"My first Roadeo" and chainline/BB question

[Tim Gavin]

I received the 59 cm Roadeo frame from Dave N. yesterday.  It's gorgeous!  I had it shipped to my friends' bike shop and they were all drooling over it.

​It's not my first Rivendell roadie (I also have a Rivendell Road Standard, converted to a 650b tourer), but it's "my first Roadeo" (warning, nasty language in that video clip--from Mommie Dearest).

  

I'm equipping the Roadeo with a Sachs New Success 2x8 Ergopower gruppo I had on my Giordana XL-Eco.  That frame rides sweet (definitely "planing") and is very light, but it is a 57 (a little small for me) and only cleared 700 x 26 tires (quite skinny for me).

Preliminary build, awaiting proper BB, FD clamp, Brooks bar tape:

It fits 700 x 38 tires (Challenge Gravel Grinders pictured) with about 3 mm clearance at the brake caliper.

A question on chainline:  

The crank sits too close on the 107 mm BB spindle.  The rings do clear the chainstay (barely), but the chain line measures at 40-41 mm.  The standard chainline for a road double is 43.5, according to St. Sheldon.  

If I replace the 107 mm BB with a 113 mm BB, that will move each side outboard by 3 mm, correct?  I need 3 more mm to make the chainline correct.

(I would use the BB from the Giordana, but it has an Italian threaded shell).

Thanks,

Tim Gavin

Cedar Rapids, IA

[Nick Ybarra]

Short answer to your question: yup!  

Also, looks great.  Congrats on the new bike!

I used to have a Giordana XL-Super.  Rode great, loved that bike, definitely regret selling it.

Nick in ATX

[RJM]

That sounds like it will work....nice Roadeo.

[reynoldslugs]

A kinder, gentler roadeo alternative to Joan Crawford -  for those that love their damned old Roadeos.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0anqjYUD0D0

you can ride 'em down the toughest road you know.

(for the record, I'm gonna be able to use that Mommie Dearest clip..._

Rodeo Max

Santa Rosa

 

[reynoldslugs]

p.s., that is a great looking Roadeo.  I have one with a similar paint job:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625377490164

they are just terrific bikes.

Max

[Chad]

I just got my 53 Roadeo from Riv today. Happy to hear the 38 Gravel Grinder tires fit. How do you like them? I was planning on running a Jack Brown or 35c tire for mixed terrain/gravel. I've heard good things about the Clement XPlor USH and should fit the Roadeo.

[RJM]

I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack Brown. It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might say more comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for the way I ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a fast road bike for me.

[WETH]

Tim,
What a lovely bike. It's going to look so cool when you are done. I like that color scheme a lot.
-Erl

[Don Compton]

What size are you using? As a current Roadeo owner who rides 95% on paved roads, 700x28's are my favorite. I have been using Grand Bios Cerfs for many years. I tried the new Compass 32's but they felt sluggish to me. I guess tires are really a personal choice. For me the Grand Bois and Compass tires are definitely a step above the Jack Browns.

On another note, I hope that Tim will enjoy his Roadeo as much as I have. I have had a ton of bikes over the years, and have sold most of them because I just feel good riding my Roadeo, no matter the road surface or terrain.

Enjoy

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I ride my Roadeo with Grand Bois Cypres tires.  I have ridden that on several miles of fire roads, so it handles fine on dirt too.  I have also used Schwalbe Kojaks on the bike and they ride nicely too (although the Grand Bois is more cushy). 

Enjoy your bike!!

Toshi

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[Tim Wood]

Wow! Congrats on the new bike Tim, it's beautiful. Definitely my favourite Riv color combo. The more I look at roadeos the more I want to sell my 15lb carbon race bike and buy one - and since I got my Clem it just hangs in the garage collecting dust anyway. I had my heart set on a boulder all road or an ocean air rambler 650 rig for my "go fast" but hearing that the roadeo fits 38s has peaked my interest. Your fit and saddle height look bang on there, what is your pbh?

Tim

[RJM]

Last year I went from the 32mm  Compass Stampede to 25mm Continental Grand Prix 4000S on rims that are 22mm wide. It's a relatively fast tire that is still comfortable and allows me to ride the same size tube as my riding buddies. This past year I really rode the Roadeo as a kitted up club rider, so not the average Riv rider with that bike and sharing some of the same equipment has been helpful in the past. The bike holds it's own set up like this on fast club rides provided I haven't let my fitness go.

