Paul Racer M's on my Rambouillet
stevep33
high polish one's, on my Rambouillet. Major piece of bike bling.
They replaced a pair Tektro R538's. The Tektro's worked well and there
was just enough clearance for Honjo 41mm fenders and Grand Bois 30's.
That said, the Paul brakes are a nice upgrade: better clearance, more
power and very pretty. Installation was pretty straight-forward once
I found a rear cable hanger short enough for my 56cm frame and an in-
line cable adjuster. I haven't fiddled too much with the brakes yet,
not having had time to ride any significant distances, but I already
like these brakes after a short trip around the block. The brake pads
may need some toe-in still. Tomorrow or the next day should allow
time for a full test ride.
I put together a set of photos on my Flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/sets/72157623702627095/
JoelMatthews
they will find their way onto many a nice bike - such as your lovely
Ram.
cyclotourist
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Steve Palincsar
> I just installed a set of the Paul Racer M brakes, the center mount
> high polish one's, on my Rambouillet. Major piece of bike bling.
> They replaced a pair Tektro R538's. The Tektro's worked well and there
> was just enough clearance for Honjo 41mm fenders and Grand Bois 30's.
> That said, the Paul brakes are a nice upgrade: better clearance, more
> power and very pretty. Installation was pretty straight-forward once
> I found a rear cable hanger short enough for my 56cm frame and an in-
> line cable adjuster. I haven't fiddled too much with the brakes yet,
> not having had time to ride any significant distances, but I already
> like these brakes after a short trip around the block. The brake pads
> may need some toe-in still. Tomorrow or the next day should allow
> time for a full test ride.
There's no doubt, centerpulls are definitely back! I love my Paul
Racers, and these look to be every bit as nice.
amoll68
Nice bike, Steve!
Best, Alex
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and model. You'd think they were easy to find but here... I have a
pair of the regular Paul's center-pulls I'd like to use. Thanks
Esteban
fit 43/45mm Honjos? Their sometimes measured at either size. Is that
what you mean by 40mm?
And with the Grand Bois! Those measure closer to 32 in real life,
right? Bravo. You and Paul have maybe just given Ram/Rom owners some
breathing room.
Esteban
San Diego, Calif.
On Apr 11, 7:03 am, "clevewh...@gmail.com" <clevewh...@gmail.com>
wrote:
James Warren
One reason I didn't bring the Ram this weekend is that I use Jack Browns on it exclusively now, and I have therefore ruled out fenders on the bike, and there is a chance of rain.
What if Jack Browns and fenders become a reality on the Ram...
-Jim W.
Mike
The brakes, fenders and tires look like a great combo--stylish and
practical.
--mike
On Apr 10, 4:55 pm, stevep33 <steve...@gmail.com> wrote:
Jason
this strong on a center mount, is there any noticeable flex in the
brake? I can see the support from the post mounted version, but can
see the center bolt being overpowered under hard braking.
Looks wonderful!
j.
CycloFiend
> I would love to hear reviews of the center mount Racers. With a brake
> this strong on a center mount, is there any noticeable flex in the
> brake? I can see the support from the post mounted version, but can
> see the center bolt being overpowered under hard braking.
I think realistically, you will start skidding (which then effectively
reduces the forces at the brake) long before you snap the bolt or ovalize
the hole.
Of course, that assumes properly a torqued bolt.
Gino was running one of the prototypes last August and I watched it work
very well for him on a tricky descent. His report at the time (you might
search archives here as it's popped up a few times while in proto-mode) was
little to no discernable flex in the brake.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3780328670/
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stevep33
I were to replace the hangers, I'd get the Grand Cru hangers that VO
sells, but the ones I included with the brakes work just fine
On Apr 11, 10:03 am, "clevewh...@gmail.com" <clevewh...@gmail.com>
wrote:
stevep33
told that Honjo's vary a few mm's batch to batch, so maybe they shoot
for 43 and get something a bit bigger or smaller. Harris calls them
41's or maybe 40's. The Grand Bois tires measure almost exactly 30mm
on my Mavic Open Pro rims, but they are relatively narrow rims and rim
width affects the inflated tire width. The fenders pair well with the
tires. I would not run a fatter tire, such as a 32 Pasela, with this
fender. A Honjo 43 or 45 would probably be a better choice for a
slightly wider tire, and I think they would fit just fine with the
Paul Racer M's.
stevep33
notice any flex or other issues. The brakes feel good when braking
hard. They seem to apply power intuitively; you can apply moderate
and even power or go ahead and lock up the wheels. Very nice
overall.
There was a bit of squeal in the front brake at first, but that went
away after several miles; maybe the pads needed some break-in. I'm
not sure I'll even toe-in the pads.
Jason
powerful brake with loads of modulation would flew on that bolt,
creating a spongy feeling.
j.
On Apr 11, 1:18 pm, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> on 4/11/10 7:34 AM, Jason at j.achil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I would love to hear reviews of the center mount Racers. With a brake
> > this strong on a center mount, is there any noticeable flex in the
> > brake? I can see the support from the post mounted version, but can
> > see the center bolt being overpowered under hard braking.
>
> I think realistically, you will start skidding (which then effectively
> reduces the forces at the brake) long before you snap the bolt or ovalize
> the hole.
>
> Of course, that assumes properly a torqued bolt.
>
> Gino was running one of the prototypes last August and I watched it work
> very well for him on a tricky descent. His report at the time (you might
> search archives here as it's popped up a few times while in proto-mode) was
> little to no discernable flex in the brake.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/3780328670/
>
> - J
>
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CycloFiend
> Oh, I was not implying that it would snap, rather if this nice
> powerful brake with loads of modulation would flew on that bolt,
> creating a spongy feeling.
assuming "flew" = "flex".... ;^)
Without getting deeply into general brake design, "sponginess" you feel at
the lever has more to do with the specific mechanical advantage. Brakes
that feel "hard" (or as we used to call 'em - "pukka-pukka") are less
powerful. Sheldon wrote it more elegantly than I can relate here:
http://sheldonbrown.com/cantilever-geometry.html
Flexing on the bolt is not too likely, but if it occurred, I would suspect
it would create chatter as it moved on the rim, rather than a change in
feel. Again, there I think you'd find the rear wheel locked before flex like
that could occur.
- J
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Steve Palincsar
> Oh, I was not implying that it would snap, rather if this nice
> powerful brake with loads of modulation would flew on that bolt,
> creating a spongy feeling.
Why would it be any different from every sidepull brake, all of which
mount on a center bolt?
Esteban
some Paul Ms???
If you could fit a 40... that's pretty close to "Hilsen-izing" those
bikes! Without the rack mounts, of course.
Esteban
San Diego, Calif.
William
That's exactly the term and the trade off I use when setting up
cantilevers. Shorter flatter straddle => more spongy but more
powerful. Taller straddle => more rim clearance and more pukka-
pukka. I picked up pukka-pukka in 1988, working at a shop. I
remember the mechanic who taught me the term.
On Apr 12, 12:08 am, CycloFiend <cyclofi...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> on 4/11/10 12:54 PM, Jason at j.achil...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Oh, I was not implying that it would snap, rather if this nice
> > powerful brake with loads of modulation would flew on that bolt,
> > creating a spongy feeling.
>
> assuming "flew" = "flex".... ;^)
>
> Without getting deeply into general brake design, "sponginess" you feel at
> the lever has more to do with the specific mechanical advantage. Brakes
> that feel "hard" (or as we used to call 'em - "pukka-pukka") are less
> powerful. Sheldon wrote it more elegantly than I can relate here:
>
> http://sheldonbrown.com/cantilever-geometry.html
>
> Flexing on the bolt is not too likely, but if it occurred, I would suspect
> it would create chatter as it moved on the rim, rather than a change in
> feel. Again, there I think you'd find the rear wheel locked before flex like
> that could occur.
>
> - J
>
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stevep33
with the Paul R.M's, but a Hilsen will fit that 700x40 tire with a
fender with room to spare; that is a whole other category of fat.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/27988383@N06/4099703484/
Patrick in VT
>I just installed a set of the Paul Racer M brakes, the center mount
>high polish one's, on my Rambouillet.
Hi, Steve - looks great! I noticed the tape on the fender - I assume
this is b/c the arms touch when you open them up to release the
wheel? does the wheel clear without deflating?
rperks
What 700x40 do you hace in mind?
Likewise these seem like a viable reason to spend money and keep the
rom.
Rob
> > mount on a center bolt?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Esteban
Rob - Oh, I'm just thinking out loud. I think the Ram/Rom shines with
27/28mm tires. The fact that they can run 35s or 37s makes them great
for dirt, too. Just a great all-around bike.
The Ms are very attractive brakes, for sure. If they fit a 40-ish
Honjos and 30mm tires, that will open up some possibilities for
people. I have no tire in mind... just want to see how far these
tires will stretch the bike! I wonder what they could do for a
Roadeo.
stevep33
was touching the caliper, and the tape dampened the vibration/rattle
when going over bumps. The tape isn't needed anymore with the new
Paul brakes; there is no fender/caliper contact. The wheel clears
without deflating too.
Patrick in VT
> The tape isn't needed anymore with the new
> Paul brakes; there is no fender/caliper contact. The wheel clears
> without deflating too.
sweet. nice set-up.
William
What size rings are you running on your TAs?
stevep33
William
If you run a taller straddle, it takes less brake lever travel to get
the brake pads to hit the rim. So to get the same travel on your
hand, you run the brake pads father away from the rim. More rim
clearance.
If you run a shorter straddle, the brake lever feel at your hand is
spongier. To avoid feeling like you are squishing the brake lever all
the way to the bars, you run your brakes tight, and you don't have as
much rim clearance.
On Apr 13, 9:30 pm, happyriding <happyrid...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 11:47 am, William <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <or as we used to call 'em - "pukka-pukka">
>
> > That's exactly the term and the trade off I use when setting up
> > cantilevers. Shorter flatter straddle => more spongy but more
> > powerful. Taller straddle => more rim clearance and more pukka-
> > pukka.
>
> I'm confused. Why does a taller straddle (if I'm understanding what
> that means) give more rim clearance?