RH tires tubeless and sealant woes

[Patrick Moore]

I’ve been adding ~2 fl oz of OS Endurance — OS Endurance worked almost 100% in fat low pressure Schwalbes and Somas — every 100 miles to my regular casing Oracle Ridges. It seems I get a week or two of riding before the goatheads are flatting the tires again. 

When setting up the ORs tubeless, the shop had to put about a pint of OS End in each tire before they sealed around the beads and before the sealant stopped weeping through the sidewalls.

I get no more sidewall seepage and the beads don’t bubble, but I must have added at least another pint of OS End to each tire since they were installed back in the Spring.

Again, never, not at all, uh uh, I didn’t have anything like this with Big Ones, Furious Freds, or Soma Supples Vitesses.

So: what selant do you use when you set up RH tires tubeless? 

What RH model, and the type of casing and width and pressure)?

How does it work — meaning, does it seal a metaphorical or statistical 99% of punctures almost at once, while riding, as OS End did with Schwalbes and Somas?

Does it need replenishing only very 3 months or so? (That was the interval here in the very dry desert SW.)

I will probably switch to OS Regular once I use up the remaining 2/3 quart of OS Endurance — I have no other tires to use it in, or perhaps try RH’s “Supple” sealant.

I look forward to peeling off the 300 grams of dried sealant from each of the Oracle Ridges.

Rene Herse Supple Sealant: Does anyone have experience with the RH Supple Sealant? Is it as good as OS?

And!! TPU tubes: has anyone confirmed by personal experience that there is a sealant that works with TPU tubes? I’d switch to those tubes and that sealant immediately — sealant in tubes is much easier to work with than sealant in tire casings. OS Regular works impeccably in the lightest weight 70 gram 26X1” and 100 gram 26 X 1.8” butyl tubes in extralight RH Elk Pass and Naches Pass tires 

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Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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[Patrick Moore]

One more question: Has anyone found another lightweight, supple, knobby 622X50 mm tire that rolls and corners as well as the Oracle Ridge? Does Schwalbe make anything similar? (I so hate Schwalbe’s website that I resist looking it up.)

I have a couple of pairs of 50 mm Soma Supple Vitesse SLs that roll and corner even better but these have no knobs and they tend to “plough” in sand. The Oracle Ridge is the Goldilocks tire that rolls and handles very well on pavement but maintains a decent line and traction in sand.

[Ryan Frahm]

I can only comment on the endurance casing RH tires but OS regular and endurance worked fine for me. I did notice the endurance definitely doesn’t seal as well so I ended up mixing the two and it has been great! But I’ve heard adding a pinch of glitter to the endurance helps quite a bit as well. 

[Ryan Frahm]

My daughter is rushing me but I meant to add that yes, at least every 3 months when I was down south. PNW weather, maybe a couple times a year.  

[christian poppell]

Hey Patrick, 

-In Phoenix, AZ commuting during the summer. 

-Switchback Hill 584x48 Extra light, they took a lot of sealant before they stopped weeping

-2 OZ Orange Seal Endurance every two-ish months. I'll do a shake test to see if there's any liquid in there.

Try adding sealant more frequently. The dry air really seems to do a number on the sealant. 

I've considered painting the inside of tires with a thin coat of redguard (elastomeric sealant used for waterproofing) to prevent new tires weeping saelant. Ill be sure to write a report If i ever get around to that experiment.

Christian

Phoenix, AZ

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. Christian: I'm already having to add sealant every 3 weeks or so; far more often than the every ~3 months with the Schwalbes and Somas. I'm looking for a sealant or a technique that can extend the intervals between replenishment.

My brother bought an industrial-sized can of carpet glue to apply to his Rat Trap Pass sidewalls, and it did reinforce them. I may try applying some to the inside of the tires. But I'll probably procrastinate until you beat me to it, so please do let us know results if you do this.

Aside: The Schwalbes and the Somas have what looks like a very light plastic film over the inside of the casing -- it doesn't affect the tires' suppleness -- which I think makes the difference with RH tires.

Ryan: I think I will try mixing Regular and Endurance, but I'm intrigue by glitter. I think I know what you mean from my daughter's arts and crafts days. But where do you buy this? And how much do you add per 2 fl oz of sealant? I suppose it's not rocket science and "looks good to me" should suffice, but I'll be interested in hearing your technique.

Thanks again, all.

Patrick Moore, whose Oracle Ridges are now once again holding air after adding yet more sealant (3 weeks after previous addition) in goatheady ABQ, NM.

On Tue, Oct 8, 2024 at 1:30 PM Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Ryan Frahm]

Patrick, I have to say that I’ve never actually added any glitter! I’m sure a craft store would have it though. I was told just a pinch per tire would be enough. The standard OS has quite a bit of it floating around in it and the endurance does not. I’ve been happy with the mix for summer and usually go back to standard when it cools down. 

[David]

I live up in the northeast and don’t ride skin walls. My sealant lasts forever. Sven in the summer, I have plenty left after six months. The downside is that worse riding up here isn’t ideal. 

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[Armand Kizirian]

In my personal history of wearing through a variety of Compass/Herse tires over the years, I don't set them up tubeless for the extralight or standard casing. Only Endurance/Endurance plus provide a fuss-free experience.