Who makes Canvas Panniers now?

[Deacon Patrick]

Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it relates to:
— ease of access
— weatherproof
— bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
— other issues that stand out?

After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush and that just on the MUPS.

Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin.

Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your experience with them?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[Garth]

I saw these on Etsy , waxed canvas and all. I know nothing of actually using them though.

https://www.etsy.com/shop/anhaicabagworks?order=price_desc
http://anhaicabagworks.com/shop/234777738
http://anhaicabagworks.com/shop/234776226

[Shawn Granton]

I haven't used them yet, but I have been looking at Ironweed's offerings:

http://www.ironweedbp.com/panniers.html

And of course, there's always Carradice.

The Anhaica bags Garth mentions look good, too.

yours,

Shawn

[Philip Kim]

http://anhaicabagworks.com/

waxed canvas! Very well made IME.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

[M D Smith]

Check out Carradice Super C panniers. I love mine.

Cheers- Mike

[Jack Barnes]

North St bags are pretty sharp, made here in Portland.
http://northstbags.com/collections/bike-panniers

No experience with these myself, but my office mate rides with a pair of them every day, and they are holding up well. They have been helpful about repairs and such.

[Scott Henry]

Frost Rivers actually ARE the old Riv Baggins panniers.

I think they look the best too, that's my vote.

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[Deacon Patrick]

These are an updated version: https://www.frostriver.com/shop/what-s-new/highway-61-rolltop-panniers/

They do look superior.

With abandon,

Patrick

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:40:03 PM UTC-7, Skenry wrote:

Frost Rivers actually ARE the old Riv Baggins panniers.

I think they look the best too, that's my vote.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:42 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> wrote:

Who makes um and what is your experience with them, especially as it relates to:
— ease of access
— weatherproof
— bikepacking and errand daily use heartiness
— other issues that stand out?

After years of use, with my TourSacks, I discovered just how much play there is with the center load (sleeping bag, pad, tent, hatchet) anchored to the fabric top rather than directly to the rack. (I tried my daughter’s Back-a-Bike bags). But the Back-a-Bike bags do not look weatherproof enough and the wooden chord closure thingy has already snagged on bits of brush and that just on the MUPS.

Carsick looks to be out of the waxed canvas biz. Frost River’s new Highway 61 look excellent and are my most likely choice. Interestingly, when I talked it over with my daughters, they agree with Grant’s design, preferring ease of access to full weatherproofing. They also don’t go bashing through brush the same way I do. Grin.

Any others doing waxed canvas panniers out there and what’s your experience with them?

With abandon,
Patrick

www.OurHolyConception.org
www.MindYourHeadCoop.org

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[Shawn Granton]

North St is GREAT, and I have/had several pairs of panniers of theirs over the years. However, they don't do canvas, and their look is a bit more on the modern side.

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[David Banzer]

For weatherproofing, the rolltop closure is probably your best bet if you're aiming to keep water/elements out.
I don't think there's production panniers in waxed canvas right now. Ironweed makes canvas bags, but not waxed. You could wax them yourself of course!
IMO, Swift makes the best designed panniers, but alas they don't use waxed canvas anymore.
I've toyed around with pannier ideas, making a pair for myself and opting not to go with a rolltop and deciding to use waterproof bags inside for items that absolutely can't get wet.
Here's a pair I made for a Tubus Ergo front rack: https://www.instagram.com/p/BI3CcDVjlVl/?taken-by=treetopdesigns
I ended up using the Riv HAR trick and made a sleeve that slips into the rack - the bags are attached with 2 leather straps each and no stiffeners and the attachment is solid.

Your best bet is custom and Ely of Ruthworks fame would make some awesome panniers.

David
River Grove, IL

[Anton Tutter]

David Cain in Vermont (same state that brings us Ibex and Darn Tough Socks) creates beautiful functional canvas panniers through his one-man operation, Waxwing Bag Co. He's a randonneur and all around bikey person, and I'm dying to have him make me a bag sometime soon.

http://www.waxwingbagco.com/

Anton

velolumino.com

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

[David Banzer]

I stand corrected - the Frost River bags are waxed canvas.

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks guys! Great to see so many options are still out there. I was concerned when Swift and Carsick stopped waxed canvas. I'm betting a canvas canoe company has a grasp of the kind of abuse (and a forever warrantee to boot) I put these though vs a more randonneuring mindset, which is what the other bags look like.

