Clemuno Jr

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Today's email mentioned the upcoming Roaduno is kind of like a Clem H singler. I agree. It's pretty close when you overlay the two. (disclaiming the 5cm frame size difference.) IN the phot below, my Clem H is ghosted behind the equally ghosted Roaduno.I like running the Clem H as a uno, and would rather find another 59 Clem to use as a multi-geared bike than go for a Roaduno. Although, when he mentioned they would be fully lugged, I could be swooned into one - er, un...

Marty

[J Imler]

My Clem is a two speeder (stick shift) and I love it!

[Ryan]

would love to see the (lugged) final version...could be tempting

[brendonoid]

I think the Roaduno is going to have much lighter tubing than the Clem. So not going to be as good to load up or off road.

I for one welcome a road bike I can put Antelope Hills on, however. So I am looking forward to it.

[Joe Bernard]

I have an irrational love (ok most of my love experiences are irrational, but I digress) of the look and simplicity of singlespeeds that translates to hardly any riding I do. I want this bike despite knowing I'd have to walk it up the hill in front of my house just to start a ride! 

Joe "pfft, it doesn't look that steep" Bernard 

[brendonoid]

An internal geared hub would give you the slick aesthetic of that single speed without all the walking and expensive knee replacements.

That is what I am thinking I'd do with this frame.

[Joe Bernard]

Yes but they're heavy which is how you get to Grant/Riv's position, "Why not just ride a derailer bike if you need gears?" At which point I look at the light derailer Riv I have now and say, "Good point Grant/Riv!" 

[brendonoid]

I agree. However neither the Roadini nor the Charlie Gallop can fit 55mm tyres. So I'll take the weight penalty and get almost the perfect road bike! Maybe?

These are probably at least 2 years away and I might be broke or dead by then. :P

[Ryan]

I hear you Joe! I love the simplicity and silence of single-speeds too. I confess that my old SS PX-10 has been seeing the most riding the last few years. Maybe it's my silent resistance to the proliferation of e-bikes I've been seeing given the ruinous gas prices...which, don't get me wrong, are a good idea if they take some cars off the road! even though aesthetically they  do nothing for me. 

But the final version of the Roaduno could tick some boxes...

[Bones]

I always thought a Homer-ish bike with big fat tires would be awesome. It sounds like that’s what this is. And it’s a single speed too, which is exactly what I would want! In fact I even was considering a custom at some point, and it looked a lot like this in my head. I picture it with some quills/antelopes and Ron’s ortho bars. Cant wait.

Bones 

[iamkeith]

This is turning out better than I'd hoped.  Seeing as how I regret getting tid of my Clem H... AND have a sets of single-speed (and 3-speed) wheels left from my Quickbeam, I don’t think there's a scenario where I don't at least try to get one of these. Starting to save pennies now.

Some nerd observations and questions.  (Hopefully some of you locals can check these out in person, and get some detail):

-  Do we know if these will be 120 OLN rear spacing?

- Why in the world would they not just use the Frank Jones Sr. track ends? Wonder what "found' [an existing product] means.  Has anybody else ever done the sloped dropout thing that allows the brakes to work regardless of wheel position, the way Riv does?)

- Which fork crown do they usually use when there's a target of 55mm  tires?  I'm guessing it will not be the Hunqapillar / Clem crown, but that would be great.  Maybe it'll  actually be the Appaloosa fork. (I only wonder because I'm a detail dork and because my favorite-ever tire - the super moto - is a little bigger than 55mm.)  Still, if limited to 55, I'm sure there'll be good options)

- if this one is a 54, and Will says there's a 61 too,  then it sounds like they ARE in fact the same size increments as the Roadini, which means there's a 57 too.  That's the best news of all, for me!   The reason I got rid of my 60 clem was that it was a smidge too big in terms of standover height.  57 should be spot-on, especially if they follow the longer top tube path of the clem L evolution.

Gonna be a long couple of years..

[Alexander Chalmers]

I was pleasantly surprised that the final will be fully lugged. I like the sound of the cream headtube as well, and a singlespeed that can run 55mm tires sounds awesome.

