New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Belopsky]

This perks my interest, however I'm sure it'll have a loooong top tube, but since it's for Blue Lug, I imagine there will be smaller sizes so maybe it will be OK for someone like me..

[Richard Rios]

Looks like a rad project. Blug says it will be drop bar compatable so I'm guessing tt length should be reasonable. Wonder if it will be TiG or lugs though?

[Tim Gavin]

I'm wondering about this, at the bottom of the BLUG post:

So, are the seat stay caps separate from the rest of the lug, then brazed into the sockets on the back of the seat lug?  If so, that could be a good way to build bikes of differing geometries with a single seat lug casting.

The specific stay exit angle of the seat lug is what caused the Clem's bendy seat stays; the desired lug didn't offer the correct stay angle to match the loooong chainstays.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Richard Rios <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like a rad project. Blug says it will be drop bar compatable so I'm guessing tt length should be reasonable. Wonder if it will be TiG or lugs though?

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[Adam Kilgas]

This one had me excited as well...! Looking forward to more info about it.

[James Warren]

GREAT to see the continued Lug Love.


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[Eric]

First Clem and now Frank Jones, Jr.

Am I the only one not loving these names?

[Eric Karnes]

I personally always really liked the name 'Clem Smith'. Frank Jones not quite as much, but perhaps it's more exotic-sounding to a Japanese market...

Eric

[Lungimsam]

I think these pretty bikes should have the more elegant names like they have used before like Saluki, Rambouillet, Cheviut.

[drew]

i like the idea of bikes with human names, but i think they could use them in moderation. a single speed bike made for a japanese shop does not scream "FRANK JONES" to me.

[Sky Coulter]

I kind of like it. Sounds very square-jawed and no-nonsense.

Sky in new west

[Reed Kennedy]

I hate to say it (and had in fact been keeping it to myself) but if my Hunqapillar had been named Jim Clement (or something of the ilk) I probably wouldn't own it.

These particular people names strike me as the least fun of all worlds. They're just so... Normal. Heck, I'd rather have a bike named Allez!

OTOH, Appaloosa? That's a great bike name!

Reed

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Eric <ericwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

First Clem and now Frank Jones, Jr.

Am I the only one not loving these names?

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[Patrick Moore]

The names are the least important part of Rivendell bicycles, but I have to agree that Frank Jones, Sr creates no appealing mystique in my mind. It's too bad they cannot anymore legally use the Tolkien names -- Bombadil and Legolas were just right.

Still, better Frank Jones, Sr than CAAD10 or Scalpel. It could be much, much worse.

Though Sam Hillborne seems, at least now, rather natural, no?

[Lungimsam]

Hilsen and Hillborne have a certain panache. But FJ just makes you think of a boiler room operator somewhere in Brooklyn.

Apologies to any one named FJ. The name is a fine, classy name standing alone. But when slapped on a downtube right after the release of a decal on their Clem Smith with a manhole cover on it, it just invokes the wrong visual.

[Lungimsam]

Wait, I think it was a manhole cover head tube badge on the Clem Smith and the ST decal showed a man climbing out of a sewer through a manhole?

Anyway, the use of the name Frank Jones right after that just led my mind in the wrong direction.

[John Hawrylak]

An name like Appaloosa conjures up pleasant thoughts.  I notice no says, " My Joe Appaloosa is ..."  It's always "My Appalooosa is...".  And NO one says " My Joey A is a great bike".

Frank Jones Sr is just a person name.  At worst it sounds campy, like you need to be in the know.

Is GP just thumbing the White Pages??

John Hawrylak

Woodstown NJ

[dstein]

I agree with Reed on this, can't say I wouldn't own a Hunq if it was called a Jim Clement, but I wouldn't feel so badass saying I own a Jim Clement as I would a Hunqapillar (which maybe others can't stand that name either?). The name shouldn't matter by any means, but it does for a lot of people. A lot of us get drawn in to rivendell partly because of the bike geometry and philosophy, but a large part of that is the initial aesthetics: paint colors, paint type, lugs, head badges (plus all the cool baskets and bags and handlebars Riv sells). You can't judge a book by its cover, but most of do anyway.

Clem Smith Jr still has a nice ring to it. Clem isn't a super common name (reminds me of a Nashville band called Clem Snide) and the Jr. adds a little mystery behind the family name. A Homer Hilsen sounds like a baseball player (which makes total sense when you hear the story behind it). Frank Jones Sr sounds like an insurance salesman who named his kid after him with high hopes he'd be a star athlete on the college football team playing for his dad's alma mater, but is probably disappointed that Frank Jones Jr is more into playing world of warcraft and going to school for computer science (probably dating myself on the WoW thing, and nothing against college football team, wow, or computer science).

