Color Question from an Indecisive Person

[Peter M]

So my Bombadil is taking a short trip over to the Color Factory in
Waretown. Even though thier prices seem scarily low Bruce was awesome
on the phone so I am gonna take the leap soon. The only issue is I
have never gotten a re-spray and I am having angina over which color
is most appropriate for the twin TT bomba. I wanted something
metallic, maybe a dark purple or a soft orange, as you can see I am
worlds apart even in my own mind. Anyone have any pics of thier
bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas?

[Jim Mather]

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Peter M <uscpet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Anyone have any pics of thier
> bombadil they can share so I can play off some ideas?
>

I'm partial to clear coat over bare metal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/8155803596/in/photostream

But purple and orange sound good too.

jim m
wc ca

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic was on the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who was asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another... All I really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said: "It's sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."

[Garth]

I luv me some metallic paint also :)

Here's mine in Imron 4418 Lt. Frost Green Metallic

http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4076/4952416848_a31bc7751d_b.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4075/4860362770_e81b8b02f2_b.jpg
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4073/4860392084_69e20e8533_b.jpg

If you don't have an Imron color chart , here's one :
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:r_8uNY5Cmk0J:www.campyonly.com/images/joebell/imron.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgV73Xj7k_e5ZBOH4Bq81tZXiJhIyYm7yTuO05m8xQe0iDbyDdI84bLRN9n6r61iS6lLPbpmHBnKbNwcdSrxX-1qk_P1pwZPskWTtmvE7o_0WXkQQIOkpRuBC1umXO10xgDZ2EK&sig=AHIEtbRNmVvVP5Rfz91xXmPxdYNmpqn-rQ
www.campyonly.com/images/joebell/imron.pdf

[Peter Morgano]

Hahaha, I am the opposite, where I cant give anyone an accurate description. I would honestly prefer they just do whatever they want and I will love it, there is really no color that I don't like, outside of neons. Understandably, most shops are not comfortable with that arrangement for obvious reasons.  Oh the life of a chronically indecisive person, the frame has been sitting next to my bed this long while I waxed and waned about where to just send the damn thing.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <thil...@gmail.com> wrote:

I have no color advice, but I was reminded of a phone conversation I overheard years ago when I worked at another shop. A jaded mechanic was on the phone for a long time with an apparently neurotic customer, who was asking for a verbal description of a color of something or another... All I really remember was the mechanic doing a perfect deadpan as he said: "It's sorta halfway between asinine and muted puce."

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[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

When I ordered my custom frame from Curt Goodrich, I asked Curt to pick the color. He wasn't super comfortable with that idea.

[Peter Morgano]

Garth, that is one pretty bike. I love the way it picks up the light. Thanks for the color chart, maybe if I can whittle it down to 5-6 colors in the next week I will be at least closer. :)

[Greg J]

There's a dark purple rambouillet on the cyclofiend website, I think, which looks stunning.  And I'm not even a fan of purple normally.  Definitely check it out.

[René Sterental]

I had the same issue when trying to choose custom colors. First one was on the Bombadil, and after choosing an almost black dark green found that the painter either chose another dark green color due to him not having the Imron one I had chosen, or that the color I chose looked completetely different when painted on the frame vs. what I had imagined it would look like. Could never tell, but learned a valuable lesson: Colors look different in charts than they do on real objects!

 

I was dissapointed with the Bombadil's color, but luckily, the current owner just loved it.

 

When I needed to repaint the Atlantis, after much debate and going back and forth, as well as countless photo reviews on Flickr, I decided that Grant's original color choice was the best option for it. I asked the painter (Riv's local painter) to repaint it with the original Atlantis colors and just added a panel on the downtube with a different decal to differentiate it from the stock configuration and make it unique and personal. The color came out very lovely, but when compared side by side with the original fork, it's different. I was already warned to expect that, but does it mean that there isn't a single official color, that the different painters use different brands with colors that are supposed to be equivalent or that the quality control at Imron sucks? Or, perhaps, that the effects of time and sun on the paint will change it?