This year I got a new set of wheels which are 24.5 mm wide (outside dimension) at the rim with a 20.3 beat seat width and I will be running tubeless just to try it out. I haven't decided on a tire but I'm thinking about the Schwalbe Pro One.

[Tim Gavin]

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Nick Ybarra <nyb...@gmail.com> wrote:

Short answer to your question: yup!  

Also, looks great.  Congrats on the new bike!

I used to have a Giordana XL-Super.  Rode great, loved that bike, definitely regret selling it.

Nick in ATX

Thanks!  My 57 cm Giordana XL-Eco will be for sale soon.  Just over 4 pounds for F/F/HS, planes like a Wright Brother.

 

Thanks!  The dark grey / kidney red is my favorite color combo as well.  I'm glad that they did some of the Roadeos and not just the Hunqs.

 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 5:08 PM, Chad <cschoe...@gmail.com> wrote:

I just got my 53 Roadeo from Riv today.  Happy to hear the 38 Gravel Grinder tires fit. How do you like them? I was planning on running a Jack Brown or 35c tire for mixed terrain/gravel.  I've heard good things about the Clement XPlor USH and should fit the Roadeo.

I haven't ridden the Challenge Gravel Grinder tires yet.  I picked them up at the Madison, WI bike swap, intended for my plastic 'cross/gravel bike.  I've thoroughly enjoyed the quite-similar Bontrager CX0 tires on that bike (a Foundry Auger, with fenders of course!).  

The GG tires have a raised file tread down the middle, and the knobs are way over on the shoulders and shouldn't drag at all on normal road surfaces (but help out in the occasional muddy spot).

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 8:02 PM, RJM <crccp...@gmail.com> wrote:

I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack Brown. It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might say more comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for the way I ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a fast road bike for me.

I'm #220, so skinny tires feel like I'm riding on a solid wheel.  Iowa has multiple freeze cycles each winter and the roads are usually terrible.  So, the only place that was comfortable to ride my Giordana on 700 x 26 Cerfs is my local bike trail/MUP. The MUP gets congested and boring, so I rarely ride it any more (leaving no role for a skinny-tire-only bike in my stable). 

My Riv Road barely clears a 700 x 28, and I was unsatisfied with that situation.  Converting it to 650b x 38 made it ride great and way more versatile.

I just prefer wider tires, and I can ride them fast if they're light and supple.  

  

Thanks,  It's my favorite Riv color scheme, and it was a huge factor in the purchase decision.  It will look great with saddle-matching Brooks honey bar tape (on order).

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 9:07 PM, Don Compton <dpc...@gmail.com> wrote:

What size are you using? As a current Roadeo owner who rides 95% on paved roads, 700x28's are my favorite. I have been using Grand Bios Cerfs for many years. I tried the new Compass 32's but they felt sluggish to me. I guess tires are really a personal choice. For me the Grand Bois and Compass tires are definitely a step above the Jack Browns.

On another note, I hope that Tim will enjoy his Roadeo as much as I have. I have had a ton of bikes over the years, and have sold most of them because I just feel good riding my Roadeo, no matter the road surface or terrain.

Enjoy

I agree that the Compass tires are just about the fastest out there, and they deliver a great ride.  I'm also very satisfied with the value proposition of the Pari-Moto tires (Compass ride at half the price) but those are 650b only for now (they're on my Riv Road and my girlfriend's Soma San Marcos).

 

I'm keeping an eye out for a good deal on a fast 700 x 32-35; I think that will be my favorite size on the Roadeo.  I'll ride it primarily on pavement, but occasionally on crushed lime trails and gravel roads.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2016 at 9:29 PM, Toshi Takeuchi <tto...@gmail.com> wrote:

I ride my Roadeo with Grand Bois Cypres tires.  I have ridden that on several miles of fire roads, so it handles fine on dirt too.  I have also used Schwalbe Kojaks on the bike and they ride nicely too (although the Grand Bois is more cushy).  

Enjoy your bike!!

Toshi

Thanks!  

On Thu, Feb 4, 2016 at 1:30 AM, Tim Wood <timwo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow! Congrats on the new bike Tim, it's beautiful. Definitely my favourite Riv color combo. The more I look at roadeos the more I want to sell my 15lb carbon race bike and buy one - and since I got my Clem it just hangs in the garage collecting dust anyway.  I had my heart set on a boulder all road or an ocean air rambler 650 rig for my "go fast" but hearing that the roadeo fits 38s has peaked my interest. Your fit and saddle height look bang on there, what is your pbh?