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 3:21:33 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:

I hate to say it (and had in fact been keeping it to myself) but if my Hunqapillar had been named Jim Clement (or something of the ilk) I probably wouldn't own it.

These particular people names strike me as the least fun of all worlds. They're just so... Normal. Heck, I'd rather have a bike named Allez!

OTOH, Appaloosa? That's a great bike name!

Reed

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 9:04 AM, Eric <ericwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

First Clem and now Frank Jones, Jr.

Am I the only one not loving these names?

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[Joe Bernard]

I love my Joe Appaloosa with the cool horsey name and graphics; I think it's fits well with the sky blue paint 'cause I picture a beautiful horse under a sunny sky. But I couldn't for the life of me explain to someone what Joe Appaloosa means, or why it's presented as the maker of the bike, with the actual company name harder to find. It's just Grant's thing, and he owns the business!

[Bill Lindsay]

It's a little sad to me that there are people who would fail to enjoy their bike if it had a different name. For what it's worth, Hunqapillar is a family name that Grant saw on a mailbox on tour.

[David Stein]

I'm in no way saying i wouldn't enjoy the bike, but there's a certain appeal in the name and Rivendell has always had incredibly awesome names.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Bill Lindsay <tape...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's a little sad to me that there are people who would fail to enjoy their bike if it had a different name. For what it's worth, Hunqapillar is a family name that Grant saw on a mailbox on tour.

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[Grant @ Rivendell]

The only lug that doesn't allow angle-versatility is the CLEM lug, which is why we got the curvy seat stays--so we could make the chainsays the length we wanted. The upper seat stay socket is cast into the lug, so isn't variable. But structurally, it is SUPER.
The lug and seat stay cap combo below (two pieces--the lug; the "sta-cap") allows a million degrees of rotation, so there's no limit to the angle. It has a neo-funqui look to it that I am warming up to because I see the structural advantages and some building possibilities, but right now, for me and for anybody who's gotten used to a normal side-of-lug attachment, it's TAKES some getting used to. It requires the same amount of brazing as a normal connection. Shown is the external cap, but there will be an internal one, too--Fancy and Plain.
I promise to St. Peter that if this style was around in 1931 or whatever, most subsequent bikes would have been made with it, but it's kind of odd that it's coming out in 2017, when, if you were to ask the next pro-clad bike rider you see "What's a seat lug?" he'd give you a three-letter, one-syllabel, palindromic answer!

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:27:50 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:

I'm wondering about this, at the bottom of the BLUG post:

So, are the seat stay caps separate from the rest of the lug, then brazed into the sockets on the back of the seat lug?  If so, that could be a good way to build bikes of differing geometries with a single seat lug casting.

The specific stay exit angle of the seat lug is what caused the Clem's bendy seat stays; the desired lug didn't offer the correct stay angle to match the loooong chainstays.

On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Richard Rios <richard...@gmail.com> wrote:

Looks like a rad project. Blug says it will be drop bar compatable so I'm guessing tt length should be reasonable. Wonder if it will be TiG or lugs though?

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[Tim Gavin]

Very cool, Grant.  I figured (correctly) it was something you cooked up to make a single seat lug casting work with any stay angle.  Lugged seat clusters for all!

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[James Warren]

huh

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[Grant Petersen]

JIm, you win the covered HUH Prize, as the first responder to a contest most didn't know was a contest! I will send you something in the mail designed to elicit the same response again!

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[James Warren]

hah!

(Thanks)

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[Edwin W]

Heh

Edwin

[Bill Lindsay]

I really like the wing motif on the Frank Jones headbadge, and I freaking love the ruler on the underside of the downtube decal.  I hope that's real and not just some printmakers reference.  It's a terrific look, in my opinion, and will look fine on the next revision of the poster that has all the Riv headbadges.  

Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA

[David Stein]

The name growing on me. The headbadge is badass. As a quickbeam owner (that is woefully neglected at the moment), I am super psyched about a new single speed. I was in Tokyo the other week for work and really wanted to go to a blue lug and wasn't staying too terribly far from one, maybe 2 or 3 stops on the JR line, but could not find the time, mostly because they didn't open till 2pm!

[drew]

HAHA i had the exact same experience in japan. i actually showed up at bluelug at like 10am. never made it back when they were open.