WTB/WTT: 60cm Platypus frameset for my 64 Clem L

[Justin Kennedy]

Just throwing this out there in case anyone has a 60cm Platty frameset they're looking to unload or would be up for trading for my 64 Clem (in Lime Olive). Would pay $$ differential, of course. I love the Clem but got an itch for something a little different. 

Let me know if you'd be interested in discussing, etc. Thanks!

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…

Leah

[Leah Peterson]

Justin, it says C&L has one in Canada. I’ve bought from them before, they are the loveliest people. 

Leah 

On Jul 31, 2023, at 2:18 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

I’ll do some digging and see if I can find you one, Justin. But I’m so curious - I know you loved that Clem and you used to have a Cheviot. Are you missing your old Chev? I have both bikes and I find the Platypus far superior to my Clem so I get it. I’ll get to looking…

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[Justin Kennedy]

Thanks Leah. I saw that, but was hoping to get one at a used price or to trade. Otherwise, I may hold out until the Sergio Green plattys are released (September according to the most recent calendar?) 

Like I said, I love my Clem but yes, I miss the Cheviot and am itching for something a little different. I rode Will's platypus when I was there last summer and really dug it. Seems like every two years I need to change it up ;-)

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Are they coming in Sergio Green? I had heard silver and Ana Purple but that was many months ago. They maybe changed it. Do you know what the second color will be?

Good luck with your search. I love a Platy above all else. I bet you don’t sell it, even in 2 years when you get the itch to try something new. ☺️

[Justin Kennedy]

Yep and apparently they're doing completes, too? I'm not entirely sure this is correct but I think James told me a few weeks ago that they're coming in Sergio Green. 

[Johnny Alien]

I love my blue Clem but dark green and orange sounds sooo nice.

[Doug H.]

What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.

Doug 

[Leah Peterson]



Doug, Well, I can tell you in earnest! Now, you know I’m on your side about Clem-loving. I will never sell mine. But the Platy is more nimble and fits me like a glove. I race it around on club rides. But I can also haul a bunch of stuff with it. What can you not do with the Platy? Well, gravel rides aren’t ideal, I suppose.  Also, I hardly ever see a Cheviot for sale. I think people tend to keep the Rivendell mixtes. I’ve wondered why, but that is a subject for another thread.

The Clem is also good at many things on that list, excluding club riding.  That one time the Platy was in the shop and I took it to the club ride…I nearly died that day, astride my blue Clem…ah, memories.

What do you think, Justin? You’ve had a Chev and a Clem…

L

On Jul 31, 2023, at 8:56 PM, Doug H. <dhansf...@gmail.com> wrote:

What is it about the Platypus that relegates the Clem to not quite good enough? I ask in jest. I'm loving my Clem and if I bought a Platy it would have to be Clem plus one. I hope you find one in trade Justin but like Leah said it seems folks don't move on from a Platypus often.

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[Johnny Alien]

I am shocked Leah....as someone who regularly takes a bike with extra weight and a non-ideal gear ranges on club rides I think its unfair to label the Clem as not suitable for the same. I (personally) would probably make changes to a Platy set up as such before using it for club rides but YES as we have seen it can be used for that. I stand by the fact that people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. I just don't agree.

[Leah Peterson]

I can be shocking! But I had my blue Clem as my only Riv for a long time, and I had it set up as best I could with light parts and wheels and tires and still I was exhausted riding it at speed and up hills. The Platy solved that for me, and I had light parts on both and had Analog build both wheelsets. 

I tried the Clem for a club ride and I’m not lying when I say it taxed me. My heart beat so fast with the work I was putting in that I was throwing PACs. Now, I don’t know your demographics but for a 5’6” 128 lb woman it was work to race that Clem around. There’s nothing lowly about a Clem and I wouldn’t call the bike slow, either. But it’s not a club racer by design, and I certainly couldn’t make it into one.

On Jul 31, 2023, at 11:01 PM, Johnny Alien <johnny....@gmail.com> wrote:

I am shocked Leah....as someone who regularly takes a bike with extra weight and a non-ideal gear ranges on club rides I think its unfair to label the Clem as not suitable for the same. I (personally) would probably make changes to a Platy set up as such before using it for club rides but YES as we have seen it can be used for that. I stand by the fact that people just setup Clems differently and that leads to the whole "heavy and not as nimble" thought. Riv geometry is Riv geometry and there is nothing specific that makes the Platy majorly different other than how people treat them and adorn them. Personally I prefer the greater stepoverability of the Clem but I DO understand the reason why it gets labeled as lowly and slow. I just don't agree.

