Good quality fixed/free ss rear hubs with QR?

[PATRICK MOORE]

I've got a Surley on the Riv commuter and adjusting bearing tension
has always been problematical; better since I re-swapped the QR axle
for a solid one, but still hard to find that elusive spot between play
and binding. I've not had this problem with any other rear hub, QR or
solid.

Beside Phil, can anyone recommend a QR compatible (or adaptable) rear
fixed/free hub in either 126 or 130 OL? You Quickbeam and SimpleOne
owners ought to have some ideas, no?

Thanks.

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[Jeremy Till]

I've been through the exactly same search; I was looking for a less than top-end track hub that could take QR for a commuter.  Unfortunately most mid-range hubs are going with cartridge bearings these days, and to avoid the adjustment problems (I've had them too) of the Surly design you need some kind of special axle that has shoulders on the inside of the bearings (this is how the Formula track hubs that are often re-branded do it, and they're great), so just swapping out axles like you would do on a cup and cone hub won't work.  Aside from Phil and Paul which offer special QR axles, the high-end hubs which use cup and cone (DA and Campy) could have an axle swap performed. 

That's my assessment; if anybody has found another option I'd be glad to hear.  Suzue is putting out a cartridge version of the ProMax again, but I don't know what the axle looks like and if it would be swappable. 

[Jim M.]

The QB and SO are both 120 spaced at the rear. The original QB hub
with quick release was made for Riv by Suzue. It was a free/free flip
flop, though I fixed mine with a BB lock ring and some loctite. I
think the SO hub might be a free/fix but it is 120. I've also used
White Industries hubs. They don't have quick release but they bolt on
with an allen wrench. In field testing, I haven't found bolt-on hubs
to be that significantly slower than quick release.

[EricP]

Been using an All City hub. Didn't have a problem with it last year
and about 500 or so miles. (The bike it is on switches between single
speed and 1x8 or 9). Jim Thill at Hiawatha suggested it as a more
reliable model than the Surly. And the price is about the same.
Comes as a bolt on, but with hollow axle for quick release conversion
(which I did on mine.)

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

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[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks all for the information. Eric: I assume you've had no problem
with bearing tension after the swap to the QR axle?

The price certainly looks good.

Jim: care to comment on QR conversion of this hub and comparison with Surley?

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[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

The bearing tension isn't adjustable with cartridge bearings. The Surly hubs have a shoulderless axle, just like an old-fashioned cup-cone type hub. For lack of a better term, the "cone" that bottoms out on the bearing can self-tighten and destroy the bearing in short order. The formula and all-city hubs have a shoulder on the axle that supports the bearings from the inside, which makes the destructive self-tightening impossible.

[PATRICK MOORE]

Aha -- The old shoulder ploy. I will look out for a Formula (they make
City?) hub for the next build -- even if I can't get a QR axle for it.

Thanks.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
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> The bearing tension isn't adjustable with cartridge bearings. The Surly hubs have a shoulderless axle, just like an old-fashioned cup-cone type hub. For lack of a better term, the "cone" that bottoms out on the bearing can self-tighten and destroy the bearing in short order. The formula and all-city hubs have a shoulder on the axle that supports the bearings from the inside, which makes the destructive self-tightening impossible.
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[Jeremy Till]

It seems someone is listening, as I saw this on the surly blog today--Surly is upgrading the axle system in their hubs:

http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/were_going_to_sex_you_up_hub_style

The relevant part: "The brand new guts feature NON-adjustable 6901 bearings on a shouldered cro-moly axle. Every hub comes ready to run as a quick release or a bolt-on using the supplied grade 10.9 stainless M6 bolts."

So, this looks like exactly the solution we were talking about, a QR-able, sealed bearing track hub that avoids the adjustment issues with previous surly hubs.  I'll probably be putting these into consideration for the upcoming Quickbeam build, assuming they still make them in silver with 120mm spacing and they're available by the time I'm ready to do a wheel build for that bike.

A cool thing is that if you have already have a surly hub, the hub shell is exactly the same as the new ones so you can just swap in the new axle. 

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks very much for this; it was I who inquired about a QR fixed rear hub. It's great that the new axle will fit into my existing hub. This will be my next bike project/upgrade. Even the M6s, if not quite as good as a QR, will at least allow me to use the Park T-bone wrench and not have to carry a 15 mm hex -- the front wheel (SON) already uses an allen key skewer.

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