Tim

Thanks, fellow Tim!  It's my favorite Riv color combo as well. Hearing that the Roadeo clears 700 x 38 was an "Oh, Really?" moment for me as well.

Funny, the seat and handlebar position are totally eyeballed.  The cockpit was a direct lift from my Giordana, where I had the bar/lever angle well dialed-in.  I'll do a real fit on my Roadeo once I get the crank installed (need a longer BB, on order).  My pbh is 89 cm, so I think the seat will go up a bit.  Since I already have a 59 Riv Road Standard, I knew the 59 Roadeo would fit me well.

I weighed it this morning.  As pictured, it weighs 20 lbs (without the crank, it was just resting on there for the pic).  The crankset, bar wrap, and chain will probably push it just above 21 lbs.  Not bad for a build with 20 year old components!  No carbon anywhere, leather saddle, steel bottle cages, 38 mm tires.  

In other words, sell the carbon race bike!

Thanks,

Tim Gavin

My build:

59cm Rivendell Roadeo, dary grey/kidney red

Cane Creek classic headset

Shimano UN-55 bottom bracket, 113 mm (on order)

King Iris bottle cages

Sachs New Success group:
8 speed Ergopower shifter/brake levers (made by Campagnolo)

Sachs New Success double crankset (135 bcd, made by Campagnolo)

Campagnolo chain rings, 52 and 39

Sachs New Success FD, double (made by Huret)

Sachs New Success RD, short cage (made by Huret)

Wheels:

Mavic Open Pro rims, 28 hole

Shimano 600 tricolor hubs, Hyperglide/Uniglide compatible freehub

12-28 Shimano cassette

Cockpit:

Nitto B115 Classic handlebars, (I need to measure the width)

Nitto Technomic stem, 11 cm extension

Brooks leather bar tape, honey (on order)

Mystery lightweight Al seatpost (came with the Giordana)

Brooks B17 Special saddle

[Mark in Beacon]

That puts you in a rare club, abandoning Compass 32s for Continental 25s! FWIW, with a total difference of 7mm, pretty much any 700C tube will get you home no problem.

[Chad]

On Wednesday, February 3, 2016 at 8:02:46 PM UTC-6, RJM wrote:

I found the Compass Stampede Pass to be a better tire than the Jack Brown. It felt noticeably quicker to me on the same wheelset and I might say more comfortable. I didn't go wider than that though...and really, for the way I ride the Roadeo the thinner tires proved optimal. It's purely a fast road bike for me.

 

Were you riding the Jack Brown greens?  I had the Compass Stampede Pass EL's on briefly on my RB-T, but didn't really have a chance to try them out as I quickly swapped them for the bigger Barlow Passes when I found out they would fit.  IFRC, the Stampede Pass tires only measured out to only about 30mm on the Mavic MA-2 rims.  They seemed noticeably skinnier than the Jack Browns.  I would think the Jack Brown greens and Compass standard casing tires would be pretty comparable.  I run the Baby Shoe Pass EL's on my Hillborne and love the ride.  My new Roadeo has Roly-Poly's (28.5 with my calipers on Velocity Aerohead) and I want to fit a wider 32-35 tire to handle an occassional gravel road.  I am curious as to how the new Compass Bon Jon Passes would work on the Rodeo.

[Jim Bronson]

I went on a 200K last month and unfortunately found out all the tubes I had taken with me that were new in the box were bad - the seams were not sealed.  I run 650Bx38.  Desperate to get down the road, someone loaned me a 700c tube.  It's still in there several hundred miles later.  Definitely not ideal, but just underling the point about putting a 700C tube for racy tires into a 32mm Stampede Pass should work just fine, if it's working with what I have.

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[RJM]

Yeah, It will work but it just isn't ideal and 25's are easier to air up with a single CO2 cannister. It's worked for me on this bike so far...for the riding I'm doing on it. If I were doing more solo riding by myself with that bike I would have stuck with the Stampede Pass tires. As it is, I am riding an Atlantis (used to be on a Sam Hillborne, but sold it) most times when I ride solo.

[Tim Gavin]

I don't do club riding, just solo or with friends.  And my Roadeo will probably get picked occasionally for my commute (on dry days; the Roadeo will remain my sole un-fendered bike).  So, I prefer a slightly wider tire.  My dislike of being limited to 700 x 26 tires was a main reason for replacing my Giordana with the Roadeo.

