What Is a Cheviot?
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Joe Bernard
Mar 27, 2020, 11:11:02 PM3/27/20
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Bicycle Belle started this topic on another thread and I think it would be interesting to dive into. I think it's a road bike or Country Bike like a Homer, someone else said it was kinda equal to a Clem, and Will @ Riv uses his as a 2-speed on dirt trails (but he's crazy!). What do YOU think a Cheviot is?
Joe Bernard
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James Warren
Mar 27, 2020, 11:12:45 PM3/27/20
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A Mixte Tube Hillborne.
And I’ll tell you, sometimes I feel like my HIllborne is my fastest road bike.
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And I’ll tell you, sometimes I feel like my HIllborne is my fastest road bike.
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Surlyprof
Mar 27, 2020, 11:16:06 PM3/27/20
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That’s one tough answer to beat!
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Roberta
Mar 27, 2020, 11:22:45 PM3/27/20
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That was my impression, too. Which is why on the other thread, I thought AHH/Chev combination would be great complimentary bikes. I could see myself with these two bikes in retirement. Or, just a mixte, if it was light and spiritedly like my AHH.
There is something special about a mixte. I have one, a Handsome Cycles she devil, for going around town. Even though nice, not as nice as a Riv, but it's really fun for city riding. And, I'm more willing to lock it in the city.
Roberta
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A Mixte Tube Hillborne.
And I’ll tell you, sometimes I feel like my HIllborne is my fastest road bike.
> On Mar 27, 2020, at 8:11 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Bicycle Belle started this topic on another thread and I think it would be interesting to dive into. I think it's a road bike or Country Bike like a Homer, someone else said it was kinda equal to a Clem, and Will @ Riv uses his as a 2-speed on dirt trails (but he's crazy!). What do YOU think a Cheviot is?
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Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Mar 28, 2020, 12:11:27 AM3/28/20
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Interesting. A Hillborne (another bike I’ve never ridden). So, a Hillborne is a road bike?
To everyone else who has a Cheviot and wants to share, do you ride it like you would a road bike? Or is it for city trips and shopping? Does it limit you in any way? I’m supposed to get a Cheviot when the next batch comes in (oh please, let us have Cheviots in 2020) but I’ll be buying it without ever having ridden it. I’d love to hear how Chev owners like and use these bikes.
To everyone else who has a Cheviot and wants to share, do you ride it like you would a road bike? Or is it for city trips and shopping? Does it limit you in any way? I’m supposed to get a Cheviot when the next batch comes in (oh please, let us have Cheviots in 2020) but I’ll be buying it without ever having ridden it. I’d love to hear how Chev owners like and use these bikes.
Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 12:59:16 AM3/28/20
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One of the few Rivs I've never owned or tried is Sam Hillborne. Its direct predecessor was the Bleriot, which was the first Taiwan version of the Toyo/MUSA Saluki/AHH. I've owned all of those, they all had road calipers and I consider them road/country bikes.
BUT, Sam has come at various times with calipers or cantis/v-brakes, and in different ST-to-TT configurations. So why am I even trying to answer this if I haven't ridden any of them? For background, yon Rivsters. I consider the Cheviot in the group of road/country bikes I've owned, and they have a relationship to at least the road caliper version of the Hillborne, the MIT bike which replaced the Bleriot.
Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 1:51:27 AM3/28/20
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Which btw was sort of answer to "Is Sam Hillborne a road bike?"
Anybody else here have Cheviot impressions?
Eric Daume
Mar 28, 2020, 7:01:38 AM3/28/20
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I had a Cheviot for a brief spell. I found it actually felt surprisingly lively. Maybe it was the 0/0/0 top tube allowing it to plane :)
Rereading my old post, I'm reminded how terrible those long reach brakes are. They flex so much I had to move the pad down in the slot so it wouldn't ride up and hit the tire. I've had other experiences with these brakes, and they're especially bad in the wet. Maybe it's OK for Leah in Nevada. Or maybe they can be made better with better pads and careful setup. But V brakes would make it a better bike.
Rereading my old post, I'm reminded how terrible those long reach brakes are. They flex so much I had to move the pad down in the slot so it wouldn't ride up and hit the tire. I've had other experiences with these brakes, and they're especially bad in the wet. Maybe it's OK for Leah in Nevada. Or maybe they can be made better with better pads and careful setup. But V brakes would make it a better bike.
Eric
Plain City, OH
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Interesting. A Hillborne (another bike I’ve never ridden). So, a Hillborne is a road bike?
To everyone else who has a Cheviot and wants to share, do you ride it like you would a road bike? Or is it for city trips and shopping? Does it limit you in any way? I’m supposed to get a Cheviot when the next batch comes in (oh please, let us have Cheviots in 2020) but I’ll be buying it without ever having ridden it. I’d love to hear how Chev owners like and use these bikes.
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Howard Hatten
Mar 28, 2020, 8:39:37 AM3/28/20
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I currently have a Waterford Atlantis & a Cheviot. I consider the Cheviot my around town errand bike. If I know I’m riding over 20 miles I take the Atlantis. I had a Hillborne, early version with canti’s. I bought the Cheviot to replace the Hillborne because I was looking for the step through convenience when loaded on a shopping run. Unfortunately the step through is really step over.
The Cheviot is a nice bike but I really miss that Hillborne. I also briefly owned a Wilbury
Knowing what I know now, if I had only one Rivendell it would be a Hillborne. Hopefully the next batch that comes in has canti’s and isn’t stretched out in the back end. Im planning on buying one and moving the Cheviot down the road.
Howard
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The Cheviot is a nice bike but I really miss that Hillborne. I also briefly owned a Wilbury
Knowing what I know now, if I had only one Rivendell it would be a Hillborne. Hopefully the next batch that comes in has canti’s and isn’t stretched out in the back end. Im planning on buying one and moving the Cheviot down the road.
Howard
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Lyman Labry
Mar 28, 2020, 10:23:57 AM3/28/20
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Hello,
Nice feedback. Can any owners attest to the ride quality of the Cheviot? I’ve heard it described as silky smooth and dreamy. Riv site talks about Cheviut could become your favorite go to bike.
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Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)
Mar 28, 2020, 10:31:06 AM3/28/20
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My Cheviot is the only Riv bike I own. I use it for everything -- daily commuting (RIP for now), shopping, hauling stuff w/a BOB trailer, longish rides (70 miles is about my limit but I don't blame the bike for that), overnights/camping, some light trails, and especially gravel roads. . There isn't much it can't do. I like the step-over look despite the obligatory "hey, isn't that a woman's bike?" queries, which, fair enough. But there's also some fun in lowering the athletic/sporty perception of cycling as much as possible, and riding a mixte frame in street clothes while keeping up with or beating the group to the top of the hill does just that. I like that it can fit big nobby tires or regular road/commuter tires w/fenders. t's a incredibly comfortable and functional all-around bike which is why I got it. Here it is on a ~12 mile sunset ride last night ;-)
Roberta
Mar 28, 2020, 10:32:20 AM3/28/20
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"Unfortunately the step through is really step over."
The first time I tried the mixte She Devil, my left foot was on the pedal, I pushed off with my right foot and rather than swinging my leg over the saddle (a big reason I wanted a mixte is to not have to do that) while in motion, I tried putting it over the top tube. I nearly fell over as my foot caught the top of the sloping top bar.
That is why I now call mixtes "trip throughs."
Roberta
Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)
Mar 28, 2020, 10:33:33 AM3/28/20
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I would definitely second the "silky smooth and dreamy" sentiment especially with some big cushy low-psi tires.
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Hello,Nice feedback. Can any owners attest to the ride quality of the Cheviot? I’ve heard it described as silky smooth and dreamy. Riv site talks about Cheviut could become your favorite go to bike.
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 7:39 AM Howard Hatten <yoh...@gmail.com> wrote:
I currently have a Waterford Atlantis & a Cheviot. I consider the Cheviot my around town errand bike. If I know I’m riding over 20 miles I take the Atlantis. I had a Hillborne, early version with canti’s. I bought the Cheviot to replace the Hillborne because I was looking for the step through convenience when loaded on a shopping run. Unfortunately the step through is really step over.
