use a Lanolin based spray (Lanolin is sheep's wool grease) in all tubes-- it is highly water resistant: many years riding in English and Scottish winter weather with no corrosion on a 40 year Mercian.

Cheers,

Karl

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[Michael Williams]

Karl,   What form/ product do you buy for the lanolin based spray.   A quick search brings up sprays that are used to keep the undercarriage of cars from corroding.   Something like that?    -Mike

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[Karl Wilcox]

Mike,

I use a Lanolin based product called ‘Fluid Film’ here in the States.  It is formulated expressly to prevent metal corrosion.  When riding on ice and snow (and salt) I have also used it on my drivetrain, but that is an extreme measure.  I believe that Grant has also extolled the virtues of Lanolin in years past for protecting metal from the elements.

Cheers,

Karl

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[Michael Williams]

Great,   Thank you Karl!

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On Jan 5, 2022, at 7:41 AM, Karl Wilcox <kwi...@weimar.edu> wrote:

Mike,

I use a Lanolin based product called ‘Fluid Film’ here in the States.  It is formulated expressly to prevent metal corrosion.  When riding on ice and snow (and salt) I have also used it on my drivetrain, but that is an extreme measure.  I believe that Grant has also extolled the virtues of Lanolin in years past for protecting metal from the elements.

Cheers,

Karl

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