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Peter M
Jul 10, 2012, 10:53:12 PM7/10/12
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So a friend of mine (seriously, not me!) wants to know if this custom
on ebay will take a 650b/hetre conversion. I am not too familiar with
these older Rivs so thought I would ask if anyone here has done this
kind of thing. I would think the Dia-compe Mod 750s would get you the
reach but again, will the bb drop be too much and will it even fit the
Hetres or is this guy dreaming? He really wants a 650b/Hetre bike but
wants something more roady than the AHH/SH since he is only 135lbs.
Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/120947913999?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item1c290eb50f
on ebay will take a 650b/hetre conversion. I am not too familiar with
these older Rivs so thought I would ask if anyone here has done this
kind of thing. I would think the Dia-compe Mod 750s would get you the
reach but again, will the bb drop be too much and will it even fit the
Hetres or is this guy dreaming? He really wants a 650b/Hetre bike but
wants something more roady than the AHH/SH since he is only 135lbs.
Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/120947913999?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item1c290eb50f
cyclotourist
Jul 10, 2012, 11:16:51 PM7/10/12
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I don't think any Rivendells have ever had less than 70mm of drop. Unless it was a very custom-custom, plan on 70, and don't be surprised to have it be 72 or 73. That's on the edge of 650b compatibility. The 750s should work fine and I see a cable hanger in the front, but Tektro 559s would be perfect as well. Fitting Hetres would would just be a guess... maybe, maybe not. It's going to be a chunk of change for a guess if you can't confirm measurements from the seller.
I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's what he wants. It could be as "roadie" as he can afford! :-)
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I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's what he wants. It could be as "roadie" as he can afford! :-)
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Peter Morgano
Jul 10, 2012, 11:23:25 PM7/10/12
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Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot "heavy", while wanting simultanously to jump on the "650b Bandwagon." He did ride the AHH I had and loved it so I think I just need to turn the screws a bit tighter. I am tired of carrying around his stuff since his CF rig has no capacity at all and is really only good for going fast over smooth pavement in perfect weather, haha.
cyclotourist
Jul 10, 2012, 11:39:59 PM7/10/12
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Maybe try a 650b conversion on one of his current bikes? He wouldn't get Hetres on it, but maybe the GB Cyprès would fit. If he likes it at that point, he could then commit to getting a bike built for 650b and already have the wheelset and brakes ready to go.
Joe Bernard
Jul 10, 2012, 11:42:27 PM7/10/12
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Your friend needs to be disabused of the notion that the AHH is not a road bike. My Romulus was a pure 700c road bike like that Ebay Riv, and my AHH rode like the Romulus. Hilsen can be used for medium-load touring and gravel treks, but it is not a touring bike. It's a 650b road bike.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:23:25 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot "heavy", while wanting simultanously to jump on the "650b Bandwagon." He did ride the AHH I had and loved it so I think I just need to turn the screws a bit tighter. I am tired of carrying around his stuff since his CF rig has no capacity at all and is really only good for going fast over smooth pavement in perfect weather, haha.
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, cyclotourist <cyclot...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't think any Rivendells have ever had less than 70mm of drop. Unless it was a very custom-custom, plan on 70, and don't be surprised to have it be 72 or 73. That's on the edge of 650b compatibility. The 750s should work fine and I see a cable hanger in the front, but Tektro 559s would be perfect as well. Fitting Hetres would would just be a guess... maybe, maybe not. It's going to be a chunk of change for a guess if you can't confirm measurements from the seller.
I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's what he wants. It could be as "roadie" as he can afford! :-)
On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Peter M <uscpet...@gmail.com> wrote:
So a friend of mine (seriously, not me!) wants to know if this custom
on ebay will take a 650b/hetre conversion. I am not too familiar with
these older Rivs so thought I would ask if anyone here has done this
kind of thing. I would think the Dia-compe Mod 750s would get you the
reach but again, will the bb drop be too much and will it even fit the
Hetres or is this guy dreaming? He really wants a 650b/Hetre bike but
wants something more roady than the AHH/SH since he is only 135lbs.
Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bay
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/120947913999?pt=Road_Bikes&hash=item1c290eb50f
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Peter Morgano
Jul 10, 2012, 11:55:20 PM7/10/12
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I hear you Joe, I tried to sell him the 54 AHH but he kept saying it was too heavy, he is a good friend but this whole heavy vs light argument does get old so looking for him to take the plunge and get a nice practical ride. He does have an older Peugeot PX10 we could convert but with its 'racing" geometry it wont be nearly as comfortable as a nice AHH. Maybe a decent place to start though.
