Lack Of Jack (Greens) - Need some tire options feedback

[Cyclofiend Jim]

I've been running Jack Brown Greens since they came out on my Hilsen and Quickbeam.

The 33 1/3 size has been great - keeps me alert on the trails and happy on smooth stuff. I don't feel the need to go to a larger volume tire, but have the frame clearance to add a bit if that's necessary.

JB (Greens) have been non-existent on the Rivbike site for a while, and I finally ground my last one down to the threads. My Hilsen is shoeless until I deal with this...

So, I've been looking at the Soma Shikoro, which sound very JB-ish. However, the text says they run a bit narrow than stated, so I'm considering going from 33 to the 38 to have the JB cushiness.
https://www.rivbike.com/products/soma-shikoro-tires

then I just noticed the Hutchinson Caracals - 
https://www.rivbike.com/products/hutchinson-caracal-tires-700c
which may be closer to what I'm used to, size-wise. Reckon I'd get the 35's. 
And any tire that Mark uses is a major plus in my book... 

While I don't feel I need the knobs, they do remind me of some of the CX tires I used to run. (I'm around 185#'s and ride fairly light on most days). To be used on Bay Area roads, trails, singletrack, and fire roads. 

Has anyone used these and feel like sharing their experiences? 

Thanks in advance. 

Jim

[Jeff Bogdanovich]

Here are some at Bluelug:

https://global.bluelug.com/rivendell-jack-brown-tire-green-label.html

Jeff

[Patrick Moore]

I’ve been very happy with my RH Stampede Passes (ELs) which measure a true 32 mm on my 24 mm OW Velocity rims, and I’d not hesitate to ride them on firm dirt or grave.

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[Patrick Moore]

Let me change the conditional mood to the indicative past: I did not hesitate to ride them on firm dirt or gravel.

[Jason Fuller]

At one time, the Jack Browns were among a pretty small number of candidate tires in this size, but today there is so much variety available.  Some of the knobby options are remarkably quick and quiet as well, though not as quiet as slicks of course. For example the Schwalble G-One Allround comes in 622x35 and as far as I know they run a smidge small, so probably right on the money. They are impressively quick, and grippy on the looser stuff. I'm also a fan of the Rene Herse offerings, though I tend to stick to the Endurance casing these days for peace of mind.  I found the Shikoro to ride a little less supple, but they have a thicker tread than the RH so will probably last a long time. 

No experience with the Hutchinson but they do look like a pretty good middle ground, perhaps just enough side tread to make them slide a little more predictably, if you find yourself in that predicament. I'd be curious to hear how they are! 

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Thanks Jason - I appreciate the direct experience with the Shikoro. 

Yeah - we live in a time of riches for chubby road-ish tires these days. I do tend to like the smoother sound of slicks, which is why that center tread caught my eye. I'm pretty used to their performance on trails as well. 

[Nick Payne]

I've been riding Continental GP Urban 35mm for several years, and they ride nicely and last pretty well. After a few weeks in use, they stretch out to almost exactly 35mm wide on the Light Bicycle AR28 (22mm internal width) rims I have them mounted on.

https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-grand-prix-urban

Nick Payne

[Drew Fitchette]

I’ll second Jason’s mention about of the G-one’s. I’ve not found a better tire for my riding on mixed surfaces and have run them on two different bikes now. They kind of do what I wanted the RH knobbies to do. 

Also curious about the Hutchinson tires, and would love to hear reviews if anyone on the list gets some!

[Jim in Mpls]

Jack Brown Greens are available from Soma-https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/45586-rivendell-tire-jack-brown-green-700x33-3-kv-3622?category=256#attr=

Jim

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Ha... hadn't looked there. Interesting. Thanks!

Still hoping for some feedback on the two models in the original post. 

J

[Will Boericke]

I'm shocked that nobody has suggested what (to me) is the obvious solution to any tire need: Panaracer Gravelking slick.  Rolls well, available in a seemingly infinite number of sizes (I have 28, 32, 35, 38, 43 in my stable), relatively inexpensive.  Hard to beat, in my book.

Will

[Ted W]

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I will second the vote for GK Slicks with two caveats. I ran 700x38mm slicks on my commuter and they lasted about 6 months (~2500 miles). While they lasted, they were fantastic but they did wear a bit quickly (not unexpected for this tire, just good to know) and I would not run them with tubes (they are prone to pin-hole punctures). You could probably get about 3000 miles out of the rear tire and likely 4000-5000 out of the front tire if you rotate it to the back when replacing the rear. As the rear tire gets thinner in the middle it becomes more and more prone to pin-hole punctures and begins to seal less reliably.

I run my commuter tubeless due to the myriad of small hazards that come with riding in the city and I tend to prioritize how well a tire seals over most other factors and found that the GKs generally seal the best of any tire I've used when used with Orange Seal sealant.

All that said, I wanted to also throw out there another recommendation. I recently swapped from 700x38 GK Slicks to 700x45 GK SS tires. I believe the SS feel like they roll _somewhat_ slower than the slicks but since I also went from 38mm to 45mm it could easily just be that or even just a perception due to the added volume. 

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[Roberta]

I guess I "third" the GKing slicks.  I have them on two of my Homer Hilsen and Betty Foy (and on one Riv I sold, an Appaloosa) and LOVE them.  Platypus now is sporting another GK, I think the SS, which I don't like as much, but I wanted one bike with tire that had a "bite."  The Hilsen had the panaracer pacelas originally, but I like the slicks so much better.

I've gone thru one pair after a few years, but cannot tell you the milage.  I do run them tubeless and changed them when I started seeing orange weep holes in the tire.  I probably could have gotten many more miles, but seeing as I have tubeless because I dislike flats, I changed them out before I ever had a flat.  

Roberta

[Armand Kizirian]

Some for sale here! (Not affiliated) https://theradavist.com/bazaar/item/Ny0aYaPMnKjNVhMUspfH

[Isaak Oliansky]

That's me selling those tires :) Thanks Armand. $5 off to a RBWOB'er.