The Cheviot is a nice bike but I really miss that Hillborne. I also briefly owned a Wilbury
Knowing what I know now, if I had only one Rivendell it would be a Hillborne. Hopefully the next batch that comes in has canti’s and isn’t stretched out in the back end. Im planning on buying one and moving the Cheviot down the road.
Howard
Livonia Mi.
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Steve Palincsar
Mar 28, 2020, 10:47:07 AM3/28/20
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A big part of that problem is your starting-off style. If instead of trying to do a "cowboy mount" you stood with both feet on the ground straddling the frame (I leave it to your own devices how best to get into that position) raised one pedal to just past top dead center and then transfered your weight, stepping onto the raised pedal, all you'd have to do when the bike was rolling was sit yourself down and put the off-side foot onto its pedal.
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Lyman Labry
Mar 28, 2020, 10:52:09 AM3/28/20
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I’ve seen people try to do it your way Roberta, it looks cool but kind of awkward.
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Roberta
Mar 28, 2020, 10:59:04 AM3/28/20
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Yes, that is what I do now. I learned my lesson! ☺ In fact, I even do that sometimes with my diamond shaped frames.
Tirebiter ATX
Mar 28, 2020, 11:03:41 AM3/28/20
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I’ve read the reason for this is the Cheviot wheelbase is a bit longer than maybe even the Homer?
Justin Kennedy
Mar 28, 2020, 11:22:26 AM3/28/20
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yep, it's an extremely long bike/wheelbase requiring an extra long chain.
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Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 2:38:41 PM3/28/20
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A thing I remembered after reading various comparisons to Homer and Clem, but first a caveat that answers Leah's "how do you use it" question: I owned mine for only about 6 months, first as a light-ish 2-speed "around town" bike (it's perfect for that), then an hilariously fast and underbraked ebike conversion (don't try this at home).
A thing that makes Cheviot different from Clem and possibly Homer is how the tubes provide a quite solid structure. This is all theory on my part, but I felt very little flex in the frame (that I can remember from 3 years ago) and I presume the tight triangle from the mid/toptube; and third set of stays; contributes to this.
In comparison to my Clem Ls - which really don't have a triangle up front at all because the toptube closely parallels the bottom - the Cheviot is stiffer. I could feel some flex in the L, especially loaded up from the store.
In comparison to Homer (too long ago for me to remember this detail, and I had the Toyo version), Toshi on the other thread says his AHH turns noticeably quicker going down a twisty mountain road. I presume some of this is geometry - I believe Cheviot has slightly more relaxed angles than Homer - but I can imagine a Cheviot feels stiffer than that bike, too. Definitely guessing here with the Homer comparisons, maybe Toshi and others can expound more on this.
Brakes: Yeah, I'm never going to love the Tektro R559s. I have them on my new-to-me Frank Jones Señor singlespeed (talk about a light and flexy frame!) and am once again reminded why I prefer v-brakes. The Tektros don't really stop you as much as reduce your speed if you absolutely insist 😐
Joe "wow, this singlespeed won't downshift and now I remember why gears are good" Bernard
Marin County CA.
A thing that makes Cheviot different from Clem and possibly Homer is how the tubes provide a quite solid structure. This is all theory on my part, but I felt very little flex in the frame (that I can remember from 3 years ago) and I presume the tight triangle from the mid/toptube; and third set of stays; contributes to this.
In comparison to my Clem Ls - which really don't have a triangle up front at all because the toptube closely parallels the bottom - the Cheviot is stiffer. I could feel some flex in the L, especially loaded up from the store.
In comparison to Homer (too long ago for me to remember this detail, and I had the Toyo version), Toshi on the other thread says his AHH turns noticeably quicker going down a twisty mountain road. I presume some of this is geometry - I believe Cheviot has slightly more relaxed angles than Homer - but I can imagine a Cheviot feels stiffer than that bike, too. Definitely guessing here with the Homer comparisons, maybe Toshi and others can expound more on this.
Brakes: Yeah, I'm never going to love the Tektro R559s. I have them on my new-to-me Frank Jones Señor singlespeed (talk about a light and flexy frame!) and am once again reminded why I prefer v-brakes. The Tektros don't really stop you as much as reduce your speed if you absolutely insist 😐
Joe "wow, this singlespeed won't downshift and now I remember why gears are good" Bernard
Marin County CA.
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Mar 28, 2020, 4:41:46 PM3/28/20
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I have both a Hillborne (56cm) and Cheviot (60cm). I’m 240 pounds, 6’0”, 84pbh iirc. I commute about 25 miles every week on the Cheviot, the Sam is for longer, faster weekend rides or if I’m late for work and want to scoot a bit faster.
Similar: road brakes, fit similar range of tires, can go onto dirt happily but happier on the road or hard packed dirt. Both of mine have medium Wald baskets in front. Sprung Brooks saddles on both.
Differences:
Hillborne is simply faster feeling, lighter (even with the double top tube and slightly wider tires) feeling, and not as luxurious a ride though still comfy as can be. It can be and do anything depending on which bars and tires you put on it. It’s great for a Century ride or a cruise to the store, but it’s my go to for any sort of group ride or 30 mile plus ride.
Cheviot is significantly longer, a bit heavier feeling, super comfy ride with Albatross bars. It’s a huge Cadillac of a bike if Cadillac made more functional station wagons (so Hillborne is a luxury Honda Accord I guess?). I’ve seen the Cheviot setup with drop bars but it shines as an upright that’s happy in gravel or pavement of any condition. It’s a perfect commuter or S24O machine.
I’ve had the Hillborne setup with Albatross bars and currently with dirt drop bars (basically flaired Noodles) - it’s great comfort and fun with any of those bars and it can morph into a very different bike depending on how it’s outfitted. I get some toe overlap but it’s nothing to worry about (no overlap on the Cheviot). No fenders on Sam because they don’t quite fit with Snoqualmie pass 44mm tires. It could take up to 48mm apparently.
With the Cheviot I’ve had Albatross and Bosco bars - I prefer the Albatross bars, especially with some bar end grips in the middle front for a more forward grip position. Plus the Boscos are the best option on my Rosco Baby so there they sit. I have Basketball (Continental Speed Contact II) 42mm tires on it with SKS fenders and they fit a charm. I wouldn’t consider drop bars for it but I’ve seen some setup with drops and it looks nice; but they’re a better fit on the Hillborne.
Rounding out the bikes are a Rosco Baby (that could actually be my mountain bike, 60mm Schwabel G-One tires are outstanding, I have the Speed version but for actual dirt I’d get the AllRounder version) and my Salsa El Mariachi which doesn’t really get enough use to justify keeping it now that I’ve got the Rosco Baby.
I’m curious if the Charles H Gallop would fit between the Sam and the Chev and replace both (I’m the heretic who prefers v-brakes) but I can’t imagine getting rid of any Riv: the Cheviot was my first and it’s technically on loan from a great friend; the Sam was purchased from a particular and peculiar person that means I could never sell it; the Baby is hopefully going to serve us through our daughter and another child soon we hope. But that Charles H Gallop looks like it’s gonna be so close to my ideal setup ... hoping it comes in the Appa Orange color and GO has the Riv V-brakes done by then. That plus silver shifters and the wisest tires it’ll take ... can’t wait!
Abe “should I ride in this rain and drizzle?” in Napa
Similar: road brakes, fit similar range of tires, can go onto dirt happily but happier on the road or hard packed dirt. Both of mine have medium Wald baskets in front. Sprung Brooks saddles on both.
Differences:
Hillborne is simply faster feeling, lighter (even with the double top tube and slightly wider tires) feeling, and not as luxurious a ride though still comfy as can be. It can be and do anything depending on which bars and tires you put on it. It’s great for a Century ride or a cruise to the store, but it’s my go to for any sort of group ride or 30 mile plus ride.
Cheviot is significantly longer, a bit heavier feeling, super comfy ride with Albatross bars. It’s a huge Cadillac of a bike if Cadillac made more functional station wagons (so Hillborne is a luxury Honda Accord I guess?). I’ve seen the Cheviot setup with drop bars but it shines as an upright that’s happy in gravel or pavement of any condition. It’s a perfect commuter or S24O machine.
I’ve had the Hillborne setup with Albatross bars and currently with dirt drop bars (basically flaired Noodles) - it’s great comfort and fun with any of those bars and it can morph into a very different bike depending on how it’s outfitted. I get some toe overlap but it’s nothing to worry about (no overlap on the Cheviot). No fenders on Sam because they don’t quite fit with Snoqualmie pass 44mm tires. It could take up to 48mm apparently.
With the Cheviot I’ve had Albatross and Bosco bars - I prefer the Albatross bars, especially with some bar end grips in the middle front for a more forward grip position. Plus the Boscos are the best option on my Rosco Baby so there they sit. I have Basketball (Continental Speed Contact II) 42mm tires on it with SKS fenders and they fit a charm. I wouldn’t consider drop bars for it but I’ve seen some setup with drops and it looks nice; but they’re a better fit on the Hillborne.
Rounding out the bikes are a Rosco Baby (that could actually be my mountain bike, 60mm Schwabel G-One tires are outstanding, I have the Speed version but for actual dirt I’d get the AllRounder version) and my Salsa El Mariachi which doesn’t really get enough use to justify keeping it now that I’ve got the Rosco Baby.
I’m curious if the Charles H Gallop would fit between the Sam and the Chev and replace both (I’m the heretic who prefers v-brakes) but I can’t imagine getting rid of any Riv: the Cheviot was my first and it’s technically on loan from a great friend; the Sam was purchased from a particular and peculiar person that means I could never sell it; the Baby is hopefully going to serve us through our daughter and another child soon we hope. But that Charles H Gallop looks like it’s gonna be so close to my ideal setup ... hoping it comes in the Appa Orange color and GO has the Riv V-brakes done by then. That plus silver shifters and the wisest tires it’ll take ... can’t wait!
Abe “should I ride in this rain and drizzle?” in Napa
Ahmed Elgasseir
Mar 28, 2020, 4:45:04 PM3/28/20
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Sweet post Abe in the Rain.
A
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hugh flynn
Mar 28, 2020, 5:05:22 PM3/28/20
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Joe B wrote:
Brakes: Yeah, I'm never going to love the Tektro R559s. I have them on my new-to-me Frank Jones Señor singlespeed (talk about a light and flexy frame!) and am once again reminded why I prefer v-brakes. The Tektros don't really stop you as much as reduce your speed if you absolutely insist 😐
I'm wondering if the levers those calipers are paired with make a difference here?
The R559 is ostensibly a road brake, so I assume it was designed to be paired with a lever with the mechanical advantage of a standard drop bar road lever. For those using R559s with flat bar/mt levers, I'd expect less than optimal braking performance as the M/A of the levers doesn't match what the brake was designed for, no?
Hugh "No issues with the R559s on my road bike" Flynn
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Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 5:11:39 PM3/28/20
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Possibly, Hugh. I switched to the short-pull (canti) position on my Avid mtb levers for these brakes but it's still not great. A new set of pads will probably help, I just picked these Silver-branded brakes up used.
Justin Kennedy
Mar 28, 2020, 5:31:23 PM3/28/20
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FYI I replaced the stock pads on mine with Kool-Stop salmon compound pads/cartridges and there's a noticeable improvement.
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Possibly, Hugh. I switched to the short-pull (canti) position on my Avid mtb levers for these brakes but it's still not great. A new set of pads will probably help, I just picked these Silver-branded brakes up used.
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Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 5:48:36 PM3/28/20
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To clarify - this became a long convoluted thread on the 650B group with considerable disagreement - I've used new versions of these brakes, too, with mtb short-pull levers and still don't love them. YRMV because several people said I was full of the bollocks about this. Ride what you like, be happy! 🙂
Leah Peterson
Mar 28, 2020, 5:51:37 PM3/28/20
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This post made me really hopeful about my upcoming Cheviot. It’s going to be such a long and difficult wait. I really hope the batch is still happening late summer. Did you all see the Hillibike shipment will now wait to ship with Roadinis? We can only take guesses as to whether or not this will push back the Cheviots, which were to ship mid-July. And the Gallop bike after that? I don’t know. What did it mean in the newsletter when Grant wondered aloud if he (they) ought to order fall bikes? Maybe we need yet another thread to toss around ideas about this...
I know the new 55 Cheviot will have a 700c wheel, which Grant really believes will improve the ride quality a ton. I know nothing of such things. If you do, I’d love to read about it here.
Keep these posts coming!
Leah
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On Mar 28, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <thesix...@gmail.com> wrote:
My Cheviot is the only Riv bike I own. I use it for everything -- daily commuting (RIP for now), shopping, hauling stuff w/a BOB trailer, longish rides (70 miles is about my limit but I don't blame the bike for that), overnights/camping, some light trails, and especially gravel roads. . There isn't much it can't do. I like the step-over look despite the obligatory "hey, isn't that a woman's bike?" queries, which, fair enough. But there's also some fun in lowering the athletic/sporty perception of cycling as much as possible, and riding a mixte frame in street clothes while keeping up with or beating the group to the top of the hill does just that. I like that it can fit big nobby tires or regular road/commuter tires w/fenders. t's a incredibly comfortable and functional all-around bike which is why I got it. Here it is on a ~12 mile sunset ride last night ;-)
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On Friday, March 27, 2020 at 11:11:02 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:Bicycle Belle started this topic on another thread and I think it would be interesting to dive into. I think it's a road bike or Country Bike like a Homer, someone else said it was kinda equal to a Clem, and Will @ Riv uses his as a 2-speed on dirt trails (but he's crazy!). What do YOU think a Cheviot is?Joe Bernard
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Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 6:11:05 PM3/28/20
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Ah, the 650B v. 700C question is an interesting one I've been thinking a lot about this week after building my Frank Jones up (and probably worth its own thread as well, but I digress). I'm running 700 x 38 Compass Barlow Pass tires and it feels light and whippy and cushy and I love it. My Roadini has 700 x 33.3 Jack Browns and it felt light and whippy and cushy and I loved it.
Of course these are both full-on (for Riv) road bikes so I'm sure the frames play a part, but I'm now questioning my allegiance to 650B. Which is an issue because my upcoming custom is 650B! Whoops 🤷
I'd forgotten that the new 55cm Cheviot will be 700C, I think it's going to be an amazing bike!
Of course these are both full-on (for Riv) road bikes so I'm sure the frames play a part, but I'm now questioning my allegiance to 650B. Which is an issue because my upcoming custom is 650B! Whoops 🤷
I'd forgotten that the new 55cm Cheviot will be 700C, I think it's going to be an amazing bike!
Eric Daume
Mar 28, 2020, 6:41:39 PM3/28/20
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406 FTW! :)
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Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 6:45:20 PM3/28/20
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349!!! (on my Brompton)
Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 7:25:25 PM3/28/20
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Ok let's see if I can refrain from hijacking my own thread. Cheviots! Here's mine pre-ebiked that may be of interest to Joyce (JAS). Aluminum Choco bars, one speed in the rear and two up front with a derailer. Light and fun.
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> 349!!! (on my Brompton)
ted
Mar 28, 2020, 7:45:21 PM3/28/20
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My 700x35 shod 57 FJsr feels light plush and zippy.
My 650x38 shod 56 toyo AHH also feels light plush and zippy.
I suspect we tend to make too much of wheel size.
That said, aesthetically I really like the proportions on my AHH and if the wheels were 700c and all else equal the head tube would likely be shorter and the bike slightly less gorgeous to my eye.
My 650x38 shod 56 toyo AHH also feels light plush and zippy.
I suspect we tend to make too much of wheel size.
That said, aesthetically I really like the proportions on my AHH and if the wheels were 700c and all else equal the head tube would likely be shorter and the bike slightly less gorgeous to my eye.
hugh flynn
Mar 28, 2020, 7:56:03 PM3/28/20
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I don't know enough to say who is wrong or right, and suspect it doesn't matter anyway. Given all the bad press the R559s have received, I was just surprised when they worked so very well for my 650B conversion w/road levers.
Hugh "haven't crashed yet" Flynn
Newburyport, MA
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To clarify - this became a long convoluted thread on the 650B group with considerable disagreement - I've used new versions of these brakes, too, with mtb short-pull levers and still don't love them. YRMV because several people said I was full of the bollocks about this. Ride what you like, be happy! 🙂
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Mark Roland
Mar 28, 2020, 8:22:04 PM3/28/20
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lambbo
Mar 28, 2020, 9:07:05 PM3/28/20
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I find the Cheviot to be great on trails, amazing around town, and have ridden a century on mine comfortably too! Best part is swinging your leg over the top tube instead of trying to clear all the stuff on your rack, its a whole new world.
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Joe Bernard
Mar 28, 2020, 9:13:02 PM3/28/20
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"Best part is swinging your leg over the top tube instead of trying to clear all the stuff on your rack, its a whole new world."
Hehe, that didn't quite work for my stubby legs. I can step through a Clem L, but usually kicked my Chev. Roberta calls them "kick throughs" 🙃Joe Bernard
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I'm wrong, it's "trip through", which she already said in this thread. I knew I'd heard it somewhere!
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JAS
Mar 28, 2020, 10:29:06 PM3/28/20
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Joe,
Oh boy is that pretty! I'm probably not strong enough for the hills around here to go with a two speed, but with the aluminum handlebar and some lightish wheels, no racks....what a great idea for a light build. Thanks!
Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Mar 29, 2020, 12:10:12 AM3/29/20
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I’m with Roberta and Joyce - nice, light parts to make our Cheviots more manageable for we women. I wish there was a Susie version for all the Rivbikes. Maybe it’s not possible, but it would be lovely to have a lither version of the Cheviot because I’m NOT a big, heavy man. But the bike has to accommodate both of us, so it gets overbuilt for him. The Anniversary Mixte was, I think, going to be a lightweight, humming-bird-like bike not meant to carry heavy loads. Dreadfully fancy. It would have been my dream bike.
Until I get this Cheviot, I have my heavy Clem to pedal around, and while it is a lot of effort on these hills, the leg strength I have is something to be feared. Sometimes I jump in on the boys’ wrestling sessions with my husband, and while I’m no match for a man half a foot taller and 50 pounds heavier, if I can get my legs around him I can disable him and give the boys an unfair advantage.These are the benefits! 🤣🤣🤣 Someone let Riv know to put this in their brochure.
Until I get this Cheviot, I have my heavy Clem to pedal around, and while it is a lot of effort on these hills, the leg strength I have is something to be feared. Sometimes I jump in on the boys’ wrestling sessions with my husband, and while I’m no match for a man half a foot taller and 50 pounds heavier, if I can get my legs around him I can disable him and give the boys an unfair advantage.These are the benefits! 🤣🤣🤣 Someone let Riv know to put this in their brochure.
Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Mar 29, 2020, 12:15:15 AM3/29/20
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*us women, not we women. I got caught up in the allure of alliteration. You’ll forgive it, I hope.
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Joe Bernard
Mar 29, 2020, 2:37:57 AM3/29/20
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A brakes update (the R559s on most Cheviots): They seemed better on my (admittedly short) Frank Jones ride today. Maybe I just have to get used to road calipers again after so long on v-brakes.
Mark Roland
Mar 29, 2020, 9:33:35 AM3/29/20
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On Sunday, March 29, 2020 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote: I’m
with Roberta and Joyce - nice, light parts to make our Cheviots more
manageable for we women. I wish there was a Susie version for all the
Rivbikes. Maybe it’s not possible, but it would be lovely to have a
lither version of the Cheviot because I’m NOT a big, heavy man. But the
bike has to accommodate both of us,
This is a good point. It's one reason I decided to spend some money on my son's bikes as he is growing, since the bike weight is such a greater percentage of his total weight.
I helped a friend acquire a Cheviot a while back, so I have some experience on it. I've also had a Clementine (and am getting close with my new Clem L). In addition, 've built up a few mixtes from vintage frames over the years.
My feeling is that there will be noticeable ride differences between a Clem L and a Cheviut. As Joe points out, the Chev is slightly more triangulated. But IMO, the differences will have more to do with setup--particularly bars--than the actual ride qualities imparted by the frames. And hanging components that weight maybe a pound or two less on the bikes won't make that much difference--more so in the wheelset than anywhere else.
One reason is the oversize tubing that Rivendell and most other manufacturers of steel bicycles use these days. Combine the OS tubing with the gauges Riv uses for its country bikes like the Chev and they are still going to be overkill for what you are describing as your desire, and differentiating it more substantially from the Clem L. I feel that me on a Le Tour mixte with old school diameter tubing and somewhat shorter stays (though still long by racing standards) will beat me on a Chev up a hill any time. I believe this would be even more the case if I were 30 pounds lighter. (I have no proof, and maybe the times would be similar, but are you timing your rides or looking for a certain feeling? That's one reason I like riding at night--I automatically feel like I'm going faster with the same effort;^)
Note: I think that the new 700C may lean the bike more in the Caddy direction for someone your size.
Rivendells in this class are super fun, smooth, do anything bicycles that are in a league of their own. They have that unique, premium Caddy ride and don't think about it handling.
I don't think, even if they wanted to, Riv has the lugs to do a frame with "standard" diameter tubing (in quotes because no longer really the standard). I'm sure based on your weight class and intended use for the bike, Grant would entertain a custom mixte with the lightest Roadeo-class tubing they use. If you want it to be a Riv, this will get you a lot closer to what you are seeking from your next bicycle. Plus you can get it in hummingbird red. Between the deposit and the final payment, you have some time to mow lawns and sell some lemonade! (Option B: get a Roadeo.)
This, of course, is just my opinion, one among a number of opinions. I don't have nearly the experience on a Cheviut as many others, so take that into account.
Meanwhile I may have access to a pretty, vintage, lavender Fuji mixte that I could spiff up and send your way to tide you over. And/or a pink one. Sorry, no red at the moment.
Clem L report: I have finished building the wheels and re-radiusing a set of VO 700c63mm faceted fenders to fit my Clem L's big 650B tires. As a bonus, they are more like 65mm now. I'm thinking ready for a test ride next weekend...
We scored a nice deal at Harris Cyclery on a complete.
With my poseur wanna be Gomez.
I love these old Le Tour mixtes. They do vary in both tubing and tire clearance over the years.
Mark Roland
Mar 29, 2020, 9:46:06 AM3/29/20
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P.S. I suspect your old Betty Foy would be more dissimilar to the Clem L than the new Cheviut.
I’m with Roberta and Joyce - nice, light parts to make our Cheviots more manageable for we women.e let Riv know to put this in their brochure.
Melanie
Mar 29, 2020, 10:32:53 AM3/29/20
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I agree with Mark Roland. You need a Roadeo-weight mixte. The weight of my Roadeo is perfect for my under-125 lbs. body.
Leah Peterson
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Ugh, I know that Melanie and Mark make excellent points. Points I weighed when I was trying to decide custom mixte vs. production mixte. I knew that Riv would steer me toward production, and they did, and it seemed like I could get enough of what I wanted with a Cheviot. But the more I think about it, I wonder if I should just pay the extra money and get in Nobilette’s line.
I also wonder if I’m making up problems I don’t have. I *can* pedal a Rivendell just fine; it’s just that a custom could be mo’ better. Is that worth the extra money? I do have kids to put through college, you know...
How light is Roadeo tubing? If, and it’s a big if, I were to make a mixte out of it, I wonder if it would be strong enough...
But the other really big factor here is if the Cheviots are being extensively delayed. I was hoping to have one in April (that was the rumored drop date) but then Rivendell said June or July. Then they said Cheviots would ship in July so not until mid to late August. And that was BEFORE the COVID crisis.
If the delay is worse than August, maybe I should try to get a flyweight mixte via the custom route. Hopefully THAT line is not so long...
Leah
I agree with Mark Roland. You need a Roadeo-weight mixte. The weight of my Roadeo is perfect for my under-125 lbs. body.
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Deborah Coffin
Mar 29, 2020, 2:16:31 PM3/29/20
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The first bike I tried when I visited Riv was the Cheviot I purchased. I’d ridden the same Specialized road bike always, and I’d bonded with it profoundly, but I hadn’t ridden a bike much in a long time. I tried a Surly Long Haul Trucker—and really wanted to love it—but thought it felt really stodgy somehow. It was a dull feeling, despite fitting me nicely. It made me want my twitchy road bike. I’ll add that I used to be 5’4” and now I’m 5’2” (I lost two inches by my early 40s, which I’m mentioning cause my legs didn’t shrink). Anyway, when I saw the Cheviot, I thought it was the most beautiful bike I’d ever seen, and when I rode it, I was stunned. It was ridiculously comfortable, smooth, but NOT stodgy. I rode it up and down the short steep entrance to a parking garage, over and over, sitting down, something I’d never have done on my road bike. I had to have that bike—and I insisted it had to be that exact one. I fell in love with it in a way that’s hard to describe. I hadn’t wanted something so much in a long time, but I’d never thought about paying so much for a bike. I’m still glad to have it. I love riding again and have used it as my town and touring ride. I use it to get groceries. I commuted with it, though I’m paranoid about leaving it locked anywhere. The only place I’ve had trouble riding it was when trying to climb a steep, super-narrow dirt hill; it felt like I might flip over backwards. That might be from having the wrong tires? Maybe my position? I wondered if it was because the bike is relatively long? I don’t normally ride trails like that one, so I don’t have enough experience to account for it.
But—I found my Cheviot really difficult to transport on my bike rack. I wrote a post about it, got tons of ideas about how to resolve the problem, none of which worked. So I bought a small Joe Appaloosa to stick on my car, for when I drive to ride.
I consider the Cheviot to be a Jaguar (not that I’ve driven one) instead of a Cadillac. That’s just cause I think a Jaguar is sexier.
But—I found my Cheviot really difficult to transport on my bike rack. I wrote a post about it, got tons of ideas about how to resolve the problem, none of which worked. So I bought a small Joe Appaloosa to stick on my car, for when I drive to ride.
I consider the Cheviot to be a Jaguar (not that I’ve driven one) instead of a Cadillac. That’s just cause I think a Jaguar is sexier.
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ted
Mar 29, 2020, 2:34:49 PM3/29/20
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Leah,
I encourage you to try and avoid getting wrapped up in frame weight worries.
Though I'm not immune to bouts of weight weeniesm (I've got a sub 19lb black mountain and my AHH is under 21lbs) I think bike weight is at best a third order effect, and frame weight is only part of total bike weight. Choice of components tires etc, let alone bags with stuff in them can add up to more than the difference in frame weights. Bike weight is most noticeable when maneuvering the bike before or after a ride. I.e. up or down porch steps, on or off a car rack, etc. If your not bothered doing those sorts of things try to forget about it. If you are bothered by it, buy light parts, don't opt for the larger frame if you've got two options, and think about tubing last.
I also don't subscribe to the "too stiff" frame school. If you like feeling your fame flex when you stand on the pedals fine, but I don't care for it myself. Decades ago I was racing on a Nobilette sport touringish frame and between one weekend and the next I changed to a Gios Torino (italian race frame). The Gios was noticeably stiffer and quicker handling. I liked the ride better for racing but it did not make me slower or faster (note, that frame is in my garage rafters now).
I think you would be better served by focusing on the ride and handling you want and let GP and co worry about the tubing. I'm convinced that the ride and handling of a bike are dominated by the geometry and the tires. Unless the tubing is really light and you like bottom bracket flex under power, the effect of tubing is way down in the weeds. I don't believe substituting roadeo tubing into the cheviot geometry would result in a mixte that rides like a roadeo.
When Riv "steered you toward production" did you tell them you wanted a mixte that rides like a Roadeo? Is that what you want? If it is I expect GP would say that is a custom.
If you want a bike that rides like a Betty, Cheviot or Clem L but faster, buy a production bike and put easier rolling more fragile tires, lower narrower bars, and light components on it.
Custom frame (4K) minus cheviot frame (1.4K) leaves $2600, you can buy a fair number of fancy parts upgrades with that much money.
Unless you have $$ to burn, I think a custom Riv only makes sense if the geometry you want isn't available any other way.
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Leah Peterson
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Deborah, it’s a Jaguar! 😂 Yes, I love this.
So based on your 5’ 2” height, did you get the 50 cm? What year did you get your bike? I ask because I know the Cheviot is longer in later iterations. The first gen wasn’t much different than the BF. I remember a Lister named Michael saying his wife had a BF and daughter had a Chev and there was no discernible difference.
Several folks have mentioned my Betty Foy, and that my Cheviot might be too close in ride to the Clem L. I loved that Betty Foy for a lot of years, but when I got a Clementine I loved that ride so much more. When I took both bikes to my sister’s house we fought over who got the Clementine; it was just that good. Neither of us could say why it was good, but IT JUST WAS and when you know you know. Both bikes had Brooks and Bosco bars, and were set up similarly - so it wasn’t the setup, it was in the marrow of the bikes themselves. I’d have died happy with my Betty Foy if I hadn’t known what a Clem felt like, but now that I do, the Betty plays second fiddle to that unassuming Clem. I attribute the nice ride to longer chainstays, and I figured that if I got the Cheviot I could have a nicer Clem-like ride but with less weight to the bike.
I adore the Riv mixtes. They call to me. They look so romantic and lovely and irresistible. I am so pleased to have the step-through Clem, but I still want a Riv mixte for my 2nd bike. And if Rivendell made a 3rd mixte, I might try to have that one, too. I just love love love Rivendell mixtes.
I have 2 inch tires and front and rear racks on my Clem and I’m a lot slower up hills than I was on my Betty. I ride it anyway because I love the Clem ride and will just accept the extra workout that is piloting that big Clem L. As I said, I have some muscles I wouldn’t have earned on a lighter bike, and I’m pleased about that.
So, a lighter (and thus quicker) version of the comfy Clem ride is what I’m trying to obtain, and maybe with $$$ light wheels and parts I can get most of that. I suppose worst case, I could order a custom later with lighter tubing. Though waiting too long for a custom worries me too, because I don’t know what Rivendell’s future looks like in these dark times.
Thanks for listening to all that. This thread has been so interesting. I need to reread some of your responses again. So much great info.
Leah
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> On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:16 AM, Deborah Coffin <deboc...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> The first bike I tried when I visited Riv was the Cheviot I purchased. I’d ridden the same Specialized road bike always, and I’d bonded with it profoundly, but I hadn’t ridden a bike much in a long time. I tried a Surly Long Haul Trucker—and really wanted to love it—but thought it felt really stodgy somehow. It was a dull feeling, despite fitting me nicely. It made me want my twitchy road bike. I’ll add that I used to be 5’4” and now I’m 5’2” (I lost two inches by my early 40s, which I’m mentioning cause my legs didn’t shrink). Anyway, when I saw the Cheviot, I thought it was the most beautiful bike I’d ever seen, and when I rode it, I was stunned. It was ridiculously comfortable, smooth, but NOT stodgy. I rode it up and down the short steep entrance to a parking garage, over and over, sitting down, something I’d never have done on my road bike. I had to have that bike—and I insisted it had to be that exact one. I fell in love with it in a way that’s hard to describe. I hadn’t wanted something so much in a long time, but I’d never thought about paying so much for a bike. I’m still glad to have it. I love riding again and have used it as my town and touring ride. I use it to get groceries. I commuted with it, though I’m paranoid about leaving it locked anywhere. The only place I’ve had trouble riding it was when trying to climb a steep, super-narrow dirt hill; it felt like I might flip over backwards. That might be from having the wrong tires? Maybe my position? I wondered if it was because the bike is relatively long? I don’t normally ride trails like that one, so I don’t have enough experience to account for it.
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So based on your 5’ 2” height, did you get the 50 cm? What year did you get your bike? I ask because I know the Cheviot is longer in later iterations. The first gen wasn’t much different than the BF. I remember a Lister named Michael saying his wife had a BF and daughter had a Chev and there was no discernible difference.
Several folks have mentioned my Betty Foy, and that my Cheviot might be too close in ride to the Clem L. I loved that Betty Foy for a lot of years, but when I got a Clementine I loved that ride so much more. When I took both bikes to my sister’s house we fought over who got the Clementine; it was just that good. Neither of us could say why it was good, but IT JUST WAS and when you know you know. Both bikes had Brooks and Bosco bars, and were set up similarly - so it wasn’t the setup, it was in the marrow of the bikes themselves. I’d have died happy with my Betty Foy if I hadn’t known what a Clem felt like, but now that I do, the Betty plays second fiddle to that unassuming Clem. I attribute the nice ride to longer chainstays, and I figured that if I got the Cheviot I could have a nicer Clem-like ride but with less weight to the bike.
I adore the Riv mixtes. They call to me. They look so romantic and lovely and irresistible. I am so pleased to have the step-through Clem, but I still want a Riv mixte for my 2nd bike. And if Rivendell made a 3rd mixte, I might try to have that one, too. I just love love love Rivendell mixtes.
I have 2 inch tires and front and rear racks on my Clem and I’m a lot slower up hills than I was on my Betty. I ride it anyway because I love the Clem ride and will just accept the extra workout that is piloting that big Clem L. As I said, I have some muscles I wouldn’t have earned on a lighter bike, and I’m pleased about that.
So, a lighter (and thus quicker) version of the comfy Clem ride is what I’m trying to obtain, and maybe with $$$ light wheels and parts I can get most of that. I suppose worst case, I could order a custom later with lighter tubing. Though waiting too long for a custom worries me too, because I don’t know what Rivendell’s future looks like in these dark times.
Thanks for listening to all that. This thread has been so interesting. I need to reread some of your responses again. So much great info.
Leah
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> The first bike I tried when I visited Riv was the Cheviot I purchased. I’d ridden the same Specialized road bike always, and I’d bonded with it profoundly, but I hadn’t ridden a bike much in a long time. I tried a Surly Long Haul Trucker—and really wanted to love it—but thought it felt really stodgy somehow. It was a dull feeling, despite fitting me nicely. It made me want my twitchy road bike. I’ll add that I used to be 5’4” and now I’m 5’2” (I lost two inches by my early 40s, which I’m mentioning cause my legs didn’t shrink). Anyway, when I saw the Cheviot, I thought it was the most beautiful bike I’d ever seen, and when I rode it, I was stunned. It was ridiculously comfortable, smooth, but NOT stodgy. I rode it up and down the short steep entrance to a parking garage, over and over, sitting down, something I’d never have done on my road bike. I had to have that bike—and I insisted it had to be that exact one. I fell in love with it in a way that’s hard to describe. I hadn’t wanted something so much in a long time, but I’d never thought about paying so much for a bike. I’m still glad to have it. I love riding again and have used it as my town and touring ride. I use it to get groceries. I commuted with it, though I’m paranoid about leaving it locked anywhere. The only place I’ve had trouble riding it was when trying to climb a steep, super-narrow dirt hill; it felt like I might flip over backwards. That might be from having the wrong tires? Maybe my position? I wondered if it was because the bike is relatively long? I don’t normally ride trails like that one, so I don’t have enough experience to account for it.
> But—I found my Cheviot really difficult to transport on my bike rack. I wrote a post about it, got tons of ideas about how to resolve the problem, none of which worked. So I bought a small Joe Appaloosa to stick on my car, for when I drive to ride.
> I consider the Cheviot to be a Jaguar (not that I’ve driven one) instead of a Cadillac. That’s just cause I think a Jaguar is sexier.
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> I consider the Cheviot to be a Jaguar (not that I’ve driven one) instead of a Cadillac. That’s just cause I think a Jaguar is sexier.
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I would be the last one to tell people to get worked up about frame weight. But it is a fact of physics that lighter weight riders experience the ride qualities of many bikes differently -- partly as a frame to body proportion, partly as a power output/wattage proportion. Certainly high quality tires like Rene Herse will have an affect--Leah could put a set of Switchbacks on her Clem L for that matter. (Though he may have changed his opinion, Grant in the past has disputed the idea of supple tires being any better. On that I definitely disagree.) My son could ride the 35 pound vintage GT I built up for him, but when I got him a WOOM in the low 20s, it was a totally new experience, one that he immediately recognized. Not saying always "better" (though in Mack's case it was) but certainly "different." And that I believe is Leah's objective--a ride distinct from the Clem L ride qualities, such as they are.
I personally can be happy on almost anything these days--I'm loving, loving my overbuilt virtually stock 1980s mountain bikes right now for any rides, while I procrastinate on a few builds, including my Clem L. But I can very much tell the difference between these and my Ron Kitching or my Panasonic DX 5000 (and I have the advantage of being able to throw more power at the heavier bikes) If Leah is looking for something that "feels" substantially different than her Clem L, and the Betty didn't provide it, I'm not at all certain a Cheviot will, even with fancy tires and red paint.
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Reading this cross post, I'm confused again! Get one of everything. You don't have enough bikes yet anyway.
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Ann L
Mar 29, 2020, 5:59:27 PM3/29/20
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I decided my next bike will be a mixte and am very interested in the next batch of Cheviots. Does anyone have information on the colors? We haven't seen a red yet for Rivendell's and that would be nice (GP: hint, hint, hint).
Deborah Coffin
Mar 29, 2020, 6:18:59 PM3/29/20
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Leah—
I got mine (a demo) in April, 2018. It’s the sage color, and it’s a 50cm. I’m not entirely certain when it would’ve been made; maybe someone else might, based on color and timing of shipments.
I got mine (a demo) in April, 2018. It’s the sage color, and it’s a 50cm. I’m not entirely certain when it would’ve been made; maybe someone else might, based on color and timing of shipments.
Leah Peterson
Mar 29, 2020, 6:19:24 PM3/29/20
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I hope they do a Blug post on the new Cheviot soon, Ann. Then we shall know all these vital details! And if they would like to put me on their Cheviot Design Committee, I nominate myself. 😜
Ann, what made you decide you wanted a mixte? What bikes do you currently ride?
Fun!
Leah
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Mar 30, 2020, 12:46:14 PM3/30/20
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Everyone, great discussion on the Cheviot attributes and capabilities. I’m new to Riv family. Thanks.
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Mar 30, 2020, 2:06:33 PM3/30/20
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Going from a 35 lb bike to one in the low 20s is a reduction of what say 13 lbs, or over 33%. Start from the lighter bike and the increase is over 50%. That is a fairly extreme comparison.
The RBW page states a 55 Roadeo frame is just under 4 lbs. In the pre MIT days think I heard an Atlantis frame was ~ 1 lb heavier than an AHH. Suppose an AHH was another lb heavier than a Roadeo. That would suggest about a 2lb delta between a Roadeo and an Atlantis. I think it's reasonable to guess a custom light gauge Cheviot wouldn't be more than 2.5 lbs lighter than a production frame and fork. With a $2600 upcharge that's over $100 per lb. Is that good value? Is 2.5 lbs a big deal? Keep in mind how much fenders, racks, baskets, bags, kickstands etc. can weigh. YMMV
It's a fact of physics that a lighter mass takes less work to push up a hill. But physics doesn't tell us how noticeable a particular difference will be.
Suppose our "light" rider weighs 100 lbs ready to ride, and the bike weighs 25 lbs. Shaving 2.5 lbs off the frame and fork reduces the work of climbing a steep hill ~2%.
How noticeable is 2%? YMMV
I'm not a mountain biker, in the 80s i was riding road bikes, so I'm not familiar with the bikes Mark references. However I can definitely tell the difference between my Bombadil and my AHH, I just don't believe that's down to the difference in frame weights. If Leah wants something that rides and handles just like her Clem L but is substantially easier to ride up a hill, I'm not at all certain than anything short of a motor is going to do that. But I'd suggest starting by getting rid of anything not needed to make the bike rideable (e.g. fenders, racks, baskets, bags) and then move to lighter tires, wheels and components, I'd suggest chasing extra light gauge frame tubes last. Oh, and make sure that lowest gear is sub 20".
Of course if she just has to have that lovely red Joe Bell paint job, well hey the heart wants what it wants eh?
Joe Bernard
Mar 30, 2020, 2:20:37 PM3/30/20
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Ted, it's a matter of stiffness and feel, too. I believe the difference in frames are more noticeable to the average rider on a big hill than your numbers suggest.
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Also, I believe the issue under discussion isn't strictly about dropping a couple pounds from a Clem, it's (if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly): "I would like a nice new lugged steel Riv mixte in metallic cranberry red, what's the best path to this outcome?"
I have no stake in whether the young lady gets a custom or not, I'm just not sure waiting for the Cheviot to land is worth it. In my opinion a person in prime riding years with "bike priorities", as Grant says, who uses the bike every day for transportation and can scrape up the cash, should consider making the Riv Custom jump now. Especially someone considerably lighter/smaller than the average Riv rider. Is what I'm saying.
Leah Peterson
Mar 30, 2020, 3:06:32 PM3/30/20
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Yeah, I realize what I want might not be actually possible. And I hear you, Ted, on weights of frames and stuff. I’m willing to go back to the drawing board, though. The lovely stable ride of the Clem may come at a cost that I can’t have in a whippier frame.
Will is working from home and thus answering emails, so I’m trying to get an estimate of when the Cheviots will arrive (spoiler alert: I don’t think it’s this summer any longer) and if ordering a custom would actually be FASTER.
I’ll keep you posted.
On the other hand, I was remembering my little boy’s 20 inch Giant. Baby Bear was in 1st grade and I had decided that it was indeed possible to bike commute to and from our new school, even with the mountain in between. He was so proud to have a new, bright yellow and blue bike WITH GEARS, but when he tried to ride it up the hill he just struggled. He was so discouraged every day because my older son and I could do it much more easily. Baby Bear would always have to jump off and walk. One day I took it in for service and the mechanic, familiar with our hill because the roadies ride it, said, “Ma’am, if you have a 6 year old who will ride this bike up that hill and not complain or refuse, you have a very good kid. This bike weighs way too much.” I was stung. I felt terrible. I sold that lemon on Craigslist (sorry to whoever bought it!) and bought him an Islabike. He was a new kid. He danced up that hill from that day forth and never complained again. We called his bike The Red Rocket and Baby Bear was tickled.
I know the weight percentage differs, but the memory came to mind...
I know the weight percentage differs, but the memory came to mind...
Leah
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Hey Joe,
My perhaps ill informed view is that once you get reasonably stiff more stiff is not noticeable, and that rivs by and large are stiffer than what the flexy frame proponents have in mind. E.g. one notable guy once told me that an AHH was not a performance bike because it had oversize tubes and GP uses thick walls. So, thought experiment, if you built an AHH design bike with stouter tubing would it really have a different feel due to the increased stiffness? I'm skeptical but too cheep to run the experiment. Would GP sell a really flexy custom? I dunno.
I may be less discerning than the average rider, but I regularly go on group rides where everybody else is on MCFRBs and I'm on a 19, 21, or 24 lb bike and I find what my numbers suggest quite plausible.
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Mar 30, 2020, 3:39:54 PM3/30/20
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I completely agree that there are a host of good reasons to get a RBW custom, including "i want thinner tubes cause it's lighter and I just like knowing that my bike is a bit lighter and not unnecessarily stout".
Joe Bernard
Mar 30, 2020, 3:45:29 PM3/30/20
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Hey Ted,
We could argue about this for days and drive everybody crazy, but we're probably all a little crazy from the coronavirus lockdown already so I'll leave it at stuff I've already said. If I haven't convinced readers of my POV by now, I'm not going to get there. It's a new week and I'm going riding! 🙋♂️
We could argue about this for days and drive everybody crazy, but we're probably all a little crazy from the coronavirus lockdown already so I'll leave it at stuff I've already said. If I haven't convinced readers of my POV by now, I'm not going to get there. It's a new week and I'm going riding! 🙋♂️
Joe Bernard
Mar 30, 2020, 3:53:16 PM3/30/20
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Oy, crossposting! My reply is to the previous Ted reply, not the last Ted reply. Have I said "reply" enough?
Joe "reply guy" Bernard
ted
Mar 30, 2020, 4:10:08 PM3/30/20
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Joe,
Ibid, and god bless. Have a great ride.
Ann L
Mar 30, 2020, 7:06:09 PM3/30/20
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I currently ride a Soma San Marcos and an Appaloosa. For those not familiar, the San Marcos frame was a collaboration between RBW and Soma Fabrications. I think my San Marcos is closest to the Roadini, but I would be very interested in hearing from someone who has ridden both as to the similarities/differences. I absolutely adore both my bicycles and ride one or both everyday. The San Marcos is stripped down, no racks or fenders, with 35 mm tires, and is my good weather/easy to carry up stairs/fast bike. The Appaloosa has a rack, fenders, Wald bolt on basket and is my bad weather/smooth rider/haul stuff bike. I want a mixte because it will be completely different from my other bikes and am already plotting how to build it up to make it a unique ride.
I also nominate you to be on the Design Committee (and will second myself, that sounds like an awesome job).
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I hope they do a Blug post on the new Cheviot soon, Ann. Then we shall know all these vital details! And if they would like to put me on their Cheviot Design Committee, I nominate myself. 😜Ann, what made you decide you wanted a mixte? What bikes do you currently ride?Fun!
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Ann, I nominate us both. Let’s go crash their company meeting. We’ll wear masks and gloves. It will be fine.
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Mar 30, 2020, 8:33:33 PM3/30/20
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I’ve been buying stuff from Joe B. and chatting by text with him about Riv bikes. I’ve been considering either a Clem L or an Atlantis. But, this topic is making me strongly consider a Cheviot. I like the idea of a lower bar as my flexibility ain’t what it used to be. I’m enjoying these comments too, Leah. I may just get in line when the new batch goes on sale. Will there be a preorder?
Doug
Doug
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Mar 30, 2020, 9:21:46 PM3/30/20
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I won’t rehash how *I* feel about the Riv mixtes, because I’ve belabored that point, but I’d be really excited for you got join the club with the rest of us. I just don’t see the downside of a mixte. I’m going to start the hashtag on Instagram - #toptubeswhoneedsem.
Last I heard, YES, there will be a pre-order. And I think we’ll have our answer about if/when the batch arrives soon. Hopefully Friday. I’ll be happy to share that info if I hear and if Will says ok.
While I’m at it, should I get a head count here and tell Will how many of you fine folks want your own Riv Mixte? Maybe that will really encourage them to make the order...😬
Joyce, Ann, Leah...and Doug? 😬 That’s 4, and I think that’s a pretty good start.
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> I’ve been buying stuff from Joe B. and chatting by text with him about Riv bikes. I’ve been considering either a Clem L or an Atlantis. But, this topic is making me strongly consider a Cheviot. I like the idea of a lower bar as my flexibility ain’t what it used to be. I’m enjoying these comments too, Leah. I may just get in line when the new batch goes on sale. Will there be a preorder?
> Doug
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Last I heard, YES, there will be a pre-order. And I think we’ll have our answer about if/when the batch arrives soon. Hopefully Friday. I’ll be happy to share that info if I hear and if Will says ok.
While I’m at it, should I get a head count here and tell Will how many of you fine folks want your own Riv Mixte? Maybe that will really encourage them to make the order...😬
Joyce, Ann, Leah...and Doug? 😬 That’s 4, and I think that’s a pretty good start.
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> I’ve been buying stuff from Joe B. and chatting by text with him about Riv bikes. I’ve been considering either a Clem L or an Atlantis. But, this topic is making me strongly consider a Cheviot. I like the idea of a lower bar as my flexibility ain’t what it used to be. I’m enjoying these comments too, Leah. I may just get in line when the new batch goes on sale. Will there be a preorder?
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Leah, count me in! I want a Cheviot to compliment my Clem that lets me:
- Feel light, agile and "fast" for road riding while upright and seeing everything
- Put one foot on the pavement when I stop at an intersection without getting off the saddle (love that about Clem)
- Easily lift the bike onto my One-Up rack or the bus rack (maybe it will fit on the bus rack?)
- Use fenders with a cushy tire
- Use V-brakes which I like a lot
I don't want that awful mustard color that seems to please a lot of people (sorry folks). Blue is my thing, but I'd be open to something else that's pretty.
Let's get these Cheviots going and then I could just see us organizing a couple of group rides to gather the sheep.
Let us know when you get the word from Vince!
--Joyce
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I won’t rehash how *I* feel about the Riv mixtes, because I’ve belabored that point, but I’d be really excited for you got join the club with the rest of us. I just don’t see the downside of a mixte. I’m going to start the hashtag on Instagram - #toptubeswhoneedsem.
Last I heard, YES, there will be a pre-order. And I think we’ll have our answer about if/when the batch arrives soon. Hopefully Friday. I’ll be happy to share that info if I hear and if Will says ok.
While I’m at it, should I get a head count here and tell Will how many of you fine folks want your own Riv Mixte? Maybe that will really encourage them to make the order...😬
Joyce, Ann, Leah...and Doug? 😬 That’s 4, and I think that’s a pretty good start.
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> I’ve been buying stuff from Joe B. and chatting by text with him about Riv bikes. I’ve been considering either a Clem L or an Atlantis. But, this topic is making me strongly consider a Cheviot. I like the idea of a lower bar as my flexibility ain’t what it used to be. I’m enjoying these comments too, Leah. I may just get in line when the new batch goes on sale. Will there be a preorder?
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Mar 31, 2020, 12:54:37 AM3/31/20
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Ooh, are v-brakes a thing with this? Or just a (very good yes they should do it) wish? I've had so many conversations about this bike - I think I was the first "outsider" to know about it when Grant and Will mentioned it to me at RBW last year - that I've lost track of what I know and what's rumor and hope.
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Joe, the v-brakes are on my personal wish list for the bike because they work so well on my Clem. I have no idea if that will come true.
--Joyce
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Joyce, is that what we have on our Clems? 🤣🤣🤣 Ok, then I want those on our Cheviots, too.
Joe, the v-brakes are on my personal wish list for the bike because they work so well on my Clem. I have no idea if that will come true.
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I hope so, Joyce, I think the road calipers are the big weakness on the current Cheviot. I opted for v-brakes on my sorta-maybe-looks-like-a-Cheviot-without-the-mid-stays custom because my old arthritic hands want to STOP something when I grab those levers!
Roberta
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Joyce,
Funny how everyone loves that mustard color (I call mine butterscotch). Not my favorite, either, but I've prettied it up with pink handlebar tape and now I'm liking it OK.
I love, love, love the RBW blue of the current Chevs, so I went "window" shopping, to my favorite Rivendell reseller, Analog cycles, whom I bought my Joe Appaloosa from (when they were Gravel and Grind in MD) 3 years ago. That's where I saw they had the current lovely water blue in stock, but in a 50. I need a 55. If anyone is in the market for a current blue Cheviot in a 50, here it is: https://www.analogcycles.com/product/rivendell-cheviot-frame-and-fork/ .
I had a nice conversation with Candice about lightening up the bike. Yes, I know that the bike weight "shouldn't" be a factor, but once it's over a certain weight (and one is over a certain age), is just plain hard to pick up the bike. We talked about wheels, tires, and using 1X setup to help lighten it up. I don't mind a heavish bike, but I must be able to lift it.
My Joe A with it's 44.25" wheelbase does fit on a bus bike rack. A longer bike could fit, but not much longer.
Roberta
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Mar 31, 2020, 5:32:43 PM3/31/20
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Joe, I am really looking forward to seeing that beauty built up! What color will it be? (Maybe you already shared that decision; sorry if I missed it.)
--Joyce
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Mar 31, 2020, 5:37:29 PM3/31/20
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I can't wait, either, I feel like I was a much younger man when this project started! 😋
No, I haven't shared the color much, it's going to be a light-ish gray with bright red..kind of in the original Hunqapillar mode but brightened up a bunch. I found the inspiration in this pic while perusing the Kirkframes site, Joe Bell paints all of his.
No, I haven't shared the color much, it's going to be a light-ish gray with bright red..kind of in the original Hunqapillar mode but brightened up a bunch. I found the inspiration in this pic while perusing the Kirkframes site, Joe Bell paints all of his.
Roberta
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It’s going to be beautiful. I hope this is your everything bike to last you a lifetime !
ted
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As one who is prone to arguing that shaving a few lbs off a bike won’t make you all that much faster up a hill, let me clarify that I’m all in favor of making your bike light enough to pick up easily. Particularly if you have to lift it frequently.
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Hey Leah,
Reading through this string I came upon Mark's post and thought "yeah, that's what she needs." In fact, I'd love to see you get it. I'll kick in $50 toward it if you do and you won't have to mow my lawn or make me lemonade.
Dave
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On Sunday, March 29, 2020 at 9:33:35 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
One reason is the oversize tubing that Rivendell and most other manufacturers of steel bicycles use these days. Combine the OS tubing with the gauges Riv uses for its country bikes like the Chev and they are still going to be overkill for what you are describing as your desire...
I'm sure based on your weight class and intended use for the bike, Grant would entertain a custom mixte with the lightest Roadeo-class tubing they use. If you want it to be a Riv, this will get you a lot closer to what you are seeking from your next bicycle. Plus you can get it in hummingbird red. Between the deposit and the final payment, you have some time to mow lawns and sell some lemonade! (Option B: get a Roadeo.)
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So I talked to Will during the Joe A frame presale. At that time he said the new Cheviot is expected June and would have V-brakes, more tire clearance. He talked me out of a Joe A. So I'm in for the new Cheviot as well. I just hope it's orange.
Tom
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Dave, my heart is warmed. I would totally mow your lawn ( though I’m at present a desert rat, I’m a born and raised North Dakotan so I know about grass!) but I would not make you lemonade. I would make instead my famous “lemon drop”, which is a brew of ginger root and honey and lemon. Good for you and pure delight.
I have not abandoned the custom idea yet - Riv is yet to decide about their Cheviot order, so I am waiting to see. If the Cheviots are too far out, I’d want to know how far out a custom would be. I don’t want to wait a year!
Ted mentioned about lifting bikes - YES, I agree, it’s different pedaling a bike and lifting one and I’d love to be lifting a lighter bike onto my rack. I can lift my long and heavy Clem, but it’s serious effort and in, say, 20 years, will I be able to? Also, I find that I lift my bikes a LOT. To turn them around at the crossing, over curbs, etc.
I’m hoping we know more soon.
Leah
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Leah,
I have to lift my Rivs up and down some curbs to get into the bike rack at work, and I occasionally put one on a hook on the wall by its front wheel if we need to save space in the garage. To be honest, I am sixty and feel I need the upper body workout :) Though my wife usually loads the bikes onto the car hitch rack.
I have to lift my Rivs up and down some curbs to get into the bike rack at work, and I occasionally put one on a hook on the wall by its front wheel if we need to save space in the garage. To be honest, I am sixty and feel I need the upper body workout :) Though my wife usually loads the bikes onto the car hitch rack.
Leah Peterson
Apr 2, 2020, 11:56:01 AM4/2/20
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I totally believe I can thank my Riv for the shapeliness of my upper arms, Dorothy!
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> Leah,
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> Leah,
> I have to lift my Rivs up and down some curbs to get into the bike rack at work, and I occasionally put one on a hook on the wall by its front wheel if we need to save space in the garage. To be honest, I am sixty and feel I need the upper body workout :) Though my wife usually loads the bikes onto the car hitch rack.
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Clayton Scott
Apr 8, 2020, 12:40:22 AM4/8/20
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Just to add to the "weight" thing. It is less about the weight but rather about the associated thickness/flexibility of the tube set used. For many people a bike built with thinner walled smaller diameter tubes will ride with less perceived exertion for a given speed than a bike of EQUAL weight built with thicker walled and larger diameter tubing.Less exertion = more speed. Again rider weight and intended purpose of bike matter. It is not all black and white and individual preferences play into this too.
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Joe Bernard
Apr 8, 2020, 1:15:12 PM4/8/20
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Did Will ever deliver a timeline for this bike?
Leah Peterson
Apr 8, 2020, 1:16:11 PM4/8/20
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Well, they think the bikes will hit the water in July. So, no one is getting a Cheviot until late August, I think.
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DHans
Apr 10, 2020, 2:44:59 PM4/10/20
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So, pre-order in June???
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Well, they think the bikes will hit the water in July. So, no one is getting a Cheviot until late August, I think.
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Leah Peterson
Apr 10, 2020, 2:46:08 PM4/10/20
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Don’t know. They’ll let us know soon, I think.
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