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tdusky
Jul 11, 2012, 9:43:07 AM7/11/12
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Most Riv customs have a lot drop 80mm like mine a long low not built for me, but it is the best riding bike I ever rode. Conversions with low bottom brackets are not recommended see… http://www.freewebs.com/650b/conversions.htm. Rivendell models are very stoutly built, for someone at 135 pounds they would not be a good bike, way too stiff, unless you want to carry over 100 pounds of stuff then the Homer would be a good choice. But with the custom they may have been made lighter. Contact Rivendell and see if you can find out how much the person weighted the bike was built for. Good luck
Tom Dusky
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ted
Jul 11, 2012, 7:01:23 PM7/11/12
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Peter,
I have an ~1980 Gios race bike that I like a lot and is about as light
as steel bikes get (light frame, light parts). Love that bike.
Thanks to you, I also have a lovely 56 AHH currently sporting GB
Cypres tires on velocity budget riv wheels. Love that bike too.
Now the AHH is certainly perceptibly heavier than the Gios when I pick
them up, but it feels quite light when I ride it.
If he really wants to give something different than his race rig a
try, he has missed a great opportunity by passing on your AHH.
I think your friend could benefit from getting clear in his own mind
what he really wants.
Has he looked at how heavy those Hetre's and the big ol tubes that go
in them are (tongue partly in cheek)?
If he wants to try an alternative to the weight weeny race rigs, he
should probably ease up on the frame weight goal.
You also might point out that the frame and fork are probably about
1/4th (or less) of the total bike weight.
To say an AHH is too heavy because of the frame overlooks the large
roll components play in the all up weight of a bike.
On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hear you Joe, I tried to sell him the 54 AHH but he kept saying it was
> too heavy, he is a good friend but this whole heavy vs light argument does
> get old so looking for him to take the plunge and get a nice practical
> ride. He does have an older Peugeot PX10 we could convert but with its
> 'racing" geometry it wont be nearly as comfortable as a nice AHH. Maybe a
> decent place to start though.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Your friend needs to be disabused of the notion that the AHH is not a road
> > bike. My Romulus was a pure 700c road bike like that Ebay Riv, and my AHH
> > rode like the Romulus. Hilsen can be used for medium-load touring and
> > gravel treks, but it is not a touring bike. It's a 650b road bike.
>
> > Joe Bernard
> > Vallejo, CA.
>
> > On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:23:25 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> >> Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure
> >> roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks
> >> of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot "heavy", while wanting
> >> simultanously to jump on the "650b Bandwagon." He did ride the AHH I had
> >> and loved it so I think I just need to turn the screws a bit tighter. I am
> >> tired of carrying around his stuff since his CF rig has no capacity at all
> >> and is really only good for going fast over smooth pavement in perfect
> >> weather, haha.
>
> >>>> 120947913999?pt=Road_Bikes&**hash=item1c290eb50f<http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/12094791399...>
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I have an ~1980 Gios race bike that I like a lot and is about as light
as steel bikes get (light frame, light parts). Love that bike.
Thanks to you, I also have a lovely 56 AHH currently sporting GB
Cypres tires on velocity budget riv wheels. Love that bike too.
Now the AHH is certainly perceptibly heavier than the Gios when I pick
them up, but it feels quite light when I ride it.
If he really wants to give something different than his race rig a
try, he has missed a great opportunity by passing on your AHH.
I think your friend could benefit from getting clear in his own mind
what he really wants.
Has he looked at how heavy those Hetre's and the big ol tubes that go
in them are (tongue partly in cheek)?
If he wants to try an alternative to the weight weeny race rigs, he
should probably ease up on the frame weight goal.
You also might point out that the frame and fork are probably about
1/4th (or less) of the total bike weight.
To say an AHH is too heavy because of the frame overlooks the large
roll components play in the all up weight of a bike.
On Jul 10, 8:55 pm, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I hear you Joe, I tried to sell him the 54 AHH but he kept saying it was
> too heavy, he is a good friend but this whole heavy vs light argument does
> get old so looking for him to take the plunge and get a nice practical
> ride. He does have an older Peugeot PX10 we could convert but with its
> 'racing" geometry it wont be nearly as comfortable as a nice AHH. Maybe a
> decent place to start though.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:42 PM, Joe Bernard <joerem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Your friend needs to be disabused of the notion that the AHH is not a road
> > bike. My Romulus was a pure 700c road bike like that Ebay Riv, and my AHH
> > rode like the Romulus. Hilsen can be used for medium-load touring and
> > gravel treks, but it is not a touring bike. It's a 650b road bike.
>
> > Joe Bernard
> > Vallejo, CA.
>
> > On Tuesday, July 10, 2012 8:23:25 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
>
> >> Good points, issue is my friend is coming out of the cold of pure
> >> roadieism and although he has shed his praise of 23mm tires he still thinks
> >> of anything not made Columbus Zona or whatnot "heavy", while wanting
> >> simultanously to jump on the "650b Bandwagon." He did ride the AHH I had
> >> and loved it so I think I just need to turn the screws a bit tighter. I am
> >> tired of carrying around his stuff since his CF rig has no capacity at all
> >> and is really only good for going fast over smooth pavement in perfect
> >> weather, haha.