 

Now I have to send the Hunqapillar for a repaint since it's got its new fork, the one thing I know is that I don't like the original gray color. Funnily enough, when the painter gave the new fork a quick coat of gray paint so I could start riding it right away, the gray coat he gave matches the original color from Japan perfectly...

 

Still, I had originally thought to have it repainted in silver, after seeing some great photos of a silver Atlantis. He suggested going to pewter instead, and after finding photos of another pewter Atlantis (I believe) online, I started going back and forth and am still undecided...

 

Isn't it funny how a simple choice can be so difficult to make?

 

René

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 1:08 PM, IanA <atte...@gmail.com> wrote:

Orange.

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[Marty]

I love my silver Bombadil, and have had others painted silver as well. Very forgiving as to the nuances that show up in other colors. You can add color on a whim with new bar tape and bags, and it changes the whole vibe. Here's the latest version with eggplant tape:

 http://tinyurl.com/bzftcxu

Marty

[Colin Bortner]

I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
pick the color.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery

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[Steve Palincsar]

It does put a huge burden on the builder, I think. It's easier if you
have to choose from a restricted range of choices, especially if the
builder has chosen several that he thinks work particularly well with
that type of bike. "Sky is the limit" really doesn't work, as not all
colors or schemes work with all types of bikes.

In the case of Rivendells, it seems to me practically all their colors
harmonize with and reflect the sort of color schemes you see in photos
of where they ride on Diablo, and to me it's part of the Rivendell
signature.

There are plenty of colors that would look great on a Kirk, Richard
Sachs or a Peter Weigle that would just plain look wrong on a Rivendell.

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

I was recently in a similar quandary... with a custom bike build. I gave the builder some ideas of colors that I like and told him whatever it was I wanted it to be kind of muted. I left the final color choice up to him. My thought being that whatever the color, it would be fine. There will likely be times when I wish it was something different and other times when it is the perfect color. I'm kind of excited about the surprise. The bike's still at the painter so not sure how this approach will work out. 

Happy Choosing,

Smitty

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 10:39:52 AM UTC-8, Peter M wrote:

[Kelly]

On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.   

I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up pretty good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal is annoying the hell out of me.    I'm thinking of going back to D&D for standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?   

I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat but don't know.... 

Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are stock colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are going to look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk of thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.  

Kelly

[René Sterental]

That silver Bombadil looks so beautiful...

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[Peter Morgano]

I do love silver, my preferred choice in cars back when I drove. I do love the purple playing off the silver. Anyone know the email address for Bruce at the Color Factory? He said he would be mailing me out a packet of info but he also mentioned something about an email with the color list he would send out, unfortunatly I got too wrapped up talking to remember it.

[René Sterental]

I think I made the mistake of attaching a large photo to my post as I got an email from the Mail Delivery Subsystem stating that my message was too large. I don't know if it was posted, so apologies for potentially sending a duplicate.

 

René

[René Sterental]

I was able to track down the original photo of the Atlantis in pewter that has me drooling over that color choice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107210911/

 

You can see how lovely it is, and also how loverly the silver looks on the Bombadil... which one to choose? Still have a week or two to keep changing my mind before I take the Hunqapillar apart and take it to D&D...

 

René

[Michael]

Get it in metallic. My vote is for favorite color of OP in metallic.

 

 

[ted]

> I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat
> but don't know....

I guess powder coat may be less scratch prone than paint but I gather
it's not as effective at preventing rust underneath it.
What have folks heard or experienced wrt two part polymer paints vs
powder coat?

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[Joe Bernard]

I like the metallic pewter on my Saluki. It's close to the flat grey Mark-at-Riv prefers on his customs (which I think is also the old Hunqa color), but the metallic brightens it up when the sun hits it. From certain angles on certain days, I'd swear I see a hint of pink/violet peeking through...very pretty.

 

As someone else mentioned, this kind of "neutral" color is excellent as a base for "repainting" with different-colored bartape, cables, saddles and such. Mine is currently rather conservative with a black/silver mix of parts/cables, but someday I'll go nuts and add red tape, cables and waterbottle. Just for giggles. :-)

 

Joe Bernard

Vallejo, CA.

