Atlantis vs. Sam

[Lungimsam]

For those of you who own or have owned both:

1. Do they ride differently with the same type of setup, or do they feel the same?
2. Both just as easily fender able?

[Bruce Smitham]

I've owned both and you can easily add fenders to either depending on which tires you are running. There are other posts on this group that document this. The biggest tires I can fit on my Sam Hillborne are BG Rock & Roads. The Hillborne is a nice all around bike. With Albatross bars, Shimano 9 speed XT FD & RD + Dura Ace bar-end shifters in friction mode- it's as smooth as butter. I don't own an Atlantis anymore. I've owned 2 previously. One was too small and the other too big. With that said, there is a difference in ride quality with the Atlantis. I can't really explain but it just kick's ass in all types of terrain. 

I ride my Salsa Fargo with Jones bars and my Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross much more these days. Rodeo and Hillborne hang on the garage walls for now.....

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

Bruce in San Diego

[WETH]

I only own an Atlantis not a Sam.  My 56cm Atlantis easily accommodates Big Apple tires (26x2.1) with a fender.  Photo here: https://flic.kr/p/eJG3bc

I would echo Bruce that my Atlantis "kick's ass in all types of terrain."

Erl

[bo richardson]

i know someone who might buy a Rodeo if it
were a 54 or 55....

[Bruce Smitham]

It's a 59cm and not sure if it's for saw just yet...



Bruce Smitham

> On Feb 9, 2016, at 8:49 AM, bo richardson <boru...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> i know someone who might buy a Rodeo if it
> were a 54 or 55....
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[BenG]

If you're choosing between them before purchasing, and can afford either, then you won't regret having the option to put more tire in the Atlantis. I have a Sam on 38's and a mystery bike (long cool Sam) that rubs its 50's. I would still like to run 2"tires with decent fender clearance. The fat tires feel that much better to me.

[Patrick Moore]

Bruce: knowing the Fargo (at least, the 17" first edition, pre suspension model) and not knowing the Atlantis, I'd be very interested to hear your description of how the Atlantis rides compared to the Fargo.

The Atlantis (and the Roadeo) is one Riv model I'd buy had I the cash.

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[Patrick Kelly]

If one is trying to decide between an Atlantis and a Sam Hillborne,
isn't the answer a Joe Appaloosa? :)

[Bill Lindsay]

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 11:37:54 AM UTC-8, Patrick D Kelly wrote:

If one is trying to decide between an Atlantis and a Sam Hillborne,
isn't the answer a Joe Appaloosa? :)

It does depend on the context of what the OP is trying to achieve.  The OP has posted on another thread where a retailer close to him has a demo Atlantis on the sales floor in a size that might be appropriate.  So, just guessing, it sounds like the OP is considering going to ride this demo bike and is curious whether a small Atlantis will be preferable to the small Hillborne that he already has.  I can't tell if he wants to conclude that his Hillborne is just as good as an Atlantis (because it is), or if he wants to conclude that the Atlantis is much nicer (which it is) and therefore justifies him upgrading from a Hillborne to an Atlantis.  Maybe (and best of all), maybe he wants to conclude that the Atlantis is sufficiently different from his Hillborne to justify having both in his stable (which it is).  

I happen to have both a Hillborne and an Atlantis (and will have an Appaloosa very soon).  I don't have them set up the same.  The Hillborne is setup as a sporty road bike with Barlow Pass tires, and I sometimes make it into a sporty cross bike with Rock and Road tires.  My Atlantis is set up as a classic loaded touring bike.  Set up the same, I think they ride about the same, like a Rivendell.  I think the Atlantis looks a lot "nicer" and I appreciate the costly details in the Atlantis, and in a way I appreciate the clever cost saving shortcuts on the Hillborne.  I think it's great to own them both.  My opinions are not necessarily relevant to the OP, though, for two reasons.  One, I don't know the context, what he wants to conclude.  Two, my bikes are both 700c, while his small Hillborne is 650B and his small Atlantis will be 26".  So he has differences that I don't have.  Furthermore, my Hillborne has cantilever brakes, his does not, etc.  

