New Wavie Bar Photos

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

After hearing about the upcoming Wavie handlebars from Bill Lindsay in this post, I took his suggestion to ask Riv if they would send some photos ahead of the catalog arrival. Vince came through, and also mentioned that the bars are 66 cm wide with a 25.4 mm diameter at the clamp, and they should arrive at Rivendell next month in their Nitto shipment. So (with Vince's permission), here they are. They look great!

Bob E

Cranford, New Jersey

[tc]

Thanks for posting, Bob!  Guessing that's a 90 or 100 stem.  Most obvious comparison is likely the largest Ahearne+Map bar at 610 wide and a 25mm rise.  It appears the wavie has some rise to it, too.  Looks like the wavie will have more room for shifting your hands around, compared to A+M.  Thinking about an alternate bar for the Atlantis, and this might be it.

Tom

[sameness]

Excellent, thanks for the intel! I've not been able to make friends with my Jitensha bars, and I've been hesitant to buy Ahearnes just to net a little extra width. These might be them!

Jeff Hagedorn

Los Angeles, CA USA

[Eric Daume]

It’s like a Rivendell Mary bar. 

Small snarkiness aside, I’m glad they’re doing a wider bar. 

Eric

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[iamkeith]

This in ADDITION to th "billie bar?" Wow, they are slaying it.

[nash...@gmail.com]

Those look nice. Same width as surly open bars but less angle. I also wonder about rise.

[Chris Lampe 2]

Does anyone know if this is a Riv exclusive?

[Bill Lindsay]

I’m pretty sure all new Riv bars are Riv exclusive, but I’m not positive. Why would it matter?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca

[Clayton.sf]

looks like that simworks bar.

Clayton Scott
SF, CA

[Chris Lampe 2]

It looks similar to another bar I ruled out for various reasons but if this is not a bar that is already out there under another name, it may be different enough to consider.  

[Joe Bernard]

I don't get the "Rivendell Mary" reference.

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree they look good.  For those wanting to see rise, to my eye they looked completely planar, like a wide Jitensha bar, as others pointed out.  The place they put your hands remind me of where the original bullmoose bars put your hands, but maybe even wider.  They pull your hands back to where they are about even with the stem bolt. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

[Eric Daume]

The On One Mary was a very early “alt” bar similar to this. A bit narrower at 645mm, and it has some rise.  

Eric

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

I don't get the "Rivendell Mary" reference.

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[Ron Mc]

The bar gets my vote, totally sold on my Map bars.  fwiw, I liked the Riv's own Mary bar simile - I think they needed one after all the U-shaped bars they've offered for so long.  

If you want to sit bolt upright, a U-shaped bar is probably what you want, but if you want a bit more aggressive riding posture, this looks like it - without going all the way to a straight bar.  

I've never understood wide straight bars - hands just aren't shaped like that.  .  

Comparing Jitensha with Map, the longer ends on the sweep are what make the Map bar nice.  Looks like Riv Wavie has the same sweep of the Map bar with an extra cm added to the center straight section.  

 throwing upt the bare Map bar for comparison

[Jeremy Tavan]

I'm very pleased with my MAP bars on my Kogswell - they're really a great balance between full-forward drop/flat bar and full-upright Albatross/Choco/whatever. I'll definitely give this one a try once available. It has a good look. I find that a fully-upright position works poorly for me - I generally end up feeling cramped. The only bike I've been able to use an Albatross on is a super-long-top-tube Clem Smith Jr, with a very long stem.

[tc]

That longer center section on either side of the stem is a really nice touch, adding another useful hand position.  

Here's a pic of the (L to R):

• Albastache (26 stem clamp, 23.8 brake clamp, 555 wide, 25 drop/rise)
  
  
• Ahearne+Map (25.4 clamp, 22.2 brake clamp, 610 wide, 25 drop/rise)
  
  
• Jitensha (26 or 31.8 stem clamp, 22.2 brake clamp, 580 wide, 0 drop/rise)
  
  
• Bosco 55 (25.4 stem clamp, 22.2 brake clamp, 550 wide, 106 rise)
  

[Joe Bernard]

Jeremy: That's my issue, too. I love the look and hand position of North Road-type bars, but I always end up chopping the ends even on bikes with fairly long toptubes. I recently put a V-O Milan bar (similar shape) on my Pashley and the semi-swept position with Ergon grips works great. I have a chopped Choco on my Cheviot which I'm kinda struggling with..this Wavie Bar may be the solution for that bike.

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I don't ride drops so I've become the queen of Alt Bars it seems.  I've tried all that you mentioned and just recently put the Jones H-bar on my Cheviot.  This Jones bar is the "simple one" that doesn't have the extended loop on it - so it looks like the MAP bars that I happen to have on my QB.  I also prefer the slightly more aggressive position.  Still comfortable but not sitting like Mary Poppins.