[Peter Morgano]

I looked into PC, it seems like alot is in the prep, which you unfortunately cannot really see unless you are watching the guy and know what you are looking at, alot of acid baths and undercoatings that go unmentioned usually. I think the epoxy primers most paint shops use nowadays are superior at blocking moisture from getting to the raw steel and are therefore a bit more forgiving than an ok powder coat. Plus it seems like the cost of PC has gone up everywhere. Bruce quoted me less thann $200 for the whole job which is what my local guy was gonna charge me to powder coat. Shame sometimes I dont own a car since I am gonna have to ship it 2 1/2 hours away to NJ, but with the cost of gas to get there and back maybe coming out even in the end.

[James Warren]

Copy Amit's grey with kidney bean headtube and panels. Ya know, that classic scheme used on the Hunqapillar. It looks really good with twin TT's.

[Jim Mather]

Here's a nice orange Bomba:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/7150235995/in/photostream/

And a nice orange double TT Bomba:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/4779108114/in/faves-20986098@N04/

[Garth]

Yes Peter ... metallics are wonderful because the colors change with the light :)  

Check out the orange metallics also , like 44467 Dk. Persimmon Met. and 44471 Burnt Orange Met.  They do not show a lighter shade of orange on the charts, but a Seminole Red Met. h7994 looks rather cool to me.  It is more of an orange red than "red".  I have found no reference for a bike frame to be painted as such , so it would be surely unique !   If I repaint mine it may be this !   The metallics in particular are really hard to judge online , as in the sun the metallics really shine and change appearance !

[Shaun Meehan]

Orange. Absolutely.

Shaun "still-waiting-for-Grandpa's-Pine-Tar-Brown" Meehan

[allenmichael]

I remember a picture of Jimmy Carter on what looked like a Root-Beer Brown custom (on an Atlantis pic page). That would be a great Bombadil color.  I dream of an Orange Custom (has anyone seen the second season of the hour? there is one episode where Belle wears an amazing orange dress—i want a bike that color), but the Bombadil cries out for something even earthier.

Michael Allen

Here is the link.  My top choice for Bombadil color.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/22432095@N03/2844653628/

[Garth]

I knew I had seen a Burnt Orange one online, and I found it !  Imron #44471, Burnt Orange Metallic
Nice !

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11828914@N07/4039900736/in/photostream/

and a Saluki that appears the same color : http://www.flickr.com/photos/61645455@N03/5611410003/in/photostream/

[William]

The nice orange double TT one is mine.  Powder coat with matching Bullmoose

[Kelly]

William, sweet bike!   So do you notice a difference in the power coat verse wet paint? 

[Christopher Murray]

I really like the Hunqa green. I had my SimpleOne painted that color. It is still in the box as I am trying to get the rest of the parts together and find the time to build it. I peek inside every so often and it is just amazing. Can't go wrong with one of the stock colors- Riv chooses great colors!

Cheers!
cm

[Zack]

Well, the best part is, no matter what color you choose, the bike will be beautiful.

I have a dark blue/purpley(blackberry!) metallic Sam, and love it.  http://www.flickr.com/photos/36386964@N00/7516243896/in/photostream/

 

[Lynne Fitz]

I'm in the same boat.  My Bleriot was wrecked last week (I am so lucky to be typing this), and it is either a new bike or getting it repaired.  And, of course, repainted.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/sets/72157632430316656/with/8356816688/

I think I would want a green.  Maybe Atlantis green.  Maybe a custom green - that Frost Green Metallic is on my list.  Choices.  Or Pewter. Or...

[Peter Morgano]

Yowza, that pic of a squished fork gave me a sad. I am glad you are ok. I guess since you already shelled out for the couplers it would pay to have it re-done. I know Bilenky will do a once color finish for a good price.  There are a few paints pretty close to what you had but again there are just so many nice colors for a Rivendell. I am leaning towards Dark Persimmon Metallic since mine is a pretty big bike. Something in my brain tells me bigger bikes should be darker colors while small ones can be more flamboyant, maybe all those years of BMX where it was cool to rock some pink wheels with a turquoise seat, it was the 80s after all, haha.