>
> >> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 11:16 PM, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>> I don't think any Rivendells have ever had less than 70mm of drop.
> >>> Unless it was a very custom-custom, plan on 70, and don't be surprised to
> >>> have it be 72 or 73. That's on the edge of 650b compatibility. The 750s
> >>> should work fine and I see a cable hanger in the front, but Tektro 559s
> >>> would be perfect as well. Fitting Hetres would would just be a guess...
> >>> maybe, maybe not. It's going to be a chunk of change for a guess if you
> >>> can't confirm measurements from the seller.
>
> >>> I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's
> >>> what he wants. It could be as "roadie" as he can afford! :-)
>
>
> >>> I don't think any Rivendells have ever had less than 70mm of drop.
> >>> Unless it was a very custom-custom, plan on 70, and don't be surprised to
> >>> have it be 72 or 73. That's on the edge of 650b compatibility. The 750s
> >>> should work fine and I see a cable hanger in the front, but Tektro 559s
> >>> would be perfect as well. Fitting Hetres would would just be a guess...
> >>> maybe, maybe not. It's going to be a chunk of change for a guess if you
> >>> can't confirm measurements from the seller.
>
> >>> I'd recommend getting a 650B AHH and build it up super-light if that's
> >>> what he wants. It could be as "roadie" as he can afford! :-)
>
> >>> On Tue, Jul 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM, Peter M <uscpeter11...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>> So a friend of mine (seriously, not me!) wants to know if this custom
> >>>> on ebay will take a 650b/hetre conversion. I am not too familiar with
> >>>> these older Rivs so thought I would ask if anyone here has done this
> >>>> kind of thing. I would think the Dia-compe Mod 750s would get you the
> >>>> reach but again, will the bb drop be too much and will it even fit the
> >>>> Hetres or is this guy dreaming? He really wants a 650b/Hetre bike but
> >>>> wants something more roady than the AHH/SH since he is only 135lbs.
> >>>> Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bay
> >>>>http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-**Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/**
>
> >>>> So a friend of mine (seriously, not me!) wants to know if this custom
> >>>> on ebay will take a 650b/hetre conversion. I am not too familiar with
> >>>> these older Rivs so thought I would ask if anyone here has done this
> >>>> kind of thing. I would think the Dia-compe Mod 750s would get you the
> >>>> reach but again, will the bb drop be too much and will it even fit the
> >>>> Hetres or is this guy dreaming? He really wants a 650b/Hetre bike but
> >>>> wants something more roady than the AHH/SH since he is only 135lbs.
> >>>> Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bay
> >>>> 120947913999?pt=Road_Bikes&**hash=item1c290eb50f<http://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/12094791399...>
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Steve Palincsar
Jul 11, 2012, 7:56:52 PM7/11/12
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Maybe it's time to give up on him, tell him what he wants is a top of
the line Domane with carbon wheels and tubular tires, and he should stop
wasting his time looking at heavy old steel bikes.
the line Domane with carbon wheels and tubular tires, and he should stop
wasting his time looking at heavy old steel bikes.
Joe Bernard
Jul 11, 2012, 8:00:37 PM7/11/12
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It's not at all clear to me why he thinks a custom Rivendell Road frame would be appreciably lighter than a production Riv. You either want a Rivendell design or you don't.
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
rcnute
Jul 11, 2012, 8:02:23 PM7/11/12
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FWIW the ebay seller is a good dude with a lot of nice bikes.
I think it should be left as 700c.
Ryan
> Just spitballing here, thanks all. Link to bike on the Bayhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/2002-Rivendell-Road-custom-57-cm-/12094791399...
I think it should be left as 700c.
Ryan
Peter Morgano
Jul 11, 2012, 8:03:18 PM7/11/12
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He would like that, haha! But he is a good riding buddy because he is always up for some nice midnight rides which is the only real time that is nice to ride around brooklyn in the summer I find. Like I said, he just needs to see that a bike can be both practical and "fast." It does get old when he and some other friends let me know how much thier bikes weigh. Like there is any freaking difference between 19lbs and 23lbs that you could justify spending money on CF cranks, wheels and whatnot.
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Back to the OP. To check any old steel bike for Hetre clearance you usually run out of room behind the BB, between the chainstays. Just glancing at the photos, my honest guess is 'no freaking way'. Maybe you could go pari motos, but even that might need some stay squishing. Have the seller measure for you. The fork crown also does not look wide enough for a Hetre, but there a Pari Moto might work without squishing anything. BB drop is an issue, and in general makes Rivendells bad candidates for 700-to-650 conversions, as everybody has already said. If the only deal-killer on a Hilsen is that it's too heavy, but he doesn't mind the $2000 pricetag, then he can get a really nice 650B racing frame for $2000 from any number of competent builders.
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