[tc]

Spencer says the Wavie will hopefully be available in Jan or Feb 2019.  Probably heat treated Alum first, followed by cromo.  

Tom

[jeffrey kane]

I like the "idea" of this bar and have been toying with pulling the trigger on a MAP/Ahearne. I did just set up a Billie to replace a Choco Norm on my daily ride ... but again, I keep thinking about those MAP's. I've tried other bars with that shape but haven't been pleased as they're usually too shallow in the return. I do like the return (or sweep) angles of Alba's, Choco's and the new Billie even though I find myself riding towards the front of those bars the majority of the time (it's really the super slow times and weird tight NYC traffic traversing where the upright full sweep does come in handy for me). 

So that said, using the incredibly helpful whatbars.com I've come to think that the new Velo Orange Curvy One bar looks possibly like an even a better fit for me than the MAP. And since RIV is working closely with whatbars.com now I suspect that they'll forward a drawing of the Wavie to them soon enough to make a comparison.

My main hesitation with the V/O bar is that 31.8 clamp! I mean, really ... well, that and the fact that all of these bars at 610 to 660 are getting pretty darn wide for a city boy -- and I used to think Alba's were wide for gawds sake.

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 8:09:31 PM UTC-4, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

[tc]

I lean in the opposite direction, preferring less of a straight back return.  Such bars force the elbows inward, and, to me, steering feels more like pushing rather than something that coordinates with the lean into a turn.  Of course neither is right nor wrong, just diff strokes.  I also think the avg speed one is going, along with the amount of leverage required for the riding conditions, determines largely what most folks are comfortable with.

As a 'shallow' return bar, for folks with medium to wide shoulders, the A+M and the Jones bars are a dream come true.  I'm hoping the Wavie, which looks to be a slightly wider A+M with a longer straight section on either side of the stem, will be even better!

Tom

On Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 1:09:25 PM UTC-5, jeffrey kane wrote:

...I've tried other bars with that shape but haven't been pleased as they're usually too shallow in the return. I do like the return (or sweep) angles of Alba's, Choco's and the new Billie even though I find myself riding towards the front of those bars the majority of the time (it's really the super slow times and weird tight NYC traffic traversing where the upright full sweep does come in handy for me).... 

[Victor Hanson]

Straight up rip off of Sycip's JNJ bar and the On-one Mary......

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 5:09:31 PM UTC-7, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

[ian m]

Nitto also makes the Kite bar, which I believe is the exact same except 63cm wide instead of 66

[Justin, Oakland]

At this point bars are mostly iterative improvements of others. Who cares? It’s a wonderful time to be able to get a wide variety of high quality bars for your bike.

-J

[a spens]

Well said, Justin.  Two thumbs up.

[Brett Callahan]

One of the criticisms of Rivendell/Grant that I see frequently is that they're slow to respond to trends. Here, they've brought out a bar similar to a whole host of others in a nice finish made by a great manufacturer and they get criticized for that, too. Go figure.

[Eric Daume]

Yes, but it’s literally years after many similar bars we’re introduced. On One had their Fleegle with a similar shape at least 10 years ago. 

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019, Brett Callahan <brettjc...@gmail.com> wrote:

One of the criticisms of Rivendell/Grant that I see frequently is that they're slow to respond to trends.  Here, they've brought out a bar similar to a whole host of others in a nice finish made by a great manufacturer and they get criticized for that, too.  Go figure. 

[Bob Lovejoy]

I am hoping the Wavie bars find their way to whatbars.com soon...  Does anyone know if they are already there but under a different name?

[Joe Bernard]

Riv *has* been selling a similar bend for years with the original Bullmoose. I believe the Wavie Bar exists because they're introducing a trail bike with a threadless steerer.

[Kevin Mulcahy]

Now, On-One is a company who has business strategy involves blatantly ripping off company’s designs and undercuting them on price. See the “Geoff” handlebar for example. Not really a company you want to be citing as a victim here. I’ve never seen such a brazen ripoff and it really irks me. Even the name is insulting to Jeff Jones.

I don’t think the Wavy bar is ground breaking or totally reductive. It is a little narrow, IMO, for an trail-riding bar.

[Joe Bernard]

Being narrower may qualify as a worthy difference. 660 still seems wide to me, I've cut down several mtb bars to get to that number.

[Drw]

The whole idea is ridiculous. even if this was a rip off (i don't think it is), hasn't riv introduced or pushed for enough things (to their own financial detriment) that other companies copy and sell cheaper years later, that they've earned the right?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes it's ridiculous and we should probably stop reacting to the troll. Hence, why I deleted my first reaction to the troll.