So my answers to the OP two questions are:

1.  Same

2.  Yes

[RJM]

Both are easy to fender depending on your tire size. The Atlantis (in my size which uses 26" tires) can take a wider tire than the Hillborne. But also, in my particular size, the Hillborne was 650b and the Atlantis is 26" wheel size...I think the Hillborne was a faster bike, in general. I could descend a hill on the Hillborne full speed with absolutely no problem

I pretty much have the same setup on the Atlantis as on the Hillborne and I think they both ride well with caveats. The Atlantis handles a load better and going up hills it doesn't have the front wheel wobble my Sam sometimes showed. This was more pronounced with just a rear load on the Sam. The Atlantis rides better loaded down rather than bare, I feel, which is good because I generally ride that bike carrying a load. If unloaded, I think the Atlantis feels just a tad dead on the road and I didn't feel that on the Sam, which I rode unloaded quite a bit.

I personally think the Atlantis is the better looking bike; I find the color, the cream headtube, the headbadge, and the lugs a bit better looking than the Sam. Not that the Sam was a bad looking bike, just that the Atlantis is a little fancier.

I see room for both of these bikes, but the Atlantis set up with front and rear big racks and the Hillborne ready to ride quicker. That's just me though.

[Lungimsam]

I was thinking about maybe trying to find a way to get a canti-riv-frame, and the Atlantises look good. But I have heard they are more heavily built than the Sams. As I have a Sam, I was wondering how it felt in comparison.

I wanted to compare it to a Sam because I don't want to buy a bike that may be more sluggish, heavily built.

But I see there are no 650b options in my size, so that nixes it anyway.

Other recipients:

I was interested in thinking about getting a canti riv frame, but I see there is no 650b size so it is a no-go.

[Will]

You will not find Atlantis to be stiff or sluggish. The geometry is great. You put good tires on it and it will ride with the wind. Don't get crazy on wheel size. I'm running 559 x 46mm tires. They roll great.

I'll never sell my Atlantis. It is the beast.

[Bruce Smitham]

Hi Patrick,

My Fargo is quite different compared to the wrong size Atlantis bikes I owned. I didn't feel comfortable MTN biking on the Atlantis because that frame was too large. I'll try to compare for you: My large size Fargo fits me perfect. Probably better than any other bike I own. I think it performs better off-roading because of the disc brakes, Jones loop bars, good size Nobby Nic tires. It's definitely more rigid and I feel that most in the 1 1/8" threadless steerer tube. There is no handlebar shimmy at all but it's a bit of a tank in terms of it's weight. I would love to have the same bike in a titanium version. I can ride no-handed with the front loaded. During my tour last summer from Paso Robles along the coast to San Luis Obispo I used Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 50mm tires that rode awesome. Combined with a Tubus Tara Big Apple rack and Ortlieb City Front panniers it handled amazing. So the Atlantis was livelier and more flexy- especially with the 1" quill stem. I would get a little handlebar shimmy when I rode hands-free with or without a front load. I hate handlebar shimmy. I would love to have an Atlantis in my proper size of either 56cm or 58cm but I just built up a Ritchey Breakaway Ti Cross that I just love.

I hope this helps.

Cheers,

Bruce

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[dougP]

Tires make a difference that I would not have guessed without experiencing.  On my Atlantis, my "go to" tires are Schwalbe 40 mm Marathon Supremes.  Not light but not total tanks either.  Changing to 38 mm Soma C lines seems way more different than the 2 mm & 100 gram per tire difference would suggest.  My wife rides a 47 cm Atlantis with 1.5" Compass & loves the ride. 

dougP

[Garth]

 
I can only say, every frame is perfect.
No comparisons could ever make sense.
No matter what appears, perfection is present :)

[Mark Reimer]

Between the two I'd say definitely get an Atlantis. An Atlantis can do everything a Hillborne can, but not the other way around. You'll never be bummed to have more clearance, but it always sucks to find out you can't run a tire/fender combo because of a lack of clearance. The Atlantis is the Riv crown jewel in my mind. Classic, timeless, beautiful, endlessly versatile. With Barlow Pass 38's, my Atlantis isn't sluggish. It's no spirited race bike mind you, but neither is a Hillborne. Point is, you can be comfortable spinning away all day on that bike without feeling like you're fighting against the frame. Just get one!