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[Peter Morgano]

Lynne, after looking at those buckled top and down tubes maybe best to just move on and get a Sam or Betty/Gomez. Then again I know how personally invested people can be in a bike but just my 2 cents.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Lynne:

 

Last to the party, but so sorry to hear about (and SEE, on Flickr – yikes!) your Bleriot.  So glad you’re OK.  I had my Bombadil painted by Bilenky – it came out absolutely beautiful.

 

Re color, I honestly think it’s hard to go wrong with Riv frames, especially with the cream headtube, but I do love my Atlantis in Pewter; a pic is reposted here (apologies for those who’ve peeked before):  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107210911/in/set-72157624427413755  The color number is in the comments.

 

Hope you’re feeling better!

 

Tom

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[Lee Chae]

Hey Riv listers. Here's a great resource for colors: http://paintref.com/paintref/index.shtml. The site provides color codes, samples, and sometimes pics, for a large number of automobile makes and years. So, if you've always liked the baby blue on a '67 Mustang or the cool color range on 1970s Beetles and Westfalias, check it out. Caveat: May make you more indecisive on color choice.

Lee
SF, CA

[steel lugs]

Lynne - Am also sorry to hear about your Bleriot and glad you're OK... Like Tom, I also went with Pewter/Cream when I special ordered my Rambouillet and haven't couldn't be more satisfied with how well it came out.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38991087@N05/4482258943/in/photostream

Have fun with whatever color you ultimately decide on!

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Here are some close images of the clear powder coat on an early Bombadil prototype -

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc452-bombadilproto0208.html

GP's early Hilsen proto also had a similar finish -

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/507828696/

Most of the clear powder frames I've seen have looked pretty close to those. 

It is clear powder coat.  There have been some reports (archives?) of surface rust showing up under the powder coat.

Clear coat as used over paint would be  much, much worse.  I've seen a few of those and they are much more porous and rust within a short period.

- J

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 12:57:00 PM UTC-8, El Sapo wrote:

I like the bare metal look alot. Is that clear paint or clear powder over the bare metal? Is there any color diference at the lugs? Can you see the material used to connect the tubes to the lugs? I've seen bare metal fillet brazed bikes and the color difference between the steel tubes and the "gold" brazed areas looks pretty cool. 

 

I also wonder if you've had any issues with rust? I'm in the Seems like I read something from Grant where he said he wasn't going to send out bare metal frames because the finish wasn't holding up. 

 

I'm partial to clear coat over bare metal:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/8155803596/in/photostream

But purple and orange sound good too.

jim m
wc ca

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

I had a clearcoat (Riv called it Raw Clear Powdercoat) over bare metal Bombadil http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4249456177/in/set-72157624552118742/ , which has now been repainted http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/4815169169/in/set-72157624552118742/ , as it was showing some rust under the clear.  But I would note two things: (i) my bike was being stored within 30 feet of a salt water back bay, and you can’t get a much worse environment for a steel frame than that, regardless of whether it’s painted, color powdered or clearcoated; and (ii) the rust didn’t look bad, in fact it was pretty cool – I just got a little panicky, probably because it was my first foray into the higher priced steel frames, and I didn’t want to take a risk.  In retrospect, I wish I’d left it – it looked great.

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[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Peter:

 

I had two frames painted by Bruce, both for less than $200, and both came out great.  One was a 1985 MB-2 (sort of Riv content?), here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/6708095501/in/set-72157628383880621  The other was an early ‘80s (I think) Nishiki mixte frameset that he repainted (along with an old Simplex chainguard and a set of VO Zeppelin fenders) for a Christmas gift for my daughter-in-law, in Candy Apple Red, here:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7161292749/in/set-72157627582881347/ and here, with the chainguard:  http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7346233742/in/set-72157627582881347/ .  Total cost for two framesets, a set of fenders and the chainguard (with cream inset on the guard and a cream headtube on the mixte) was around $450.  And everything looked great – almost (but not!) too good to be true.