[Patrick Moore]

LOL! I say the following in response to those who express this sentiment, not to Brett: NO SHIT!

Grant has built an entire business empire on purposely and very deliberately violating and defying trends!

[James Warren]

Exactly!

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[Brett Callahan]

And Grant was into disc brakes before they were cool. Just with, y'know, bigger discs.... :)

[Bill Lindsay]

I agree.  Anybody who thinks the Wavie is a copy of a Fleegle, or a Mary, or a JJ, or a JJJ bar either is deliberately overlooking the differences between those bars, or they are similarly griping on other forums about how EVERY current manufacturer of a drop bar is copying the original design for the drop handlebar. 

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[tc]

My Wavie arrived today.  It looks just like I hoped ... a tad wider @660mm than the 610 Ahearne+Map, and a tad more room on either side of the stem clamp area for what hopefully will be another realistic hand position.  I'll take some comparison pic's this weekend, mount it on my Atlantis, and share some thoughts.

Tom

[Collin A]

I eagerly await your comparison thoughts, I'm looking at a potential shift to the wavies as well!

[lconley]

Wavie vs, Jones SG 2.5, very similar, Wavies are a little straighter, Jones have a little more straight bar at the ends:

Laing

Cocoa FL

[Chip Martens]

Hey Bob,

I just messaged Riv today and it sounds like they're going to send me the drawings soon to add to the site. Keep an eye on my Instagram updates for when they're up!

[a spens]

This picture answers a lot of questions I had about the Wavies.  Sincere thanks for posting it, Laing.

Time now to go order some

Al

[tc]

As promised, here's a short review of the Wavie.  I removed the 610 Ahearne+Map (A+M) -- which I love -- and installed the Wavie today.  Then took'er out for a 13 mile spin.  

Pics of the A+M and the Wavie on the Atlantis here.

I'll include 1 inline pic below of the 660 Wavie (top), 610 A+M, and 560 Albatross:

Looks:

It's a nicely-proportioned bar.  Along with the beefier Nano 2.1s, it gives the Atlantis even more of a roughneck look, which I like.    This bar is as flat as a pancake, unlike the A+M, which has a 25mm rise.  The original Atlantis is a great-looking bike IMHO, and ... the Wavie ... is the gravy ;)

Comfort:

Wavie is minutely better for me than the A+M because it's 50mm (1.96") wider.  Riders with wider shoulders may notice and appreciate this ever so slight advantage when out on the grips.  Angle is great, just like A+M; the Wavie has a slightly shallower back sweep angle, but I found this insignificant.  Another really comfortable, more athletic position is placing hands at the bends, with thumbs curled under the bar.  Today was kinda chilly, and this position would have been even more comfortable had I wrapped the bars (I only had thin cycling gloves, so the chill from the cold bar migrated straight to my hands quickly).  When installing it I rotated the bar so the bar ends angled very slightly downward, arriving at what felt right by straddling the bike and rotating until it felt right.  I didn't have to adjust anything on my ride.

Function:

Not significantly different from the A+M.  Both bars offer more than adequate leverage when in or out of the saddle.  The sweep back angle is natural, and you don't even think about it ... which is perfect.  No wrist nor elbow pain.  No significant difference in the amount of space available to mount bag straps, at least for the Acorn Handlebar bag I use, which is 28cm (11") wide and fits fine on both bars.

Bottom line:  

If you already have a **610** A+M bar ($65) and like it, I would find it hard to recommend you spend $97 for a Wavie.  I'd recommend that you apply that $$ towards another component.  But if you have the narrower 575 A+M, and you feel you need a wider bar, I'd recommend the Wavie first because (a)you'll be supporting Riv, and (b)might as well get the extra 50mm it offers over the 660 A+M.

Hope that helps,

Tom

[esoterica etc]

Hey Tom,

Great review and pics of the bars, thanks! So just wondering... since you now have the Wavie and it seems like you prefer it, are you looking to sell the Ahearne bar? ‘Cause I’m interested in it if you are.....

~Mark 

On Feb 9, 2019, at 19:19, tc <tdc...@gmail.com> wrote:

As promised, here's a short review of the Wavie.  I removed the 610 Ahearne+Map (A+M) -- which I love -- and installed the Wavie today.  Then took'er out for a 13 mile spin.  

Pics of the A+M and the Wavie on the Atlantis here.