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[Johnny Alien]

Haha! You can indeed be shocking. My point is that the Platy is not really a club rider. It can be made to be closer to one but you don't have it decked out that way. If I was going to use it for fast rides I would lose the fenders and racks, go to light drops with brifters, even lighter wheels (I know that analog and HOW build great wheels that can be pretty light but I can bet that it doesn't have less than 32 spokes because they focus on really good solid wheels not the absolute lightest), do you have lights on it?? I can't remember...those would go if they are there. And at the end of the day you would still have a slack geometry and LONG wheelbase thats not typical go fast geometry. And none of that is being critical because you know its not ideal in fact I always took your point in all of to be that any good bike can be used for that if you want to. There is not a world of difference between a Platy and a Clem. The biggest thing is the beauty of the frame and the lugs. I don't doubt you felt a difference but there are lots of factors that could be coming in to play. People tend to put robust wheels on Clems because they are a workhorse and a commuter and they treat it as such and tires make sure a huge difference. But it could be many things.

I have light supple wheels set up tubeless on mine with a good wheelset and I can feel the geometry difference between it and my road focused Gallop more than anything else. But the geometry difference between the Platy and Clem is not that extreme. It was built to be lugless and affordable not necessarily more robust (although I am sure to a degree it is). I would be shocked if there was any major weight difference between the two frames when stripped down.

[Sarah Carlson]

The matchmaker at work again!

[Joe Bernard]

Johnny, 

Her Clem and Platypus (the one she uses on club rides) have similar builds (including the wheelsets) so you can take that out of the equation. The frames are not the same, Platy is a lighter-tubed pavement-oriented bike patterned after the Sam Hillborne. I'm quite sure she's right that head to head the Platy is going to be a bit easier to push hard in a group, and it doesn't have to be a major difference to be the difference between keeping up and feeling like you're struggling in a group of carbon dropbar bikes. Which I think is all she's saying, it's her opinion from her experience. Can you club ride a Clem? Sure, knock yourself out! It's just an opinion from someone who owns both bikes. 

Anyway, somebody sell Justin a 60cm Platy! 

Joe Bernard 

[Doug H.]

Speed is not an issue for me and my ole Clem as I ride almost exclusively solo. My question about Clem/Platypus was again in jest. Leah has ridden both more than most and so her opinion and comparison has credibility to me. That being said, I like the style of the Clem better which is obviously the most subjective take one can make between two bicycles. Me and ole Clem just mosey down the road and whatever speed is comfortable and have a jolly ole time doing it.

Doug

[Johnny Alien]

Joe, I'm not disputing people's experiences. I believe them as told. I am just saying that the geometry is pretty darn similar. So I am not sure what would make one feel more "nimble" than another. None of Rivendell's bikes have the lightest of tubes. Its all spec'd to what they feel makes sense for the purpose of the bike. I always take it with a grain of salt when they one of them is more robust than another. Based on paper I don't see a real reason why a Platy would feel more nimble that a Clem. The biggest thing that might make a difference would be the wheelbase length and they are within an inch of each other. Both are pretty darn long. But I love all Riv's for what they are and am not trying to argue people's preferences. There is no wrong answer with their bikes.

[Kim H.]

@Doug - I share with you in very similar view points, regarding riding my Clem, too. I ride solo. I am not in a big hurry to get where I am going. I enjoy the ride. Yes, it is a heavy bike. I do not know how much it weighs. However, I am not bothered by the weight, because of it is truly the most comfortable bicycle for me as a senior cyclist; an upright riding position, low gears, a long wheelbase, stable handling and the Bosco bars are most ideal.

For the record, I have no other experience riding any other Rivendell bicycles to compare my Clem with. I do not feel the need to, because my Clem suits my needs extraordinarily well.

Kim Hetzel

Yelm, WA.

[Ryan]

Justin...not a Platy but would the recently posted 60cm Chev work?

60 Cheviot frame in Austin

https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-60cm-rivendell-cheviot-frame/7636520917.html

[Johnny Alien]

That Cheviot is HOT! That bike had one of the best headbadges.

On Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 7:34:30 PM UTC-4 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

As far as club rides are concerned for and with the Clem, I would say yes, if most everyone in the group is moving at a slow pace.

Kim Hetzel.

[Kim H.]

[jaredwilson]

Love those green Cheviuts, something about the blue accents really works.

Justin, best of luck with your search!

jared

[Justin Kennedy]

Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. 

[Leah Peterson]

Well, I for one, am glad to hear it. Waiting for the next round of Platypuses is probably going to take too long, and it’s still riding season NOW. So, I’m thrilled for you and I hope you will post photos and give us your thorough review!

Leah

On Aug 10, 2023, at 9:52 AM, Justin Kennedy <thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ended up ordering that 60cm Platy from C&L. Will keep you posted with the build etc. Selling my Clem to a friend. Cheers everyone. 

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[Justin Kennedy]

James said likely October before the new ones are in. They're coming in Sergio Green and Dark Gold, both frames and completes. Unclear specs on the latter but maybe something similar to Clem completes? I'm going to switch most of the components from my Clem for the build. Hopefully some pics to share soon. 

[J Schwartz]

If Justin ever wants his old Chev frame back, he knows where to find me 😉

[Justin Kennedy]

It's a beauty! And in good hands.