With abandon,

Patrick 

[Steve Palincsar]

Gilles Berthoud, Loyal & Waxwing all do traditional "Sologne style"
canvas & leather panniers.

[Mark in Beacon]

I vote with your daughters. I love the back a bike bags. I don't know if you can beat the ease of frequent access. I have found mine to be a real pleasure to use multiple times each day--love the toggles!  I don't know that the buckles and belts and what have you on other panniers would be more or less likely to snag in the brush. I have not had issues with water, though I do not do the kind of riding you do. Here is a fun little Riv-vid: https://vimeo.com/123971564
 I realize you are looking for something different here, but just wanted to put in another good word for these bags!

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 1:42:17 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:

[Deacon Patrick]

You are spot on and no doubt so are my daughters. They know and I know I fit in a very different category from them in terms of usage and abuse, even when we're on the same trip. Sardonic grin. I used the pair of Back-A-Bikes to test out the concept of separate panniers (rather than the toursacks) for several runs and the ease of access was fantastic (with full Arctic mittens on no less). I will miss that and as in so many things in life, there is a trade off. Harder to access for me and for the wet. Grin. What I didn't test was days and nights in the soaking wet 2/3rds of the time, as happens on many of my trips (since Colorado is so dry!) Grin.

I grilled the biking guy at Frost River, and he said he's been fairly abusive of his and gave some specifics, including brushing brick walls, and bushes and laying the bike down on concrete. So we're in the right category (as is Riv's series). Frost River does canoe gear for abuse in the field and guarantees it forever, so know their stuff from that perspective. Time will tell!

With abandon,

Patrick

[Jeff Lesperance]

I have a set of the Swift rolltop panniers in waxed canvas that I picked up from a fellow list member just over a year ago. They're stout and feel pretty bulletproof. I've used them a couple of times but I tend to turn to my Ortlieb panniers more often thanks to their superior mounting solution and lighter weight. I've not formally put them up for sale but if they look right for you, Deacon, I'm sure we could figure out a way for you to knock the dust off of 'em. Here's some pictures the original owner/seller took when he offered them up last year: https://www.flickr.com/photos/jbusteed/sets/72157660475769437/

-Jeff

Silver Spring, MD

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[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Jeff. I appreciate it. I've bounced panniers with that mounting system clean off, so I'll stick with the Frost Rivers, which are on the way any road.

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Patrick 

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[Ely Ruth Rodriguez]

I have a pair of grey waxed with brown leather, demo panniers for sale $200 plus shipping.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

[Ely Ruth Rodriguez]

I made a pair of waxed canvas panniers today. Doing another set next week.

On Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 10:42:17 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:

[John Bokman]

Deacon, I'm curious about the attachment system of the Frost River bags. They do indeed look rugged and weatherproof, with what I'd consider a good shape (wide enough, not just tall). But as for the attachment: I  wonder if you have used this buckle system before? In practice, can one get a snug enough fit so the bags don't jump about on the rack? I've only used the bungee cord system, which works well for me because the bag is under tension. Appreciate your thoughts.

J.

[Deacon Patrick]

Great question, John. My TourSacks were "lash on" (rather than elastic, as you describe), and my experience is lash on systems are far less "playful" on the rack over bumps for the simple reason that elastic gives, lashing does not. My main issue with the TourSacks is the load on top needing a more solid anchor point, not the load in the panniers, which was always solid for me, though I suspect with a combined 4 top-o-rack lashing points on the Frost River (two per pannier) vs. one on the TourSacks, the load will be even more stable. But nothing like testing in real world bashing to find out! Grin.

I also have the new(well, to me) Nitto big rack (no tombstone, pannier mounting bar) coming, so that will lower CG and improve access for securing the top-load. Combined with a twill saddlesack on the way and a possible frame bag from Frost River, all the niggling challenges I've had are getting ironed out, I hope! Grin.

With abandon,

Patrick

[John Bokman]

That sounds like a good setup.

I’d most likely be using these bags on my front panniers: Tubus Tara. The Tara has a U-shaped bottom rather than a flat bar. I wonder if this would not be optimal for the attachment of the Frost River. 

I wonder if others have used such an attachment system with Tubus Taras or similar?

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[Deacon Patrick]

Follow-up on the updated Back-a-Bike bags: The redesign is excellent! It eliminates the moisture access point at the top two attachment points and seems a bit beefier, but that may be because the other set we have has been loved for a year. I'd still prefer a non-nylon buckle on the bottom (in my experience they break at cold temps).

With abandon,

Patrick