That said, I find myself getting hung up on the name/decals. I just think Roaduno sounds a little silly and the headbadge doesn't do anything for me. Pretty bad reasons to not get one, but might be enough for me in this case. Anyone else in the same boat? In my own defense, I am hoping to get a Quickbeam soon and I think I will prefer the shorter wheelbase on that for the riding I do

[velomann]

Also keep in mind - especially those considering internal hubs - the Roaduno will have 120 rear spacing (confirmed in Riv email). It's designed to be a single speed and use a single speed hub.

I'm real curious what crank Riv is going to spec on full builds.

Mike M

On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 4:16:37 PM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA wrote:

[Ryan]

The headbadge reminds me a little of the one on the singlespeed Bridgestone USA proposed before that particular ship sank in 1994; it was in one of the Bob Gazettes IIRC. Tried googling this (not very hard)  and I didn't find it. I know someone on this list besides Addison Willhite scanned all the gazettes a few years ago but I can't find it

I take it that purple will be one of the colors; I wonder what others they'll offer

[Alexander Chalmers]

Yeah, i take it that Bridgestone was an inspiration. I think it was called the Uno? There is a picture of a prototype somewhere in the bluhg i think. I like that one a little more. Honestly not sure what i don't love about the look of this one but the Simpleone logos don't do it for me either. Maybe I'm just partial to the Quickbeam aesthetic.

Regardless, it looks like it will be a fun bike. Just maybe not the right one for me 

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[Ryan]

Well...if I  was going to fantasize...and I if won the lottery...given that I like the ride of my PX-10 so much , my dream SS would have Roadeo geo and tubing and built by Mark Nobilette, maybe in that spiffy black and cream also pictured in the latest email. Just sayin...

I do want to see the final version of the Roaduno , though. I am curious. 

[Joe Bernard]

Here's that UNO though it's no help with the headbadge, it didn't have one. This is one I really should have kept, I found it as a (very scratched) frame only and added the generic black unicrown fork. Really nice build I put a lot of work into, including what apparently is now a rare fillet-weld Bullmoose. I sold it to the Brandon mentioned in the article, then he had it at on Craigslist for ages. Cool bike! 

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/bridgestone-uno

[Ryan]

Oh yeah I remember that now...wonder what the original fork looked like? Maybe a Tom Ritchey bi-plane one?

Anyway , I'm sure the new RoadUno will be a fun bike...probably not fair to judge it basis the prototype version. We do know it'll have a generous wheelbase and tons of clearance for big tires.  Thanks for digging that up, Joe.

[Joe Bernard]

Ryan, it looked (and was sized like) a 52cm XO-1 with horizontal dropouts glommed on, I suspect it used that fork. 

[Ryan]

Be still my beating heart....❤

[Joe Bernard]

Yeah I messed up selling that one. I live in some hills now but at that time I was at the top of a VERY steep one, the bike was literally unrideable for me. Live and learn! 

[iamkeith]

Meh, don't beat yourself up.  It's neat from a historical standpoint but, without the correct fork, that value is sorta lost.  A Quickbeam, SimpleOne, Frank Jones or this new one all seem nicer.  As do some from Crust, Surly and others.

FYI, if someone really likes the idea of a singlespeed, 26"-wheeled XO-1, the magic two-speed gear ratio (for not needing is a tensioner) is 38&35T chainrings with a 19&16T dos uno freewheel.  I had my daughter's set up that way for a while.

[Joe Bernard]

I hear ya. I'd take a QB or Roaduno over that forkless beater Bstone any day. But it WAS cool. 

[Joe Bernard]

Btw I HEAR YOU Certain Person Who's a Member Here. I have a friend who knows how many times I've bought a singlespeed then sold it cuz I can't pedal that kinda gear. I HEAR THE LAUGHTER 🙃

[Eric Daume]

Or for a 26" single speeder, the new Handsome XOXO has forward facing horizontal dropouts, like the Surly Cross Check or BMC Monstercross.

Speaking of, IME this type of dropouts lets the rim track the brake pad as well as the QB's angled rear track ends, AND make wheel removal with fenders significantly easier. The only reason not to use these is if you want really short chainstays... not an issue on the RoadUno. I can't really see any reason to use the QB style dropouts here.