 

Tom

 

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[Peter Morgano]

Thomas,

 

Yeah Bruce seems like a straight shooter who does pretty good work.  I only wish I had a car to drive it out there rather than wasting money with UPS for shipping and risking having them screw it up. All of my friends are hippy liberals who own either fixies or cargo bikes so no help there, haha. I guess while I scare up a box I can obsesses over what color exactly that I want... I will post when the bike comes back, I am sure I will be happy whatever it is once I am riding it again.

[Peter Morgano]

Oh, and dont let my wife see that Nishiki or she will want me to re-finish hers, its so nicely finished with the matching fenders and "cute' bags as she would say. Wifes Nishiki mixte currently a dark pewter metallic, which is lovely but well used. There is always mothers day!

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[Jim M.]

On Wednesday, January 9, 2013 12:57:00 PM UTC-8, El Sapo wrote:

I like the bare metal look alot. Is that clear paint or clear powder over the bare metal? Is there any color diference at the lugs? Can you see the material used to connect the tubes to the lugs? 

 

I also wonder if you've had any issues with rust? 

My frame looks a lot like the close-ups that are on Cyclofiend's website. There is some patina, but I'm not concerned about it. If it looks like it's getting too bad, I'll get the frame re-finished, probably with clear again. 

jim m

wc ca 

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Rene, you won’t regret this color – it’s even better in person, and especially in the sun.

 

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I was able to track down the original photo of the Atlantis in pewter that has me drooling over that color choice. http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/7107210911/

 

You can see how lovely it is, and also how loverly the silver looks on the Bombadil... which one to choose? Still have a week or two to keep changing my mind before I take the Hunqapillar apart and take it to D&D...

 

René

 

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:27 PM, René Sterental <orth...@gmail.com> wrote:

I think I made the mistake of attaching a large photo to my post as I got an email from the Mail Delivery Subsystem stating that my message was too large. I don't know if it was posted, so apologies for potentially sending a duplicate.

 

René

 

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Peter Morgano <uscpet...@gmail.com> wrote:

I do love silver, my preferred choice in cars back when I drove. I do love the purple playing off the silver. Anyone know the email address for Bruce at the Color Factory? He said he would be mailing me out a packet of info but he also mentioned something about an email with the color list he would send out, unfortunatly I got too wrapped up talking to remember it.

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:17 PM, René Sterental <orth...@gmail.com> wrote:

That silver Bombadil looks so beautiful...

 

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 4:56 PM, Kelly <tksl...@gmail.com> wrote:

On our Custom Bilenky tandem we told them painters choice.. I'm ok with it.. Dawn is kinda freaking out.   

 

I need to send my Bombadil in for a repaint.. I've scratched it up pretty good which is ok.. but the bike rack that ravaged my seat tube decal is annoying the hell out of me.    I'm thinking of going back to D&D for standard color repaint and decaling.. or is that just plain boring?   

 

I do know I want something a little tougher and thought about powder coat but don't know.... 

 

Dawn has custom colors on her Atlantis and Roadeo, all of mine are stock colors... hmmm stock colors are so easy and I know what they are going to look like.. :)  Sheesh now you have me in a mindless circle jerk of thoughts and to think I thought I had my mind made up.  

 

Kelly

On Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:38:19 PM UTC-6, Colin B. wrote:

I'm in that camp. If I were to get a custom, I'd ask the builder to
pick the color.

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[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Peter, I’m not sure Bruce has an e-mail.  Phone is (609) 242-0665.

 

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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 8:22 PM
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Color Question from an Indecisive Person

 

I do love silver, my preferred choice in cars back when I drove. I do love the purple playing off the silver. Anyone know the email address for Bruce at the Color Factory? He said he would be mailing me out a packet of info but he also mentioned something about an email with the color list he would send out, unfortunatly I got too wrapped up talking to remember it.

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[Marty]

FYI, The Silver color I've used a couple times is Imron 44401 Pewter Grey Metallic. Joe Bell used it on my Proteus SS here:

 http://tinyurl.com/bkhgtmw

My Bombadil may not be exactly the same (not JB) but it's really close to the same silver. When I trashed the fork on the Proteus, I had a new one made and JB painted it to match.  It was a few years later, but you would be hard pressed to tell the difference.