Gus owners, does your RD/shifter cable rub against kickstand bracket?

[Scott]

Gus owners,

When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. Not proper in my mind.

If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave it? What say you?

Scott

[lconley]

Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?

Pictures are always helpful.

Laing

[iamkeith]

Here's what I did. (this is on my Susie Longbolts, but same thing).  This is a piece of 1/2" thick HDPE sheet.  I really did this to kick the cable outward a little, in order to clear some really wide 2.8" tires and, now, fenders.  But it had the bonus of "lifting" the cable away from the turned--down edge of the bracket, too.   If you don't need the width clearance, you could also just use a small piece of cable housing liner tube.  I do that often because, like you, I don't like the idea of cables rubbing on the frame.  You just have to check it every few years to make sure it hasn't worn through.

[lconley]

Did you try using the other hole on the BB cable guide?

Laing

[iamkeith]

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:07:21 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

Did you try using the other hole on the BB cable guide?

In  the case of the OP's  question, it is more an issue of vertical clearance than side-to-side.   That part doesn't change if you move the bb cable guide to the other hole.  The guide position shown on my bike is correct, because that's the one that routes the front derailleur cable properly.  I guess if I was using a rear derailleur only, I could have moved mine - but it still would have rubbed on the kickstand plate.

[iamkeith]

...  The guide position shown on my bike is correct, because that's the one that routes the front derailleur cable properly.  I guess if I was using a rear derailleur only, I could have moved mine - but it still would have rubbed on the kickstand plate.

(But "yes," I did try the other hole. )

[Brian Turner]

Yes, mine does this too. Just barely touches one of the lips on the underside of the bracket (there's actually two lips), but it's enough to be concerning for sure. In regards to using the other hole to shift the plastic cable guide over a bit - I don't think that would help in this case. If anything, it might make the situation worse by moving the RD cable to where it rubs the outside edge of the plate.

I really like Keith's solution... using something with relatively low friction like HDPE would definitely help "glide" the cable, rather than abrade the metal of the kickstand plate. Now, I need to find an old HDPE cutting board that I can chop up!

[Josiah Anderson]

Yep, mine does it too. Aesthetically disappointing and might wear out the cable a bit faster, and might also take off some paint, but my Gus came to me with paint dings already and the cable will probably break at the shifter or derailer first anyway so I've decided to ignore it.

Josiah Anderson

Missoula, MT

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[Richard Rose]

Very interesting. My rear derailleur has yet to arrive but this got my attention! So I installed the guide to eyeball the situation. It does not look like it will be an issue but it certainly will not take me by surprise.:)

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[Scott Luly]

Richard,

I don't think that's correct hole in cable guide to pass screw through. If you position cable guide using that hole, it moves guide (for FD cable) more inboard and your FD cable will likely interfere with whatever you mount on underside of down tube cage bosses. Eyeball the line of site from cable guide along underside of down tube to see what I mean.

As always, I may be incorrect...

Scott

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[Hunter Harr]

Had this problem on two of my Sam Hillbornes over the years. My solution was to take a hacksaw to them, and just cut the corners off the offending area at 45 degrees. Used painters tape on the stay to protect it, then just filed and sanded the the exposed end flat. Took the cut off piece to drug store and found some nail polish that was close match and just touched up the one exposed edge. Sorry, no pictures and did not have an issue with current Sam or Joe.

[iamkeith]

FWIW, @brokebike's reply reminded me:  With the guide shifted outward like this photo, my derailleur cable DID land right at the edge of the kickstand plate. So the wear to the cable and frame could have been worse.  I think the contours of the fillet on my bike made it less-than perfect in that position, too.  So all things considered and trying different options, the position in my photos worked best for me.

Also, I did briefly attempt to drill holes in the turned-down edges on the kickstand plate, in an effort to "tunnel" the derailleur cable through it.  (I seem to recall having some similar detail on a chainstary brace on an old Ritchey mtb at some point.)  Because it was hard to get a drill (or center punch) at the correct angle, it became evident pretty quickly that I was going to mess up some paint somewhere.  Plus, it would have fixed the cable position permanently.  So the HDPE guide was actually my fix option #4 or #5.  It's pretty perfect, I think. 

(Also, when I say "fix", I don't really mean there is a design flaw in the bike.   It's just one of those things you need to discover and work out, same as any bike)

[Brian Turner]

Riffing on Keith’s HDPE “fix”, I think my plan is to find (or fashion) an appropriately thick piece of HDPE so that it is actually slightly thicker than those turned down “lips” of the plate. Then, I’ll channel an open groove (rather than a tunnel that encloses the cable) for the cable to glide against and in theory, should provide enough offset to not rub against metal. I’m not popped about drilling another hole in the plate to attach it, so maybe some sort of strong adhesive will work… I dunno.

On Jan 18, 2023, at 2:18 PM, iamkeith <keith...@gmail.com> wrote:

FWIW, @brokebike's reply reminded me:  With the guide shifted outward like this photo, my derailleur cable DID land right at the edge of the kickstand plate. So the wear to the cable and frame could have been worse.  I think the contours of the fillet on my bike made it less-than perfect in that position, too.  So all things considered and trying different options, the position in my photos worked best for me.

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[lconley]

I currently own 11 Rivendells.

7 of them use derailleurs.

6 of the 7 have kickstand mounting brackets - the Custom does not.

All 6 of the bikes with derailleurs and kickstand plates, including the Gus Boots Willsen, have the cable guide offset to the side to clear the kickstand plate. The Custom uses the "centered" cable guide.

