New triples and wider gearing from Campagnolo

[Aaron Schmidt]

At the risk of inciting a religious war, I figured some folks might
want to know that Campagnolo is coming out with some updated triples,
(slightly) wider 10 speed cassette (12-30:
12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30), and a long cage derailleur.

http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/05/15/campagnolo-intros-5236-wide-range-cranks-cassettes-performance-triple-cranksets/#more-43869

Does anyone else find this slightly sensible and therefore surprising?

[Steve Palincsar]

Shocking, really. Last I heard they were switching all the groups to 11
speed.

[robert zeidler]

Not at all given the demographic. 

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[dougP]

Looks like the old racing triple. The 30t biggest cog at least
affords a 1:1 low gear, sorta like using a cogset with a 34t with a
compact double. Campy's prices alone put them in a market by
themselves.

dougP

On May 15, 1:52 pm, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not at all given the demographic.
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> On Tuesday, May 15, 2012, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 13:40 -0700, Aaron Schmidt wrote:
> > > At the risk of inciting a religious war, I figured some folks might
> > > want to know that Campagnolo is coming out with some updated triples,
> > > (slightly) wider 10 speed cassette (12-30:
> > > 12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30), and a long cage derailleur.
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> >http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/05/15/campagnolo-intros-5236-wide-range...

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> > > Does anyone else find this slightly sensible and therefore surprising?
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> > Shocking, really.  Last I heard they were switching all the groups to 11
> > speed.
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[Aaron Schmidt]

Who do you think Campagnolo's demographic is?

On May 15, 1:52 pm, robert zeidler <zeidler.rob...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Not at all given the demographic.
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> On Tuesday, May 15, 2012, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> > On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 13:40 -0700, Aaron Schmidt wrote:
> > > At the risk of inciting a religious war, I figured some folks might
> > > want to know that Campagnolo is coming out with some updated triples,
> > > (slightly) wider 10 speed cassette (12-30:
> > > 12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30), and a long cage derailleur.
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> >http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/05/15/campagnolo-intros-5236-wide-range...

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> > > Does anyone else find this slightly sensible and therefore surprising?
>
> > Shocking, really.  Last I heard they were switching all the groups to 11
> > speed.
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[Michael Hechmer]

Campy has always made wide range triple deraillers.  For many years the stock offering included three different length cages on the popular rear deraillers.  What baffles me is that they have, apparently discontinued their excellent compact front derailler, which is a great fd for triples.  In fact it outperforms the SR I have on my tandem.  As for 10 speed cassettes... it's hard to see what advantage they have for recreational & touring riders.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 14:42 -0700, Michael Hechmer wrote:
> Campy has always made wide range triple deraillers. For many years
> the stock offering included three different length cages on the
> popular rear deraillers. What baffles me is that they have,
> apparently discontinued their excellent compact front derailler, which
> is a great fd for triples. In fact it outperforms the SR I have on my
> tandem. As for 10 speed cassettes... it's hard to see what advantage
> they have for recreational & touring riders.

Advantage compared to Campagnolo's other standard, 11? Or do you mean
compared to a 9 speed?

Personally, I'm a great fan of the 9 speed 13-30, which happens to have
exactly the same sprockets (in terms of number of teeth, that is) as the
10 speed 12-30, only without the 12T, which has no value for me (unless
mated with a 44T chain ring).

[William]

Also in that article is mention of a hollow metal crankset.  That's nice for those that prefer a metal crankset, but who don't like that it's an extra half-pound or more.  

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 14:54 -0700, William wrote:
> Also in that article is mention of a hollow metal crankset. That's
> nice for those that prefer a metal crankset, but who don't like that
> it's an extra half-pound or more.
>

Well, can't those people buy a carbon one instead?

[Michael Hechmer]

compared to 9 speed; or even for that matter a 7 speed triple.  I moved away from 7 speed freewheels because they offered a 12 cog & now an 11, which offers the option for a smaller big ring.  A 7 speed triple with  13-28 offers closely spaced gears and a decent low gear.  A 9 speed 11-28, can offer the same range and spacing as a "racing" triple.

10 & 11 speed systems add cost and reduce durability with not much to offer in return.

michael

[William]

Pardon me?  I guess people that prefer metal can buy carbon....if they stop preferring metal.

Most of the people that prefer metal are those that prefer metal instead of carbon.  There's no third option (bamboo, plastic, marzipan).  Some think carbon cranks are ugly and metal ones look nice.  Some think carbon cranks are too expensive.  Some people believe carbon cranks can't last 30 years and metal ones can.  Some think carbon cranks will break.  Some people PREFER METAL.  Now there's a Campy option for those that prefer metal, that isn't quite so heavy.  That's nice for them.  That's all.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 17:26 -0700, William wrote:
> Pardon me? I guess people that prefer metal can buy carbon....if they
> stop preferring metal.
>
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> Most of the people that prefer metal are those that prefer metal
> instead of carbon. There's no third option (bamboo, plastic,
> marzipan). Some think carbon cranks are ugly and metal ones look
> nice. Some think carbon cranks are too expensive. Some people
> believe carbon cranks can't last 30 years and metal ones can. Some
> think carbon cranks will break. Some people PREFER METAL. Now
> there's a Campy option for those that prefer metal, that isn't quite
> so heavy. That's nice for them. That's all.

I totally misunderstood what you were saying.

[Bill M.]

On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:40:44 PM UTC-7, Aaron Schmidt wrote:

The 12-30 is nice.  I could use a higher gear than 50/13, but I might miss the 16t cog from my current 13-29.  Guess I'll have to go 11 speed someday to have it all...

I would rather have seen a 110/74 BCD ultra-compact double than the triples.   Lighter, simpler, lower Q, all that.  I use a Record Triple crank as a 46/30 double with a SRAM Apex drivetrain and 11-32 cassette, and find that to be very useable gearing.  

Bill

Stockton, CA

[Michael_S]

been there, done that.  I'm running a 10 speed Campy Centaur ( square taper) triple that was originally 50-40-30 that I put a 28t small ring on. I'm using an 8 speed shimaNo 11-30 cassette shifting with Simplex retro friction down tube shifters.  Centaur rear long cage derailleur too. 9 speed Record chain. Works great on my rando bike.   

Campy Demographics?  Baby Boomers with aging knees...

~mike

On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 1:40:44 PM UTC-7, Aaron Schmidt wrote:

[Patrick in VT]

On May 15, 5:42 pm, Michael Hechmer <mhech...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As for 10 speed cassettes... it's hard to see what advantage they have for recreational &
> touring riders.
>

Agreed. Even mountain bikes are being spec'd with 10 speed these
days. Ridiculous! But if your average recreational/sporting rider is
buying a new road bike, it might as well be 10spd because that
drivetrain is better supported in most shops. And even if it is more
than what most people need, the new stuff works great and that counts
too. I rode a new Ultegra 10spd drivetrain recently and was really
impressed - fast and precise shifting. no fuss. Same experience with
SRAM. And Campy.

[Brewster Fong]

On Tuesday, May 15, 2012 5:26:38 PM UTC-7, William wrote:

Pardon me?  I guess people that prefer metal can buy carbon....if they stop preferring metal.

Most of the people that prefer metal are those that prefer metal instead of carbon.  There's no third option (bamboo, plastic, marzipan).  Some think carbon cranks are ugly and metal ones look nice.  Some think carbon cranks are too expensive.  Some people believe carbon cranks can't last 30 years and metal ones can.  Some think carbon cranks will break.  Some people PREFER METAL.  Now there's a Campy option for those that prefer metal, that isn't quite so heavy.  That's nice for them.  That's all.

 

I think people need to take a step back, Campy has always had metal cranks. It may have been black and in their lower part of the line up, e.g., Centaur, Veloce, Mirage, but its there.

 

Further, its great that they now have metal cranks in Silver!  There was a couple of years, where all of the cranks, carbon or metal, were black. By 2009 or so that changed.

 

Finally, for those who are concerned about "Q-factor," Campy has traditionally had low q-factors. Even with the move to the latest "integrated" cranksets, Campy's "q" is among the lowest on the market. Good Luck!

[Eric Wolforth]

Wow! I can't wait! I have two custom builds scheduled in the near
future and with a good looking triple (with readily available parts/
service/ect) I'll make the jump back to Campy. Especially now that
Chris King makes Campy compatible hubs...good times!

On May 15, 3:40 pm, Aaron Schmidt <librar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At the risk of inciting a religious war, I figured some folks might
> want to know that Campagnolo is coming out with some updated triples,
> (slightly) wider 10 speed cassette (12-30:
> 12-13-14-15-17-19-21-24-27-30), and a long cage derailleur.
>

> http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/05/15/campagnolo-intros-5236-wide-range...

[Bob Cooper]

I put some low gears on my Atlantis:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/robert-cooper-cycling/6905696438/in/photostream

Bob

[robert zeidler]

+1!  I have a new Calfee in the pipeline and will probably do the same. 

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[robert zeidler]

+1!  I have a new Calfee in the pipeline and will probably do the same. 

On Tuesday, May 15, 2012, Bob Cooper wrote: