Hilsen = All-Rounder?

[rw1911]

I very much enjoy my original 700c All-Rounder, but sometimes wish for
something a little more zippy/sporty. Looking at the Hilsen (country
bike), it appears to be a newer version of the All-Rounder. I haven't
found information on the tubing spec, but looking at the geometry
specs, they're pretty darn close.

Other than the brakes, is the Hilsen the newer equivalent of the
original All-Rounder? Other than the Roadeo, should I be looking for
a used Ram or... ?

[Matthew J]

Have you considered getting a zippy wheel set?  A lighter wheel set with higher gearing and event tires - maybe even tubular if you want - can make a big difference.

[cyclotourist]

For my $.02, I think an AHH is a bit to the lighter weight end of the continuum than an AR,and an Atlantis a bit on the heavier end. Weight meaning tougher/stronger along with mass. A Sam H might be the best comparison other than the sloping TT. So if you wanted something significantly lighter/sportier, a Roadeo or Ram or Rom would probably make you happier.But as Matt J said, you could have a heavy wheel component mix on one of the triple Rs above, or a ultra-light mix on the AHH and have a hard time saying which one is sportier!

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[rw1911]

My current wheels are Velocity Synergy rims with Shimano XT hubs and
db spokes. For tires I use either Pasela TGs or Marathon Racers. (I
can't decide which prefer) Both are 700x35. I imagine some zippy-
ness could be found maybe with lighter 700x28 tires.

What would be considered a zippy wheelset? Ultegra or Dura Ace hubs
and Mavic Open Pros or something more exotic? While widely available,
the problem I have is the All-rounders are spaced for a 135mm MTB bike
hub. I suppose I could crank down the skewer and use a standard 130mm
road hub, but I don't know if that would be OK or a good long term
solution.

[cyclotourist]

I have Dura Ace hubs re-spaced to 135mm w/ a longer axle and a spacer. Try some Velocity A23 rims, they're they cool new thing on the market. Then some Challenge Parigi-Roubaix (29mm)... give that a try and see if you're happy!

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[Tony Lockhart]

You can actually add spacers to your 130mm hubs to make them fit. I am currently running Ultegra hubs with Open Pro rims on my Sam Hillborne and absolutely love the combo. The trick is to add 2 one millimeter spacers to each side, and then you're close enough to the 135mm spacing. I typically run one of the following three tires: Pasela TG 32mm, Ribmo 28mm, and Vittoria Randonneur Hyper 32mm.....couldn't be happier with the options with this setup. 32mm tires fit perfectly on Open Pros, and I'm a heavier guy (180 pounds). Heck, you can even get Ultegra hubs with 36 spokes...definitely a win-win.

[Matthew J]

I have Dura Ace hubs re-spaced to 135mm w/ a longer axle and a spacer. Try some Velocity A23 rims, they're they cool new

>thing on the market. Then some Challenge Parigi-Roubaix (29mm)... give that a try and see if you're happy!

What he says, or possibly the Grand Bois Cypres.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Squeezing your 135 OL rear down 5 mm won't hurt a thing.  I once squoze a 126 mm rear end down to 110 with no ill effects that I could discern.

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[Joe Bernard]

My guess is the Hilsen is the sportier ride. I've owned a Romulus and a Hilsen, and they felt like the same bike to me.

 

Joe Bernard

Vallejo, CA.

[Cyclofiend]

The A/R arguably became the Atlantis.

The LongLow was probably closer to the Hilsen.

I'd been riding the QB most of this summer, but recently switched over
the Hilsen (immediately crash and clobbered my rib cage, but am now
back riding three weeks later...) (d'oh!). Had a great road ride last
weekend, and reminded myself what a stable and trustworthy bike that
is. Of course, I think that's the true Rivendell design hallmark.
The rest is just details.

I've mentioned it before, but think of the Hilsen as a pretty
amazingly versatile model. The range of tire sizes alone is enough to
make it suitable for whatever you want. A fast road bike you could
take into the back country, as opposed to the Atlantis/A/R which is a
trail bike you could rig for the road.

Hope that helps a bit,

- Jim

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