2 of the bikes with derailleurs and kickstand plates and offset cable guides have front derailleurs - they work perfectly with the offset cable guide.

In my mind, that is the purpose of the two holes in the cable guide, one for bikes with no kickstand, one for bikes with the kickstand. I think some of you are creating a solution for a problem that does not exist. Note that if you in fact mount a kickstand, with or without the kickstand plate, the kickstand itself will be in the way of the cable if you do not offset the guide. I realize that the cables may not be bilaterally symmetrical with the downtube when offsetting the cable guide, but we need not play by the Velominati rules when assembling a Rivendell (Velominati rules dictates that you cross the cables anyway). I even put the indexing 9 speed Dura-Ace rear shifter on Paul Thumbie mount on the left side of the handlebars, flipped Riv-style, on my Rosco Bubbe V1.

I do not think that the Rosco Bubbe front derailleur cable would even work with a centered cable guide:

Laing

Delray Beach FL

[Brian Turner]

Here’s a photo of my Gus and the RD cable run in relation to the kickstand plate. Mine is from the earlier batch, predating the current colors, so I don’t know if there’s any differences in how they were constructed.

As you can see, no matter where you situated the cable guide, the RD cable isn’t going anywhere near your kickstand because the plate is so wide on these, the mounting hole is offset to the non-drive side to clear the rear tire. Hopefully you can also see how shifting the plastic cable guide would only risk pushing the cable to the outside (drive side) edge of the plate where it would potentially rub the metal even more.

-B

On Jan 19, 2023, at 8:28 AM, lconley <lco...@brph.com> wrote:

I currently own 11 Rivendells.

7 of them use derailleurs.

6 of the 7 have kickstand mounting brackets - the Custom does not.

All 6 of the bikes with derailleurs and kickstand plates, including the Gus Boots Willsen, have the cable guide offset to the side to clear the kickstand plate. The Custom uses the "centered" cable guide.

2 of the bikes with derailleurs and kickstand plates and offset cable guides have front derailleurs - they work perfectly with the offset cable guide.

In my mind, that is the purpose of the two holes in the cable guide, one for bikes with no kickstand, one for bikes with the kickstand. I think some of you are creating a solution for a problem that does not exist. Note that if you in fact mount a kickstand, with or without the kickstand plate, the kickstand itself will be in the way of the cable if you do not offset the guide. I realize that the cables may not be bilaterally symmetrical with the downtube when offsetting the cable guide, but we need not play by the Velominati rules when assembling a Rivendell (Velominati rules dictates that you cross the cables anyway). I even put the indexing 9 speed Dura-Ace rear shifter on Paul Thumbie mount on the left side of the handlebars, flipped Riv-style, on my Rosco Bubbe V1.

I do not think that the Rosco Bubbe front derailleur cable would even work with a centered cable guide:

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Laing

Delray Beach FL

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:18:03 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

...  The guide position shown on my bike is correct, because that's the one that routes the front derailleur cable properly.  I guess if I was using a rear derailleur only, I could have moved mine - but it still would have rubbed on the kickstand plate.

(But "yes," I did try the other hole. )

 

Laing

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 12:02:38 PM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

Here's what I did. (this is on my Susie Longbolts, but same thing).  This is a piece of 1/2" thick HDPE sheet.  I really did this to kick the cable outward a little, in order to clear some really wide 2.8" tires and, now, fenders.  But it had the bonus of "lifting" the cable away from the turned--down edge of the bracket, too.   If you don't need the width clearance, you could also just use a small piece of cable housing liner tube.  I do that often because, like you, I don't like the idea of cables rubbing on the frame.  You just have to check it every few years to make sure it hasn't worn through.

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 9:46:00 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

Which hole in the under BB cable guide are you using?

Pictures are always helpful.

Laing

On Wednesday, January 18, 2023 at 10:48:02 AM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

Gus owners,

When doing a trial run of my RD/shifter cable from the BB cable guide to chain stay housing stop, it contacts underside of the kickstand bracket. Not proper in my mind.

If you have same situation, how are you going to correct it, or just leave it? What say you?

Scott

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[Doug Van Cleve]

Hey Brian.

I can't really tell from the photo angles, but could the cable run above the plate for better clearance?

Doug

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[Brian Turner]

Hi Doug, no unfortunately there’s no way to route the cable that way.

- Brian 

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Hey Brian.

I can't really tell from the photo angles, but could the cable run above the plate for better clearance?

Doug

On Fri, Jan 20, 2023 at 6:55 AM Brian Turner <brok...@gmail.com> wrote:

Here’s a photo of my Gus and the RD cable run in relation to the kickstand plate. Mine is from the earlier batch, predating the current colors, so I don’t know if there’s any differences in how they were constructed.

As you can see, no matter where you situated the cable guide, the RD cable isn’t going anywhere near your kickstand because the plate is so wide on these, the mounting hole is offset to the non-drive side to clear the rear tire. Hopefully you can also see how shifting the plastic cable guide would only risk pushing the cable to the outside (drive side) edge of the plate where it would potentially rub the metal even more.

-B

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[lconley]

Boy, did I have this one wrong.

I am in fact using a single hole BB cable guide with a spacer beneath it. 

If my failing memory serves correctly, the BB guide was from my VO Neutrino and the spacer is made from the circular spacers that you get with stuff that clamps to the frame or handle bars ( I save these in my parts stash). The VO Neutrino was set up single speed and the VO cable guide is thicker (less spacer needed). This is a first batch 700C Gus.

Laing

[Ronald Halili]

Mine touches barely.