I'll report back on the ride of the Challenge Gravel Grinder 38s.  But, those will probably return to their intended use (on my plastic cross/gravel bike).  

I think I'll try the Panaracer Gravel King 32 mm tires.  There seem to be both slick and knobby versions in the 32 mm size; I think the slick version will better suit my intended riding for the Roadeo.

I've been very impressed with the ride (and value) of the Panaracer Pari-Motos, so I'm hoping the Gravel Kings have a similar ride (fast but comfortable).

Tim

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[RJM]

I rode Pari Motos on my Sam Hillborne and found them to be great. They didn't last as long as something like the Fatty Rumpkin, but man they felt great. All that air volume and a supple tire is just wonderful.

One of the reasons I love the Roadeo is because I can use wider tires if I want to without sacrificing a ton of performance...a good tire makes the Roadeo ride really great. 32-35's on many of the gravel roads around me is plenty and the Roadeo can handle that width fine. I just happen to be using the Roadeo for one specific reason because I have another bike. If the Roadeo was going to be my only bike for road, less than great road, and gravel road, I'd probably move up to a 32 or 35mm wide tire.

I'm a huge believer in the wider rim and I'm glad that a lot of road specific rims are going wider and wider. The Pacenti rims I have make a 32mm tire really quite wide and still able to take a pounding on gravel roads. Plus, I think the wider rim helps with cornering at speed, where the larger volume tire doesn't deform and get all weird feeling.

I would like to hear impressions on those Gravel Kings when you get to using them.

[Don Compton]

A lot of you guys are using fairly large tires. I have been happy with the 28 Grand Bois for years. I tried Compass 32's ( not extra light ) and my bike felt sluggish.

Just a thought

[Rod Holland]

Try the ELs sometime... you've tasted the apples, time for the oranges.

rod

[Chad]

Tim, how tight do those 38 Gravel Grinders fit? I'm test fitting the new Schwalbe 700x35 G-Ones on my 53 Roadeo and they are just a little too tight at the chainstays for my comfort level. Maybe 2mm on each side.

[Paul G]

I've used GB Cerf, GB Cypres EL, and Jack Brown Greens on my Roadeo, all on H Plus Son TB14 rims. I like them all for different reasons.

The 28mm Cerfs have the best handling feel on twisty descents and feel fast.

The 30mm Cypres EL are more squirrelly feeling to me on the same descents. They don't inspire as much confidence, but they roll extremely fast and are quite comfortable. If I increase pressure to gain handing precision, the ride deteriorates unacceptably (for me). Also, the sidewalls are not tough whatsoever so I have to keep that in mind.

The JB Greens are my winter tire. They do feel slower for sure, but are super cushy and stable and I feel better about them in wet roads with debris, small rocks, etc.

[Tim Gavin]

On Sun, Feb 14, 2016 at 10:28 PM, Chad <cschoe...@gmail.com> wrote:

Tim, how tight do those 38 Gravel Grinders fit?  I'm test fitting the new Schwalbe 700x35 G-Ones on my 53 Roadeo and they are just a little too tight at the chainstays for my comfort level.  Maybe 2mm on each side.

The Challenge Gravel Grinders are nominally 700 x 38.

Their actual measurement is 36 mm wide on Mavic Open Pro rims (20 mm external).

The chainstay clearance is <2 mm with those tires, so a tire that actually measures 38 mm may rub.

Brake arm clearance  is ~5 mm in front and rear under Tektro R539 calipers.

I was considering the 700 x 35 Schwalbe G-One or 700 x 32 Panaracer Gravel King (slick tread) tires.  But, I found a barely used pair of 700 x 32 (knobby) Gravel Kings on eBay, so I'll roll on those.

I haven't test-ridden the Roadeo yet, with either tire.  The streets are way too sloppy here for a non-fendered bike.  

I did ride ~20 miles on my fat bike yesterday, in 2" of fresh powder.

[Chad]

Thanks for the info. Your results are similar to mine. I mounted the G-Ones on Velocity Aeroheads (also 20mm external). They measured out to a true 35mm (700x35 nominal) and I have about 5mm at the brake bridges and about 2mm at the stays. I am mostly likely going to sale these if you are interested in trying them. Maybe I'll put them on my RB-T.