I'll include 1 inline pic below of the 660 Wavie (top), 610 A+M, and 560 Albatross:

<Wavie_Ahearne+Map_Albatross56.jpg>

Looks:

It's a nicely-proportioned bar.  Along with the beefier Nano 2.1s, it gives the Atlantis even more of a roughneck look, which I like.    This bar is as flat as a pancake, unlike the A+M, which has a 25mm rise.  The original Atlantis is a great-looking bike IMHO, and ... the Wavie ... is the gravy ;)

Comfort:

Wavie is minutely better for me than the A+M because it's 50mm (1.96") wider.  Riders with wider shoulders may notice and appreciate this ever so slight advantage when out on the grips.  Angle is great, just like A+M; the Wavie has a slightly shallower back sweep angle, but I found this insignificant.  Another really comfortable, more athletic position is placing hands at the bends, with thumbs curled under the bar.  Today was kinda chilly, and this position would have been even more comfortable had I wrapped the bars (I only had thin cycling gloves, so the chill from the cold bar migrated straight to my hands quickly).  When installing it I rotated the bar so the bar ends angled very slightly downward, arriving at what felt right by straddling the bike and rotating until it felt right.  I didn't have to adjust anything on my ride.

Function:

Not significantly different from the A+M.  Both bars offer more than adequate leverage when in or out of the saddle.  The sweep back angle is natural, and you don't even think about it ... which is perfect.  No wrist nor elbow pain.  No significant difference in the amount of space available to mount bag straps, at least for the Acorn Handlebar bag I use, which is 28cm (11") wide and fits fine on both bars.

Bottom line:  

If you already have a **610** A+M bar ($65) and like it, I would find it hard to recommend you spend $97 for a Wavie.  I'd recommend that you apply that $$ towards another component.  But if you have the narrower 575 A+M, and you feel you need a wider bar, I'd recommend the Wavie first because (a)you'll be supporting Riv, and (b)might as well get the extra 50mm it offers over the 660 A+M.

Hope that helps,

Tom

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<Wavie_Ahearne+Map_Albatross56.jpg>

[Deacon Patrick]

Tom, that Atlantis is ready for whatever tempestuous waves the trail tosses it’s way!

With abandon,
Patrick

[tc]

Hey Mark,
Thanks. I’m going to hang on to the A+M for the time being. Never know when a bike may pop up that needs a bar. If I decide to sell it, I’ll give you first refusal, hows that?

Tom

[tc]

Correction:

“...(a)you'll be supporting Riv, and (b)might as well get the extra 50mm it offers over the **610** A+M.”

Tom

[Drw]

That’s great, thanks for the comparison

[tc]

Hey Patrick! Man, I’d love to Rinko me Atlantis and head your way to experience the Pikes Peak trails with you! (I do partially come from McGee and Lazenby bloodlines, though, which may or may not constitute grounds for war on the trails... will have to see what position I’m to take...)

Tom

[esoterica etc]

Tom, sounds good, thanks for keeping me in mind if you ever decide to sell the Ahearne bar. Enjoy!

~Mark

[John Phillips]

  What stems, with how much reach, are people using with their Wavie bars?

John

On Wednesday, April 18, 2018 at 5:09:31 PM UTC-7, Bob Ehrenbeck wrote:

After hearing about the upcoming Wavie handlebars from Bill Lindsay in this post, I took his suggestion to ask Riv if they would send some photos ahead of the catalog arrival. Vince came through, and also mentioned that the bars are 66 cm wide with a 25.4 mm diameter at the clamp, and they should arrive at Rivendell next month in their Nitto shipment. So (with Vince's permission), here they are. They look great!

Bob E

Cranford, New Jersey

[christian poppell]

Hey John,

I have Wavie bars on my Quickbeam with a 130mm stem and about 2cm of drop. Bars are angled down about a degree or so. For comparison, I have 48cm Noodles on a 100mm stem and about 3cm of drop, Shimano R400 levers (not long reach)

The Wavies still feel pretty upright to me compared to the Noodle setup. I would feel comfortable setting the Wavie bars on a bike that was smaller than what I typically ride with drops. 

I've ridden them around 150 miles so far. 

Hope that helps,

Christian

Berkeley, CA

[Rob Kristoff]

Tom, I usually don't like upright bars on Atlantises, but something about your bike just looks perfect to me. Good job, and thanks for the review.

Rob

[tom coppedge]

Hey Rob, thanks very much.  Do you have an Atlantis?

If I had to keep one bike, it would be this old 64 Atlantis.  It's technically too big (the standover could cause some man damage if I'm not careful in a fall), but I love the feel of a big bike on the road, and the look.  It's a classic, and so versatile.  The Wavie, or Ahearne+Map, are wonderful bars for this bike, allowing comfortable control on the road or even singletrack.  And it's hard to beat the 2.1 Nanos; such a great all-conditions tire, unless you're in really mucky stuff.  Surprisingly fast and quiet on the road, too.

Thanks again,

Tom

On Tue, Apr 30, 2019 at 6:04 PM Rob Kristoff <robkr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Tom, I usually don't like upright bars on Atlantises, but something about your bike just looks perfect to me. Good job, and thanks for the review.

Rob

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