Eric

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[Ryan]

Maybe I should consider that...I have a 93 X0-1 38. 38 X 52 chainrings...just need the DOS freewheel...I'm quite familiar with WI freewheels. I have a single 20(I think) on my Peugeot...other thing on the X0-1 right now that I DON'T love are the 26 X 1.5 Compass-branded McClure Pass tires which attract glass, small stones, etc. like a magnet. I've never had worse luck with tires 

BTW...I live in Winnipeg which is flat (but is windy)

[Doug H.]

Joe, all single speeds really have three speeds. Seated, standing and walking.

haha

Doug

[Joe Bernard]

*Joe grabs his lovely singlespeed* 

"Joe, where are you going?" 

.

OUT FOR A WALK

[Doug H.]

I'm already budgeting for this bike. I too wonder which crankset they will offer on a complete build but I'm sure it will be good.

Doug

[Jake Kutchins]

I stopped by Riv and talked to Will last week. He said they're redesigning the Roaduno to be more of a Homer single speed (HomerUno doesn't sound quite right...) with caliper brakes rather than the "ClemUno" design they shared that had v-brakes. He said he liked the redesigned model slightly more. I tried to hide my disappointment for the ClemUno that wasn't. 

Jake

[Brian Forsee]

I like the sound of that from a ride quality/tubing perspective, but not from a tire clearance perspective. I really was looking forward to a SS commuter that could take 700x55's or 45-50's w/ a fender. Also don't love the switch to caliper brakes, although the reintroduction of the Paul's make that not as big of an issue for me.

Brian

[iamkeith]

On Friday, October 28, 2022 at 9:17:44 AM UTC-6 jake...@gmail.com wrote:

I stopped by Riv and talked to Will last week. He said they're redesigning the Roaduno to be more of a Homer single speed (HomerUno doesn't sound quite right...) with caliper brakes rather than the "ClemUno" design they shared that had v-brakes. He said he liked the redesigned model slightly more. I tried to hide my disappointment for the ClemUno that wasn't. 

That is disappointing.  Did he say if 50mm tires are even still in the mix?  I guess this helps me with decisions in some ways.  When the fully -lugged clemuno concept was floated, I abruptly halted restoration on my quickbeam, thinking I'd prefer a long bike.  (Or maybe decide that I like both, but wanting to make sure I had money set aside).  I'm sure the homeruno will be an improved design but, like so many things, it sounds too incremental of an upgrade for me to bother.  And the quickbeam has cantis!

I don't doubt your intelligence either.  (And the whole point of this thread is to share speculation) But I suppose it does make sense  to see what shakes out in the end, before giving up.  Anything could still change...

[Bill Lindsay]

Crust Single Speed Lightning Bolts are still available in all sizes.  With a level top tube, short chainstays and low-trail front end, it's not a Rivendell.  It is au courant with a Riv-adjacent niche.  It takes 584x48 with no issue.  Here's mine:   Crust Single Speed Lightning Bolt (size L) | Hillbubba | Flickr

Riv loves Crust.  Will runs a Florida Man in his stable.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[Joe Mullins]

As someone who owns a Crust Single Speed Breakaway Lightning Bolt this makes me happy. I’ve been eyeing the Homer but I have a Sam which is too similar. I find myself not riding the Crust very much and have been toying with the idea of selling it. It originally had noodle bars and now has albatross bars which I love since it puts me more upright but not so much on that low trail bike. Feels too squirrelly when holding the back of the bars. Feels better with a bag on the front. Handled great with drops and a bag but after riding my Sam with albatross bars and realizing that drops do nothing for me except make me uncomfortable, I sold all my drop bars. 

I could almost justify a swap to a Roaduno now. I want a color besides green and purple though. I’d love something along the lines of the last batch of Homer blue since blue is my favorite color. 

Joe in Los Angeles

On Oct 28, 2022, at 9:57 AM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:

Crust Single Speed Lightning Bolts are still available in all sizes.  With a level top tube, short chainstays and low-trail front end, it's not a Rivendell.  It is au courant with a Riv-adjacent niche.  It takes 584x48 with no issue.  Here's mine:   Crust Single Speed Lightning Bolt (size L) | Hillbubba | Flickr

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