Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[dougP]

Plus lots of good info on trail riding.  The sorts of things that make sense but I've kinda forgotten:

https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/pre-thanksgiving

Also, Silver2 shifter is getting oh-so-close, and should be perfect for Gus Boots. 

dougP

[Daniel D.]

Really loving the recent headbadges like the roadini, gus boots, and the one with the rocket.

[Tom M]

Yeah, I liked the info on Mongol saddles and their function. Not sure Ghengis Khan is quite the tolerant ruler Grant paints him out to be, I can't find my Great Big Book of Horrible Things, but the NY Time graphic (https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2011/11/06/opinion/06atrocities_timeline.html?ref=sunday) in support of the book says that GK may have culled the world's population by 11%. Eleven percent. 

But I do dig the head badge.

--Tom

[Ed Fausto]

Good catch Joe.
The tires looks bigger than 2.25” in the picture.
I wonder what size is the Gus Boots in the picture?

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> Here's a sneak peak I found in tires.
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[William R.]

Excited about the GUS. Especially the filet brazed version. Not sure if I will be able to afford one though. Is the difference between filet brazed and TIG'ed more than aesthetic? More excited about how the new shifters are coming along. I imagine I will get two sets when they become available. Thumbies on my Appaloosa and bar ends on my Roadini. They look really nice to me.

Bill in Westchester, NY

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Nice sleuthing, Joe!

Good god that shifter looks good enough to eat.

[Collin A]

I was looking at some water bottle cages and found this little tidbit as well. Hopefully the triple boss mounts on the bottom on the downtube stick for the final version! The more bottle mounts the better (see attached photo for an attempt using those USB bolts)!

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/odds-ends/products/twofish-40oz-waterbottle-cage

Also, very interested in the shifters. Having a handlebar bag that doesn't completely squish the cables would be nice, but the modular orientation of the silver2 shifters may get the cables at an angle that allow them to avoid the handlebar bag all together.

[Tim Butterfield]

Clayton,

If the drooping top tube isn't your preference and you're making a bikepack bag for it any way, you could make the bag to fill the space _above_ the drooping top tube.  That would give you the straight top line you're looking for and more usable storage space.  Customize for your standover height as needed.  Also, the zipper could be straight along the side/top edge for easy access without anything falling out.  If you want wide open access, you could have the zipper run from the head tube to the seat post and turn down to the top tube.  If the zipper were flat along the top, it should be a fairly easy bend to run down the rear of the pack.  Cover the zipper with a canvas flap to keep the rain out.

Tim

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 2:24 PM 'clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

If I buy, I will go with the fillet, since I can’t have my lugs and light, straight tubes like on my PERFECT Toyo Atlantis. (childish stomping on the ground, whiny pouty face😫). The fillet version takes me back to the eighties, and the high end, custom mountain bikes I couldn’t afford. I can’t afford a custom lugged bikepacker for wide tires now, but I can save up for the fillet Boots (gets up to put another ten in the piggy bank). Grant designs some of the best steel bikes in the world IMHO, so I will trust in that. I like the badge, the name, the graphics and I’m wrapping my mind around the dropped top tube. What I find funny, is that once I get the bike and ride it, all my drooping top tube dislike-silliness, will vanish, and I know it. It will be another perfect bike, because I expect it to be. I expect the details I have concerns about will be cleaned up and am looking forward to hearing about it’s further development. 

I was going to make new bikepacking packs for my Atlantis this winter, but I think I’ll wait and make them for the Boots. Making the frame bag will be fun (steering my brain to like the drooped top tube 😏), but am a little stumped on how to run the zipper without things falling out, or a wrinkled curved zipper that might hang up..🤔  I’ll figure out something esthetically, to compliment the frame, hopefully. Canvas X-pac probably, depending on what color the Boots is. I am getting slightly excited. 

MY ‘Nature Bike’, perfectly executed? (I much prefer ‘Nature bike’ over Hillybike). The drooping top tube bothers me esthetically, but will really appreciate the first time I don’t rack my nuts! Another word like beausage needs to be made up for the beauty, and the ‘advantages’ of a droopy top tube, to make it more appealing (to me). Any suggestions? Mumble....thinking......I was thinking maybe, ‘Notanutter’? Sexist. Never mind. Crotchless top tube? No, underwear....Nuttergutter? I am failing badly at this....Sexist again....but crotchgutter is ugly and weird. We need to seriously work on this....”Crochcanyon?”  Getting rid of the whole crotch thing would be nice, but I keep coming up empty. 😝 Mongol saddle....hmmm...

Aha! I got it.........”The MONGOLOTUBE”!  Now that I have a name for it, and an appreciation for Grants description of the riding style of the Mongols, I am good.  Any better suggestions?  Now I need a name for the frame bag I plan on designing, for the bike I don’t have, for more help getting my brain to love the Mongolotube. 🤣  I am such a dorky bike nerd.....and the naming thing is fun, so ”The Mongolo pack”?  

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!  Love your family. 

Clayton

#dirtdancedesigns

[dougP]

Clayton:

You really DO need to go ride your bike.  Friday is "Cold Turkey Day", the day we ride our bikes to burn off those extra calories.

dougP

On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 2:24:28 PM UTC-8, Clayton wrote:

If I buy, I will go with the fillet, since I can’t have my lugs and light, straight tubes like on my PERFECT Toyo Atlantis. (childish stomping on the ground, whiny pouty face😫). The fillet version takes me back to the eighties, and the high end, custom mountain bikes I couldn’t afford. I can’t afford a custom lugged bikepacker for wide tires now, but I can save up for the fillet Boots (gets up to put another ten in the piggy bank). Grant designs some of the best steel bikes in the world IMHO, so I will trust in that. I like the badge, the name, the graphics and I’m wrapping my mind around the dropped top tube. What I find funny, is that once I get the bike and ride it, all my drooping top tube dislike-silliness, will vanish, and I know it. It will be another perfect bike, because I expect it to be. I expect the details I have concerns about will be cleaned up and am looking forward to hearing about it’s further development. 

I was going to make new bikepacking packs for my Atlantis this winter, but I think I’ll wait and make them for the Boots. Making the frame bag will be fun (steering my brain to like the drooped top tube 😏), but am a little stumped on how to run the zipper without things falling out, or a wrinkled curved zipper that might hang up..🤔  I’ll figure out something esthetically, to compliment the frame, hopefully. Canvas X-pac probably, depending on what color the Boots is. I am getting slightly excited. 

MY ‘Nature Bike’, perfectly executed? (I much prefer ‘Nature bike’ over Hillybike). The drooping top tube bothers me esthetically, but will really appreciate the first time I don’t rack my nuts! Another word like beausage needs to be made up for the beauty, and the ‘advantages’ of a droopy top tube, to make it more appealing (to me). Any suggestions? Mumble....thinking......I was thinking maybe, ‘Notanutter’? Sexist. Never mind. Crotchless top tube? No, underwear....Nuttergutter? I am failing badly at this....Sexist again....but crotchgutter is ugly and weird. We need to seriously work on this....”Crochcanyon?”  Getting rid of the whole crotch thing would be nice, but I keep coming up empty. 😝 Mongol saddle....hmmm...

Aha! I got it.........”The MONGOLOTUBE”!  Now that I have a name for it, and an appreciation for Grants description of the riding style of the Mongols, I am good.  Any better suggestions?  Now I need a name for the frame bag I plan on designing, for the bike I don’t have, for more help getting my brain to love the Mongolotube. 🤣  I am such a dorky bike nerd.....and the naming thing is fun, so ”The Mongolo pack”?  

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!  Love your family. 

Clayton

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On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 12:41 PM, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

The TIGed v. filleted price points of $900 and $1600 are interesting..I'm glad to hear one of them will be in the Clem/Roadini range. I can't see myself popping for the pricier option to get fillets on a 'bash it around in the dirt' bike, but $900? Yep, I'm probably buying that.

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On Thursday, November 22, 2018, 6:51 PM, dougP <doug...@gmail.com> wrote:

Clayton:

You really DO need to go ride your bike.  Friday is "Cold Turkey Day", the day we ride our bikes to burn off those extra calories.

dougP

You’re correct Doug. Lol....No cabin fever here.....None whatsoever.  😂 Boots bags attached. 

Clayton 

[clayton bailey]

Clayton 

[dougP]

Voting for the "within the frame" bag and the "behind the seat tube" bag.  Those spaces just call for baggage.  Well thought out. 

dougP

[Garth]

Clayton,   Have you asked Grant about the bike you describe being a custom build and were turned down, or is your "disappointment" over a production frame that they do not make ?  What difference does it make whether it's a production or custom ? (Dollars is no excuse when it comes to a "dream" )  

On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 2:33:43 PM UTC-5, Clayton wrote:

To be clear, I wanted a lugged, light, straight tubed, just like my Atlantis, but with bigger tire clearance and triple mounts galore. I have dreamt of ‘my’ Rivendell bikepacker for over a decade, and have held out buying a dedicated bikepacker, waiting for Riv to make one. The Boots is not what I dreamt of, so I am very disappointed. My opinions stemmed from that disappointment. It probably is going to be an awesome bike.

[Clayton]

Hi Garth,

Custom frames are not available from Riv, at least on their website. A full custom lugged would be out of my budget. Whatever I get, it’s likely to be my last bike, as I am getting creaky and according to my family history, I’ll be dead in twenty years. I am sure I’ll not be able to ride in another ten or so.

So this is a very important purchase! Probably my most important, as I’m not rich. I have been saving up.

I don’t understand how buying a bike can be so obsessive and stressful. I can’t blame PTSD for this one. I am a Rivendelian, and want to stay with the tribe, but maybe this bike just isn’t for me.

Tim, Thank you!

Clayton

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/23/18 11:56 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Hi Garth,

Custom frames are not available from Riv, at least on their website.  

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/custom-framesets  but listed as currently "out of stock".  However, "Made to order. Call 800 345 3918 or email ma...@rivbike.com" if you're interested.  It does stand to reason that custom frames wouldn't be "in stock" as that would defeat the purpose of "custom".

A full custom lugged would be out of my budget.  Whatever I get, it’s likely to be my last bike, as I am getting creaky and according to my family history, I’ll be dead in twenty years. I am sure I’ll not be able to ride in another ten or so. 

Well, according to my family history, I should have died 13 years ago.  As for being sure you won't be able to ride in another 10 years - I hardly know what to say.  That attitude will go a long way towards making sure it's so.  No idea how old you actually are, but if you're planning to drop dead at 90, that would make you 70 now.  I and many, if not most, of the folks I ride with are well over 70.  2018 was a bad year weather-wise, and my mileage is way off from last year; instead of  just missing 11,000 as was the case in 1017, I think I'm going to finish 2018 with only 9,000.  

So this is a very important purchase!  Probably my most important, as I’m not rich. I have been saving up. 

I don’t understand how buying a bike can be so obsessive and stressful. I can’t blame PTSD for this one. I am a Rivendelian, and want to stay with the tribe, but maybe this bike just isn’t for me.

Tim, Thank you!

Clayton

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[Patrick Moore]

I like it!

And, I wasn't annoyed by Clayton's post or posts, either, for the record. 

[Patrick Moore]

C'mon, Joe, take it easy. Clayton is alright.

I'll buy you a drink or 3.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:57 PM Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

It's the title of a Joe Walsh album (he and I are both sober, too), you started this day insulting Grant, and that weird post about toptubes was offensive. Happy Thanksgiving.

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[Doug H.]

I am wondering what are the main differences between the upcoming Gus and the Clem L?
Doug

[Eric Daume]

Controlling the message is bad? It’s something most companies try to do, to one extent or another, whether it’s thru advertising, social media, or publishing your own magazine, or a Blug post. 

I reread Clayton’s original post, and I don’t see anything offensive about it.  He says he was disappointed about the direction this frame took, and expressed what he would rather have. It’s OK to have a different viewpoint from Riv. 

Eric

On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joe Bernard <joer...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm not going to "take it easy", and as long as people keep pushing back on me I'm going to keep responding. The stuff accusing Grant of "controlling the message" was out of line - especially on a thankfulness holiday - and the extended rant about toptubes and the parts of the anatomy they can conflict with was just creepy and weird.

So you can accept my opinion on the subjects or you can keep telling me to "relax Joe" and "take it easy." I can do this all day but I'd rather not.

[Mark in Beacon]

Hey people! Howabout that head badge though? First one ever in world history to feature a mouth organ, from what I gather. Cool.

[Doug H.]

I agree completely with Grant’s assertion that full suspension mountain bikes are not for casual riding. I’m glad he’s designing a practical off road bicycle.
Doug

[Daniel D.]

 I prefer mouth harp.

[Philip Williamson]

Well that was a terrible interlude, affecting people not actually on the internet (much) today. Thanks Garth for the Tom & Jerry (& Butch?) mayhem.
I’m sorry to see Clayton go.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA